What happened to Braxton? Still stand by your Gholston comments?
I've read everything I can about his injury but can't tell what it was. These days getting your bell rung = concussion but they said it wasn't a concussion.
Reminds me of when Gholston got hurt against the bucks and many on this board were commenting that he had to have a concussion.
Any news? Care to adjust your story from when Gholston was hurt?
How is Braxton getting hurt and LEAVING IN AN AMBULANCE in any way similar to a guy who was clearly knocked out yet remained in the game?
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Miller was taken to a HOSPITAL and cleared. Someone shined a flashlight in Gholston's eyes and sent him back in.
I'll trust a hospital a lot more than a team medical staff.
All I know is it was really scary when Braxton was down, and didn't appear to be moving at all. Don't care about anything other than that they did the right thing and took him to the hospital to be evaluated.
My point exactly, Braxton was bad enough to go to the hospital but nothing is wrong? I'm not saying anything nefarious is going on but it doesn't make sense.
With respect to the Gholston thing, don't you think an md saw him on the sideline?
Miller was never completely motionless like Ghoulston, nor was it after direct helmet contact like Ghoulston.
From the beginning of the injury my main concern was neck or shoulder until he started stumbling around the sideline like a drunk sailor then I thought it was a concussion. But he passed the tests...in a hospital.
Ghoulston went out the next series. Completely different
Completely different situations. Gholston was clearly knocked out but Michigan State blatantly lied and said he just had the wind knocked out of him and he wasnt unconsious. Braxton was taken from the game to a hospital of profesionals and it was determined he did not suffer a concussion or other serious injuries. There are a lot of other things that can happen besides concussions.
Braxton left the building in a fucking ambulance, you can't say nothing was wrong.
If nothing was wrong why didn't he move? Why didn't couldn't he walk on his own?
Gholston walked off the field.
You guys can fuck yourselves with the down voting when you disagree.
CC, I've been clocked many times in sparring and not had a clue where I was, couldn't stand, muttered stuff that made no sense. I've gone to the hospital and checked out with no concussion symptoms. Sometimes you get knocked loopy but don't actually have a concussion.
Those are provably shots that shorten your lifespan in the long run.
@CC disagreeing isn't what's earning you downvotes. Dropping the F-Bomb is.
/Duff'd It
Cplunk - i don't follow. I've had concussions but never to e point where I was out on the field a la Braxton.
CC- my point is the opposite. I've been out on the field (well, in the ring for me) like Braxton but not had a concussion or any other injury that was detectable an hour or so later.
Nova, your math doesn't work. My first post was down voted without an f-bomb. The f bomb was to show my displeasure. Probably the first I've done on the forums. If people can't question what happened without others trying to silence them what is the point of the forum? To stroke each other?
He was taken to a hospital for precautionary measurements. They did a CT of his head to check for a concussion and it was negative. That's a lot better way to confirm a concussion than shinning a light in some ones eyes on the sideline. Through this process he saw and was evaluated by multiple team doctors on the sideline, ER doctors at the hospital, and a radiologist looked at and reads his CT results. I doubt any of them would lie like your inferring so he could play being they could lose their medical license and career by doing that.
Cplunk - I guess I see what you are saying but I've played physical sports including football through college and never seen that happen.
Ordain - read my post before telling me what I am inferring. I specifically stated I didn't think anything nefarious was up but it didn't add up. They are not mutually exclusive.
Im pretty sure when they showed another angle he was moving his arm. I dont think he was actually knocked out.
CC: maybe the reason it didn't add up for you is that you don't have all the data.
No, I don't care to adjust my opinion on Gholston. He was knocked unconscious and lay completely motionless for a long enough time for me to feel gravely concerned for a person I don't know or care for. On top of that, the replays VERY clearly showed a vicious shot to the head. Furthermore, as he walked off the field he showed discomfort in his jaw, a clear sign of hard contact to the side of the head. Hint: it is also not possible to have the wind knocked out of you when you take a shot to the head that makes your jaw sore. I ant believe that has to be rehashed, and I don't see what it really has to do with the injury to Miller today.
You have zero evidence that a medical doctor examined Gholston on the sideline. On the other hand, Miller was examined by medical doctors, and not just that but specialists for head injuries (huge difference compared to a generalists or sports med doc). From what I saw he had a CAT scan and an MRI and was cleared by doctors in very good hospital.
On top of that, while we all read the report that he was released with no symptoms we are not the doctor or the patient. Therefore, we do not know any other details. Did he have a really bad stinger? Did he have badly bruised ribs? Did he have any other number of issues that weren't reported? Sometimes when you take a hard hit, you don't know each place that got dinged.
In my opinion the tone of your original post had people ready to down vote you. The real question is why did the first three responders (Nappy, Orlando, and KR66) get a down vote and who gave them?
CC-Douche Nozzle... The problem we all had was with sticking a kid BACK IN THE GAME after being knocked cold and laying motionless... The only similarity would have been if Braxton was allowed to go back in, had he stayed on the sidelines. You really don't understand this?
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The kid was hurt and looked confused/shocked so I would not be surprised if he was feeling things that concerned the staff initially. He may have even been feeling things that weren't really there! That happens. It was a hard take down and it happens in the game. Better to be careful and get him to the hospital than the other options. I don't know what happened on the sidelines and who cleared Gholston but seems like two different situations. At the end of the day though I am glad that NEITHER of those kids were seriously hurt because they could have been!
who cares what you think cc. u aint brax nor a medical professional.
@CC, I have not downvoted you but maybe I can shed some light on why you were:
1. Take my experience, don't call out people or groups in a forum post. People don't take that well. Probably why your first comment was hit up!
2. Probably not a good idea to compare Gholston getting his bell rung on a helmet to helmet with an unknown injury to Braxton. Gholston was obviously out cold. Whether or not he had an actuall concussion, IDK because I am not a doctor, but they were lying when they said he was not out cold because we could see his limp body on top of Brax. Braxton could have had any type of injury as well as a concussion. They did not know but he was not out cold. Looked more like it was a major stinger or he could have had a disc injury. A twisted neck that could have really been a major issue. With nobody probably knowing what was wrong, it was probably more important for him to go to the hospital where as with Gholston they knew he was out cold, period. They lied.
3. To use what happened to Braxton as a platform to attack some 11W posters is really not cool. Wait a little bit before you get on a soap box. You would feel really shitty if something was really horribly wrong with Braxton and you went off like this.
How can any rational person equate the hit on Braxton and the hit on Gholston. Two totally different scenarios, and two totally different end results. My first thoughts after seeing the tackle on Braxton was head, neck, shoulder. Then when he was being helped off, lower back, hip. My thought after the hit on Gholston was,"Oh shit, he could be paralyzed." I love assuming a medical diagnosis as well as the next guy, but I'm glad we let highly trained professionals make the call on Braxton. If the Ms U staff chose the same option, there'd be no need for a conversation. Better to be safe, period.
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I've had a stinger before and it hurt like hell to move for awhile, it was a bitch but after some time past i was fine. Braxton got slammed to the ground hard and no doubt he was hurt. For his safety they sent him to the hospital to be thoroughly checked. nothing more to it
If you dont beleive that Braxton was hurt than just have someone slam you to the ground like that and if your tough you'll be ok too.
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That's what Matt Finkes tweeted immediatley-Stinger. I'd assume a guy like him has had a few in his day. Given the awkward position he landed on his head, I could see that being the case-since most stinger symptoms involve losing feeling in an arm (which it appeared Braxton did the way he was sort of hanging it).
I just find it hard to believe he came out of that unscathed as bad as he looked on the sideline. The part that worried me is the 'couldn't keep his eyes open' but he's been cleared by a major medical institution so I'm off the 'cover up' angle myself.
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Gholston was asked on the sideline if he thought MSU was going to lose to the Buckeyes. He responded with a loud and convincing YES! Team physician cleared him to go back into the game.
The day after I graduated from high school, I was in a bad wreck and was thrown from the vehicle but not before my head busted the windshield. I didn't get a concussion but my bell sure was rung. I stood up and went to help the people that hit me but as I took two steps everything became hazy and I fell back down. I thought I was dying and it hurt like heck! I had no idea where I was or even who I was for that matter for a good 4 or 5 hours. The doctor explained it as my head was traveling so fast and all of a sudden stopped but my brain didn't. It slammed into the front of my skull and basically knocked me out. So it is very possible to be knocked out and not have a concussion.
I don't think I'd argue with individuals at the OSU medical center. My cousin works there and she's been a nurse for over 15 years....the Drs there are really good as well. I don't think OSU's spokesman would also say he was cleared to "cover up" any thing as CC is insinuating. Not to mention, Ghoulston was knocked out and sent back in. Not even comparable situations...Things like this are why I'm becoming less and less interested in even attempting to read some threads.
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I'm guessing Brax was knocked out.. You can have your lights shut off and NOT have a concussion. That is what happened with Brax, and I'm pretty confident thats what happened with Gholston. Those saying it's not comparable-- wake up, it's very comparable. Only difference... One is ours, one is theirs...
To the folks who said they would trust a hospital more than team medical staff just sound like goofballs. A Dr. is a Dr. is a Dr. is a Dr.... Doesn't matter that one is labled a team Doc or not-- they risk losing their licenses if they return a player to the game with a concussion.. so I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Gholston did NOT have a concussion.. There's too much pressure on training/medical staffs these days to prevent this occurance, so I doubt it happened. Like it or not, it's the same situation (Brax and Gholston)...
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OTRAIN- dont for one second try to make believe that the sidline concussion evaluation consists of simply "shining a light in somebody's eye." It's comprehensive, in depth and as a player... pretty F'g annoying. A CT scan is obviously a better way to be sure that nothings wrong, but to imply that the Doc's and training staff simply shine a light in your eye is so far from the truth..
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Sorry guys, but I'll trust the medical professionals at OSU Wex, CT/MRI (head/shoulder/chest) scans, and the fact that he was discharged symtom-free. The reason he was taken to the hospital was because of concerns about a concussion, you can take a lick and be sore as hell, but not be concussed. Medical tests proved that and I'm sure the team will monitor him before clearing him to play.
Gholston was checked by team physicians after lying motionless, was reported as having the "wind knocked out" (after clear blow to the head?), and sent back in.
And CC, there's a difference between downvoting due to disagreement and downvoting due to your posts having zero substance; adding the f-bomb to your post doesn't do you any favors.
Dumb thread is dumb.
@CC
They aren't going to take any chances with an apparent head or neck injury. I'm sure the decision as to whether or not Braxton left on a stretcher to the hospital was not his own. I've had a neck injury where my head got jerked down and I heard a pop and was in extreme pain and couldn't move one of my arms. It turned out to just be a really bad muscle strain and I couldn't turn my head, lift my arm or do much of anything because the muscle that turns my head couldn't relax and it was very painful. They took no chances since it was a neck injury and they weren't sure what the problem was. They took me off on a stretcher and took me to the hospital to be examined. After performing all sorts of tests they just gave me muscle relaxers and told me to take it easy for a few days. I was more than embarrassed to have to be carted off on a stretcher when it happened and didn't want to be but everyone insisted that we take every precaution until I was cleared.
-BuckeyeTilIdie
I know the concussion tests are much more than a flash light. I was trying to make a point that the CT scan is a much more reliable and detailed test then what they do on the sideline. Wasn't trying to insult our team docs more inferring the tools, resources, and doctors available at the hospital could go a lot more in depth and make a more accurate diagnosis than the little resources available on the sideline. Your reading way too far into that comment.
Michigan State sucks. Again.
I think Dantonio would have told Braxton to try and walk it off. That's the difference.
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@CC - you posed a good question. Trauma to the head and CNS (brain in this case) is a particularly troubling injury to diagnose properly, because the early signs all can look the same. A blow to the head that leaves you "whoozy" may wear off in 60 seconds or 15 min - can't tell when it presents initially to the doctor. In addition to that, a concussion presents the same way. A concussion instead of whoozy just means the trauma & swelling of the brain is more severe. All gradations on a scale. And to make it even scarier, you can have bleeding from a torn blood vessel under the dura (the sheath that surrounds the brain) and you'll never know it until it progresses enough to cause compression of the brain tissue, causing the person to improve after the intitial hit, but then start to deteriorate some time later, leading to loss of conciousness, potential loss of brain tissue & even death. Also, unlike getting hit on the thigh, where a bruise can develop and swell and swell, relieving the internal pressure, the brain, due to being trapped in a non-expanding skull gets damaged much more rapidly than a muscle with the same amount of trauma.
Kudos to the team doctors for being cautious & sending him to the hospital. Bet he had an exam & a scan both. And if I was Gholston's family I'd be seriously pissed at the way the MSU staff treated my son. Sorry for my long-winded reply.
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I truely hate when people start threads like this..the only reason for a title like that is to draw out aggression in people..and it works..waste of everyones time and just stirs up emotion for no reason
Well i like college and i like football...and im gunna keep doin em both cause they make me feel good!!!
@Cajun - Whenever you're back in Columbus, I want to be the 1st person to buy you a beer. Love the Dantonio comment - "Walk it off". Man, we think alike. Keep commenting/posting!
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Buckeyevet- no need for an apology. Thank you for the knowledgable post!
+1
Buckeyevet, I hope to make it up for a couple weeks around Thanksgiving. I'll take you up on that.
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TSUN ST = WRONG TOSU = RIGHT. Simple. GO BUCKS!
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