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Revenue from NYC/DC cable markets will generate enough cash to subsidize inclusion of OK ST and TX TECH, should OU and TX demand.
So you want to get up to 18 teams?!?
that would be intense... if 18 teams is what you are suggesting
18 teams? try making a schedule out of that? round robin in the divisions , 2 games with the other division. plus 2 ooc? or maybe 3 six team divisions?
No way should we cave to UT demands. Ok State, Tx Tech are inferior schools with lack of tradition and small, crappy stadiums.
Pac 10 made mistake of trying to please UT and were left with the dregs of Utah and Colorado. Let 'em play Tx Tech and Okie State and Kansas every year and still find a way to lose with the best recruits in the nation
Id love to have OU and Texas but I'm not sure I like a 18 team conference. Not to mention OSU would play each team like once every 5 years or something crazy.
14 teams is enough. Big XII wants to add 2 more so they can get their conference championship game back. Let them add someone else mediocre.
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever
we will absolutely be at 16. Not 18, not 14, when we renegotiate in 2017.
here's a google map of all the division 1-a schools
big ten expansion members have been clearly connected geographically. for that reason I would rule out texas / texas tech. IMO I would assume they're taking this step-wise to 16 teams (not 18, this is the first time I've heard that even mentioned).
based on the map, assuming good academics and geographic connectedness...I'd say good candidates for the next two spots would be:
higher likelihood (aau members)
missouri (aau member, but sec)
louisville (non-aau member)
west virginia (non-aau member)
georgia tech (distance from big ten members)
kansas state (non-aau member)
syracuse (non-aau member)
Forget Iowa State, Kansas, and Pittsburgh. They just don't offer the money. None of them bring anything, dollar-wise. It is pointless to add Iowa State or Kansas because the BTN already gets the subscription money from those states for Iowa and PSU. Once BTN is on basic cable in a state, viewership isnt really relevant and adding another team doesn't help. Kansas just isnt a big enough market.
The big wish is ND/Texas. Failing both those schools, the backup is Georgia Tech and one of them. If that can't happen, UNC is the longshot.
I really think you can shorten your list to those four: Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, UNC. They're the only ones with sufficient money at stake. Arguably Virginia could be in the mix if UNC is a fail.
well the list was based on the assumption that the big ten will continue it's 100% historic trend of only adding schools connected geographically...notre dame will not join fwiw
Agree with CPLUNK.
Maryland and Rutgers barely palatable
I like N Dame best, then Syracuse and BC.
G Tech/UNC/UVA palatable but makes Big 10 look like desperate whores
Louisville/WVA/KState are ABSOLUTELY AWEFUL
syracuse and bc have no football support. none. notre dame won't join.
Delaney wants to expand down south. We aren't ruling out GT/Texas/etc because of the geography.
PLEASE don't bring Texas into our conferance! I despise the T-sips! If you guys think Michigan fans are bad, wait till you have to deal with UT fans!
And Ok State's stadium is NOT a crappy stadium! T Boone Pickens put a crap load of money into that stadium and it's really nice! Texas Tech's stadium isn't as nice but it's not a bad stadium by any means.
I agree with the premise that this is just a move to get to 16 teams. I don't see Delaney staying put. As I've heard various say this multiple times today, Delaney is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. I think Rutgers and Maryland are small moves to set up the big move. Who that will be will be seen and is completely speculation. Based on what we know, though, I think there are teams you can cross out.
First, cross of Pittsburgh, West Virginia, and Syracuse. Those teams just paid well over $25 million to leave the Big East to join the ACC and Big 12 and I doubt they're going to want to pay the exit fees (I believe $50 million for the ACC) and they don't bring any added revenue in terms of markets or enough athletically to make it worthwhile. So do Pitt and 'Cuse spend $77 million to jump around conferense? I don't think they do from a financial point. Louisville also falls into that market issue, but to a lesser extent. I just don't see us going for Louisville. Add in the fact that 3 of the 4 schools mentioned in this paragraph are not AAU members and that just eliminates the whole lot of them.
Second, you can rule out Oklahoma, and essentially Oklahoma St. as well, since OU is such a subpar academic institution (compared to those in the B1G at least). They won't really be much of a thought. And since the sentiment is that Oklahoma won't go anywhere without Ok. St., you can just rule them out too. It's intriguing given their history, but academically it does not fit and that will end any chance of that.
Third, I think bridges have been burned with ND...whether it was the B1G or ND or a combination of both. If getting into these markets was necessary for us to get ND, that would've happened a few months ago, or at least prior to ND signing a deal with the ACC. They've burned us and I think the sentiment on the B1G's end is to hell with them at this point.
Now the remaining schools that we can bring in are vast, so I won't go into it. But I think the move to get Rutgers and Maryland is essentially the B1G driving a wedge into the geographics of the ACC. In my opinion, I think this sets us up to go after UNC, Virginia, or Georgia Tech. With those 3 teams, UNC is the key cog. If UNC comes aboard, Ga Tech seems more reasonable and likely as they bring solid academics and more tradition in terms of athletics PLUS a footprint into the south for recruiting purposes. Again, this is all a guess, but it's kind of how I've been seeing it.
Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, Pitt, and West Virginia do not correlate the values and principles the Big Ten is looking for. Rule them out. I'd rule out Syracuse too... with Rutgers they aren't really a necessity and just overkill at that point.
Unky, your post makes a lot more sense than any other ideas being bantered around. Teams just can't jump from conference to conference with all of the exit fees that need to be paid. And, above all, the institutions must meet the academic standards of the B1G. I know many fans just want their "dream conference" based on what football teams they would like to see play every weekend. The reality is that the B1G demands academic and athletic standards that few schools can meet (each school has to bring both to the table). Also, the B1G revenue sharing model does not provide for a big fish to take a bigger share of the revenues - this pretty much rules out TX and ND. This is the biggest reason the ND bridges have collapsed (as you said in your post) in the past - they perceive they bring more to the table than what they will take back. You can not have mentality in the B1G. As much as so many on here would love to see ND in, the reality is that the B1G does not have to kowtow to their demands.
Texas should be the only one. Austin is a similar city to Columbus, and I would love to see these two teams play every year. Texas is tradition, academics, individuality, and prestige rolled into one, everything the Big 10 conference is about. Oklahoma, although traditional, I dont think fits the Big 10 mold very well. Would love for Texas to join and finish off with Ga Tech (another great academic school with uniqueness)... The Big 10 has always been a unified collection of individualistic institutions, Ga Tech and Texas bring that. Finish it there.
Only one I that I might keep my eye on is Oklahoma. I know they aren't AAU members but with us looking to add two more powerhouses with big fanbases Delany may make an exception to this one. I think he could make this exception if ND is too stubborn and sticks with the ACC and he needs some negotiating room with Texas. This would probably be a few years down the line though.
The big ten wants schools that are members of aau. Only Nebraska in the big ten is. not a member school. Texas is a member OU and ND are not.
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