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Juking a defender out of his shoes will now be refferred to as "Millering" while kneeling with your elbow on your knee and fist up to your forehead is "Tebowing".

If Braxton Miller and the Buckeyes win a title in 2013 and 2014, the people getting credit will be Braxton Miller and Urban Meyer.  To be sure you may here some stories about Tebow mentoring Braxton, but the plays Braxton makes on the field and the wins he racks up will have nothing to do with Tebow. 

I think Braxton will get to learn plenty about actual QB'ing from the coaches surrounding him and film study in the spring, off season, and fall camp.  Hard work, study, and repetition are what will make him a better passer, but you can't practice being a leader. 

I don't know how much attention it'll really bring.  I mean the Tebow interview the other day was the first anyone had ever heard of him talking with Braxton and all that.  He may just come for a few days this winter and work out with Braxton and that will be it.  The extent of it will be a segment on Game Day or something like that. 

mental part, maybe,

mechanical part, thanx but no thanx.

I just worry that Braxton might come out throwing left handed ground balls if he works with Tebow.

Miller getting together with Tebow will help mostly with film and vision bc lets face it no one ran Urbans offense more effectively and efficiently as Tebow. Timmy can show the nuances of the system from a fresh set of eyes to Brax something that can only help. It will also help if its a week thing and Brax learns how Tim approaches his trade from both a physical and mental standpoint this will absolutely be great for all parties involved.

@BTALBERT  Sorry for the down vote.  Hopefully someone will counter.

Yeah I think it's cool. Get any Tebow visiblity associated with OSU instead of Florida, keeps everyone thinking/talking about us. Recruits notice that.

Tebow seems like a good mentor. Hard worker, good leader, been through the CFB pressure cooker and come out on top. And let's be honest...they both need work on fundamentals. Herman can coach them both up. Video of Tebow and Miller working out together seems like nothing but positive press for us.

^ Disagree.  You don't become a leader just from being around a guy like Tebow.  Besides, I'm not sure I want to huge publicity that follows Tebow around everytime he brushes his teeth.  Braxton will develop into a great leader through experience.

Well, at least we'll hear Braxton's name a lot on Cowherd's show.

If there is any former college QB mentoring Braxton, it should be Troy Smith

Fair or not, Tebow is considered the most overrated and kind of a joke in the NFL... and more of us on EW would all be joking about this ourselves if this story was about any other college QB being mentored by Tebow. You can't teach intestinal fortitude and passion (Tebow's best attributes) so I don't know how much advice/info Tebow could help on top of what Braxton can get from Urban and all the former Ohio State players still around the program.

Let's take a look at all the downsides to this scenario. 1. Tebow is really sound morally and ethically. 2. He's one of the all time great college football players. 3. Work ethic is off the charts. The list goes on and on. Who in their right mind would want this kind of person associated with their program? It's not like intensity or emotion can be contagious at the college level. Besides,  we all have much more insight into this than Urban. Ban Tebow from Campus now!!!

I'm with Cajun, it would be a horrible move to have such a loser come in and spend time with Brax.  Some of those attributes Cajun mentioned might rub off on some of our guys.  We just can't have that now, can we?

This could be nothing but positive...

I would prefer he would stay away from Brax but that is just me.  

Arrgogance? Self promotion? Again... please elaborate. Those are the lies I am talking about...

So excitement and faith. You have to WANT to make that into something it is not. He has been nothing but above reproach. Detroit, it's balogna, and I can't respect that opinion.

Personal gain? Yeah?

It's crazy, I don't think I've ever seen a more polarizing figure in sports! I haven't followed Tebows' career that closely. You couldn't help but follow him in college, he was on the cover of everything. What I do know, everyone said he wouldn't be a QB in the NFL. D Anthony says that he's a joke and the most over rated player in the game. I won't disagree, but I will say he was a first round pick, as a QB, and he's still in the league. I think it's all been from hard work and effort. I've listened to him speak publicly and I liked what i heard. I think he's an excellent role model for young men today. This is a touchy subject, which none of us have any say in. So, let's not beat one another up over something that's up to Urban, Braxton, and Tim

By Tebowing, do you mean bowing down and praying on the field?

I love it. It will piss off legions of Gator fans - how could that be bad? (I keed.) A friend of mine who is a Gator says if Tebow does that they (University of Florida) should remove the plaque of "the speech" from Florida Field.

D. Anthony, no need brother, I was just using your post to show a little contrast. I think it's pretty amazing that Timmy still has the title of QB in the NFL. As far as Tebow coming to tOSU to mentor and work-out. With what Urban has done with this team this year, if he said he was bringing trained lion's in to teach the players to eat lunch, I would be on board.

I don't know why people bring up how Tebow has done in the NFL when talking about mentoring Braxton. We are talking about College football here. Tebow was great in Meyer's offense and having him mentor Miller would help Miller in the offense even more. Plus Tebow is a great leader that can show Miller what being a great leader means.

Tebow doesn't scream "attention whore" to me - it seems to me like he is just being himself, regardless of what other people think.  The sports media just seems to love this guy for whatever reason (and he is a good guy - there are reasons to like him).  As far as being a mentor for Braxton, that's a good brain to pick in terms of leadership and intangibles like that.  I don't want Tebow helping Brax with his throwing mechanics, though...lol

wow...well said Joshy.

To me it's a no-brainer. Your elite head coach has personal access to arguably THE most successfull QB in the history of college football & probably knows the guy better than anybody.

Couple that with the fact that Tebow is indeed a great role model & although he may not be the best QB mechanically - I can't think of a better example of a kid who is HARD WORKER, DISCIPLINED, DRIVEN, AMBITIOUS, DEDICATED & does the right things. Certianly it can't hurt...it will only help. Anybody saying otherwise just doesn't get it or let's their Tebow hatred get in the way. Instead, feel fortunate that your favorite team has close pesronal access to this great role model. There's something Urban sees in Tim that he can pass on to Braxton - maybe it's work ethic, discipline, or how to handle the press & attention surrounding him, (next season Braxton will be the Heisman favorite), so...AGAIN - trust Urban on this one, per usual.

Detroit, the only real downvoting you got was when you started calling him a d-bag and tool. You are not only taking your opinion too far, you are attacking someone you really cannot even speak the way you have about because you don't even know him. You took your "well I am not sure I think he is genious" statements to "he is a liar and just out to get rich and scam people." That isn't just an opinion anymore, it is a blantent attempt to smear his image with no facts or proof.

If you notice, I stand up for the rectruits that get treated like this as well. When people call them drama queens because they can't pick a school and we are reading into what school they are going to by how many times they poop in a day. We make the recruits and players into what we want to see, not the other way around.

You fit meaning behind his actions (make them up) based off of NOTHING and then act like people should respect it. It's nonsense and BS. It is a completely disrespectful thing to do and in no way should anyone feel the need to believe the worst about someone they know nothing about but what some 4th party person decides to write in their blog. It's immature and pathetic IMO.

I call out those who do it to them as well, others being jerks isn't a good defense. You think he should or shouldn't do something, therefore instead of saying you don't like what he does... you instead assign him malintent and say he is doing it to make money. There is no logical connection there, you are taking your opinion that you don;t like what he is doing and making him out to be a bad person. I hope you can see the difference... someday.

we always say in urban we trust. well ask urban and urban will tell you that TT is a great person not just a great football player... for the ppl who say he is an awful nfl qb keep in mind peyton has lost as many games a TT did last yr with the same team. Id like to meet the guy that says peyton is a shitty qb. Furthermore, what he did when everyone in his own organization (john elway) was against him was nothing short of magical.

@Pam

How many national championships does Troy Smith have?  How many does Tebow have (and with whom as a coach)?

I LOVE Troy Smith, and LOVE that he's a Buckeye.  I would take EITHER Tebow or Smith as a mentor to Braxton (if he even needs one).  But, IMHO, your statement is a little exclusive given Tebow's resume.  AGain, love Troy.  But Tebow is as good or better as far as role models or possible mentors.

No, your opinion saying that because he is an NFL player that he then shouldn't stand up for what he believes in has no logical connection because you have failed to give a reason why an NFL QB can't do that. It's silly... you have taken something you personally don't like people doing at all an then attributing a negative personality as to why he does it with NO basis for such a claim.

If he is against killing babies before they are born (pro-life), what does him being a NFL player have to do with him being able to speak out against it? You can't even give a good reason for that let alone then make the GIANT leap as to why then he is only doing it to make money. It's a malicious nonsensical way of justifying your own views on the subject instead of basing your opinion on something of substance.

@ DETROIT BUCKEYE

1.) STEENSN is right - I don't why you're sooo sensitive about a professional athlete standing up for what he believes. Do you think it's wrong that Falcons TE Tony Gonzales appears in advertisements for PETA? Or is that ok because you (hypothetically) agree with it? What if an NFL player came out for killing babies - would that be ok because you're pro choice?

2.) Thank God your mom didn't have an abortion. Think about that one for a minute.

3.) Tell us where Tim Tebow told women "what she can or can't do". You're waaaaay off base there, pal. That Super Bowl commercial a few years back was just basically saying he was glad his mother didn't have an abortion - it wasn't some "in your face"/"you have to do x, y, or z" kind of ad. Get a clue.

4.) I think you've been to one too many political rallies where you're buying the horsesh*t the Chicago machine party has been serving. Again, quit letting your preconceived bias against somebody's believes get in the way of common sense. It's pretty clear your hatred for Tebow is blinding your common sense. You're a hater. Plain & simple.

 ahhhh, hey DETROIT, when you say:

 "if my  mom could not support me and she chose to have an abortion I would understand..."

If that were the case - you're aware you wouldn't be here right now, on this earth, typing away. You get that, right?

Wow.

Guys, this is a football forum. Please keep your religious/political views off of this site. We are all buckeyes here, this is a place where we come to get away from the real world of fighting over politics (Lord knows people are crazy about the right now). No offense to any of you, but I come here to talk about the college I love and attend, The Ohio State University. If you want to talk about your beliefs, please take it elsewhere.

Bam, we finally got down to it. It has NOTHING to do with his status in the NFL or the fact he stands up for what he believes in... it is that you disagree with his STANCES. You opinion that he would be a bad influence on Braxton is then no based on anything of substance, just that you don't agree with his beliefs. You don't want him convincing Braxton of his stances because you disagree with them. Therefore, you have admitted that it has nothing to do with his "arrogance" or anything else you started with, it actually has nothing to do with football or personality. It comes down to politics and religion... as I expected from the start.

Triv, we were talking about whether he would be a good influence on Braxton and we finally found out it was political instead of based on real substantial reasons. We SHOULD be able to move on now that we know this.

Thank you william the point I was trying to make originally, some people just get so offended.  Btw I was asked a question by Cajun Buckeye and I answered it.

No one here is "bashing" Tebow. People are pointing out that he is not all he is made out to be. Honestly I could care less if Braxton is all fired up like Tebow during/before/after a game. Don't actions speak louder than words? If he's out there winning games, which is he, who cares if he is some "vocal leader" like Tebow? And what is all this BS about him infusing Braxton with work ethic? So you're telling me Braxton doesn't have a great work ethic, or is it at times lax in his competitiveness? Come on folks, if you buy into everything that ESPN tells us about him, or some special on TV does, then you're consuming such fodder like sheep. 

TL;DR: I don't care if Tebow mentors him or not, I'd just like for Miller to succeed and win us some games. Do I think having Tebow around Miller would be detrimental? No, but I don't see it making much of a difference either. 

WILLIAM:  ...I mean talk about absolute racism perpetrated by the whole White Man's Burden ideology/bullshit.

WTF, man --- ahh, what are you talking about? I'm starting to question your sanity. We are all now dumber for having read that William. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

p.s. Now I know why you said you weren't impressed with Kirk Cousins awhile back. Cousins is a great QB, but I think you just can't stand that he's a Christian.

William - we get it, guy! You hate Christians. You & your other blackheart buddy DETROIT.

Get over yourself.

Man, there might not be a more incorrectly used word in all of sports than "Intangibles". It always cracks me up when people say "His intangibles are off the charts!"....which is dumb because charts measure things while intangibles are things that can't measured.

In the same vein, Tim Tebow can't help Braxton improve his intangibles because in order to improve something, one needs to be able to measure something to therefore understand the growth or loss of said value. And again there's the rub. An intangible can't be measured and therefore can't be improved upon.

I'm with William in the sense that I don't care if Braxton is a screamy, find the camera kind of guy that Tim Tebow is. Like (s)Cam Newton, Tebow is incredibly aware of when the camera is on him and gives the masses exactly what they want to see-screamy, grindy white dude firing up his troops. You don't need that to be a leader. You need to produce and let the offense know who is in charge. Tom Brady has exactly one fiery exchange with a coach on the sidelines that I can think of-but do you think anyone in that New England locker room\huddle questions him as a leader? I don't need fiery and screamy-it has no impact on the grand scheme of a team. Arguably the greatest 'leader' in the huddle in NFL history was Joe Montana and his players would tell stories about him telling jokes in the huddle before crucial plays.

Save the yellie, screamy crap for someone else. That's all Tebow really does for me as a 'leader'. He was a huge part of Florida's success too but its real easy to lead when you are controlling an offense loaded with NFL talent too.

I'm cool with Braxton fixing his TANGIBLE things. Better footwork, better touch on his passes, better handle on when to run to make a play and when to use your feet to set up a bigger pass. If there is a guy that Brax can learn from its the not so fiery Troy Smith. When the switch flipped in Troy's game from runner who can throw to thrower who can move, defense across the nation were torn a new one. When Brax makes THAT switch, look out. Save the screaming for someone else.

My Father told me a long long time ago that hard work is the best marketing tool you could ever have, because of hard work you became who you were meant to be. I think TT is a product (mostly) of hard work and being genuine. (totally) Does he promote himself? Absolutely! But truthfully I think any of us who would be fortunate to be in his position would do the same thing.  Is it his fault the media hangs on everything he does and says? I think in a world of thugs and wanna be thugs ,which there are plenty of especially in the NFL or any sport for that matter, any contrasting opinion is gonna get a lot of play. I also think winning 2 National Championships with a charismatic coach can't help but to get him noticed. Lastly, I think there is a slight jealousy factor going on here with some of you.

Now as far as TT being a mentor for Brax, I think all that means is that Brax is gonna get some pointers and some advice as to how to manage the hype machine and how to manage a possible National Championship game down the road. What I don't think it is is TT telling Brax he needs to be a christian or anything like that. For I know Brax might already be a christian. I don't know him so I can't say.

I think all that means is that Brax is gonna get some pointers and some advice as to how to manage the hype machine and how to manage a possible National Championship game down the road

See now that makes perfect sense. If that's the sort of thing Tebow tells him about, I'm ok with it-Few people might be more qualified to help someone else deal with hype than Tebow. I take issue with the notion that Brax will become some sort of battle hardened general who people will follow into hell-as if he's not already a leader as it is. Fiery isn't for everyone and Brax by all accounts seems to be a laid back dude. He gets amped from time to time (evident in his not so guided missile throws) but once he settles his nerves, his calm, quiet demeanor will serve OSU just fine. Screamy worked for Florida-as most gator fans have his speech from the OU game on repeat at their homes. Screamy doesn't work for everyone

TT ran Urban's offense perfectly... it can only be good for him the mentor him in this offense. TT is going to be much closer to the style of Braxton than Alex S. We all know that Braxton, while he has gotten WAY better, misses reads on the hand-off vs keep vs ???. Tebow did that masterfully, and with Braxton's skillset, he'd be unstoppable. Tebow may not be a good NFL QB, but he sure was one of the best college QB of all times and he knows how to run what Braxton is being asked to do more than better than anyone.

Regarding his leadership, clearly Urban is enamored with TT's leadership and work ethic because he references it all the time. Everyone has their own style, but he clearly favors TT's. I'd take Meyer's personal recommendation on his leadership skills over any of the backseat commentators on the internet regarding this.

@ WILLIAM

Also Cousins is/was a mediocre QB at best. 
 

William, I completely disagree with you on the impact of missionaries, and that you weren't bashing Christians & your feelings about Tebow, but, since this is a FOOTBALL/sports-related website, I'll critique your Kirk Cousins criticism.

You don't know football if you think he was a "mediocre at best QB". You're just flat out wrong. Look at MSU without him this year, it's not just his ability but his leadership, too. You're just wrong.

For those of you who feel Troy Smith would be a better mentor than TT I ask you this.

How can a qb who never ran the kind of offense Urban runs teach another qb how to run it?

That would the blind leading the slightly seeing

Cousins was spectacular at Michigan State, probably Msu's best qb in school history.  He was also probably the best qb in the big ten during his time at msu.

Honestly, I don't understand the big deal with this. I think people are making this into something it's not. I doubt Tebow is gonna run a freakin' QB camp with Miller. From what I read, it didn't sound like much more than a hangout-workout and talk about football kind of relationship. 

brewsters your arm punting comment holds no clout for tim tebow as referenced with the data above

Tebow could help Brax with leadership and intensity, but thats about it. Brax has a better arm, better mechanics and it's not even close in the rushing category.