With the defense clearly not living up to the standards of UFM and the fan base (many of those on this site), do you think there is any chance that in 3 years Tressel would come back and coach defense for us? Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember that the defenses from that era were phenomenal compared to these past two years. Not sure if Tressel was the head of the madness there but I loved watching us on defense in most games. Also, imagine what this would do for recruiting. Having two coaches on the staff who have won multiple National Titles within the last decade. It would almost be like a Co-Head Coach kind of thing. I know this seems out of left field but we can dream, right?
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Tress era Defense may have faired a bit better but the Tress era offense would have not been allowed to score more than 30ish against Indiana.... The game would have been a loss for Ohio State.
Tomorrow
Would want Fred Pagac or Mark Dantonio style defense. Aggressive, attacking defense. Tressel was always a QB coach I believe, not defense.
@ 4DORR that is why I want both. Tress run the D, UFM run the O...almost like a best of both worlds going on
@ LouGroza i would love to have Dantonio as well but I don't see him leaving MSU for a long time
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A better topic of conversation would be about the Wisconsin fan base being so excited and trying to figure out ways just to finish 3rd in the division ahead of Indiana, Purdue and Illinois and making it to the B1G CCG by default. It is simply hilarious reading how all they need to do is beat the 3 bottom feeders, Wisconsin standards at their best!
Tomorrow
Give it time to grow. Remember this is in large part Tress era recruits. Also remember Tress vs Meyer. Now wouldnt you prefer Meyer Offense and Defense? No brainer for me.
I don't think Tress would know the first thing to do about coaching a defense. He was strictly an offensive coach. He hired DCs that knew what they were doing and left them alone.
That, actually, was one of Fickell's problems last year. If rumors are true, there was very little interplay between the offensive and defensive coaching staffs.
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@ Waycraken I have to wait and see if he can actually bring the same defense he had at UF to here. I don't see it being as good but I am hopeful. And just because these are Tressel Era recruits does not mean that Tressel would use them the same way that Meyer is using them. They had almost contradicting game plans (Tress would control the ball, Urban wants to Run-and-Gun). Only time will tell though
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Yeah Lucky thats why I inserted the word style in there. I'm sure Dantonios days as a coordinator are over. Definitely liked the way he ran a defense though.
No way, no how. Why would a former HC in his 60s (would be in 3 years as OP has proposed) come back to be an assistant? Also, as has already been mentioned, JT's interests in his football teams mirror that of UFM's (QBs, O, and special teams).
It's not just "Tress's recruits". Last time I checked, Ohio State's defenses under Tressel could absolutely obliterate lesser teams that ran spread offenses. The real culprits here are highly-touted linebacker prospects that have left the program, or not developed the way we hoped. Most of our problems flow through the linebacking corps: their inflexibility on coverage has caused our short-passing defense fits.
That is what I was thinking Hodge. What about the chances of getting the D-coordinator from MSU? would that be a step up? I love Vrabel so keep him but Fickell seems to be unmotivated and uninterested to me.
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@Hodge: but even under JT, our LBs (excluding the obvious guys like Hawk, Carpenter, etc.) were generally too small to fight off blocks (Laurinaitis) and/or too slow to drop back into coverage (Freeman, Spitler, Homan, etc.).
I would take any of those guys on this team in a heartbeat.
@Earle: any of those guys would be an improvement (maybe with the exception of Spitler). The point I guess I was trying to make was, even under JT, we didn't have Spielman and Katzenmoyer clones running around every season. There was a lot of bitching about the LBs then, too.
Yes, however, it seemed like there was better communication and better schemes. It isn't about individuals, it is about how a group of players are together. The reason behind putting Boren at MLB, IMO, was to get a leader in the LB core. With Sabino out for another 4 weeks we need someone who can hold down an area and initiate communication. Boren obviously isn't that bad of an option at LB if he can get 8 tackles a game. It is better than having Grant/Klein alternate in and out and not letting them get into the flow of the game.
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Overall, the schemes were better. I don't think anyone would deny that Heacock was a better DC than Fick ever will be. The Boren move drastic, but considering he has more football IQ than the majority of our LB corps combined, and is a senior captain who played LB in HS, I'm OK with it for a game or two (it won't fly though against better teams like PSU).
Even under Heacock, though, people were bitching about our CBs playing 10 yards off, and Anderson Russell was a constant punchline. Moral of the story? OSU fans will find anything to complain about (shocker).
Until we see the same level of talent on the field with the current def coaching staff as we did with previous def coaching staffs - suggesting new coaches and making uninformed judgments of current coaches is a little hasty imo.
I know there's a game saturday, and my ass will be there.
Huh? Laurinaitis is 6'2" 245 lbs..that's not what u call a small LB. Freeman and Homan were actually quite good in coverage from what I remember as well.
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@BuckeyeJason: watch the end of 2007 Illinois. Illinois was able to sustain that drive because our LBs (including JL) were neutralized. There was also that picture that circulated prior to the 2008 season of JL and Freeman (I think) standing next to Maualuga and Cushing. Those are two big LBs.
Also, I'm no Ross, but I just remember Freeman being a liability in coverage. Could be totally wrong though.
I drank last year because of the offensive woes, this year I drink more because of the swiss cheese defense.
Tomorrow
Yea I was never a huge JL fan, but he's killing it in the NFL, and never had problems getting off blocks. Too often he would fill the hole a little late IMO, so his tackle would be after a 7 yard gain and not after 2-3.
And why do people say Fickell seems disinterested? Guy probably cares more about OSU than anyone on this website, and the people on this website LOVE OSU
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Yeah..well anyone would look small when standing next to someone that uses PEDs.
@ OP...
Tressel was a QB in college, is an offensive coach strictly. He specialized in coaching the QBs and calling the offensive plays. As many others have stated....he wouldn't know the first thing to do as a DC.
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yes, those guys are big..doesn't mean JL and Freeman were small. You mentioned one game in JL's 3 year starting career where he struggled a little.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
Tress wasn't hardly a defensive coach. He surrounded himself with a lot of good ones.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
@BuckeyeJason: you're right, and I didn't mean to generalize about JL's entire career. Just was trying to reiterate some complaints people voiced about various LBs under JT.
JL had his struggles..but so does every LB.
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JT had some great defenses but let's not forget his philosophy was to get a 3 point lead then squeeze the life out of the ball. I don't know if they would have been as great if they had an offense that scored as quickly as Urban's offense does. They'd definitely still be better than what we have now.
"Did you push yourself to be great today? If you didn't do it you lost a day. We ain't got many days to lose. We're going to push your a$$ like its never been pushed because what you've got in you were going to find out" UFM
i rarely agree with jason but to talk about jls deficiencies is ridiculous... the guy was a monster and he alone would do a lot for the defense we have now
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Sir Rick: obviously, I would love to have JL right now. I didn't say anything remotely close to the opposite.
First, I think Coach Tressel has a show-cause against him that would be a problem bringing him back to coach. Second, Coach Tressel is an offensive and special teams coach only. He didn't touch the defensive side of the ball and sat in all the offensive meetings, which is what Coach Meyer has apparently been doing as of now.
Coach Pagac would be awesome to have back and I think his aggressive style of coaching would be more in line with what Coach Meyer is trying to accomplish.
Lastly, let this coaching staff work on shifting from a Cover 3/Cover 2 based defense to a Cover 4/Cover 1 defense. The differences are huge IMO and it takes some time to get things to be taught and sink in.
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