He is absolutely lost out there. Takes horrible angles on stretch runs and has no sense of where wide outs and backs are at in pass coverage. All you can do is blitz him when he's in there so he doesn't have to think and screw something up.
I'm sure he's better than players who weren't even good enough to get on the field. I think circumstances have forced him to play more than his talent really justifies, though plays like the first TD today have more to do with lack of basic recognition than with sheer talent.
Groza, I couldn't care less. First off, the kid is terrible. Secondly, he's a terrible person. It's disappointing that Urban let him back on the team. IMO, he is not a Buckeye. Real Buckeyes don't get booked for assault twice in 2 years, including assaulting their girlfriend.
Agree that Klein is better than Grant, but Grant isn't in the game getting torched out of position all game long. We need to recruit some studs quick !
Curtis Grant reminds me of Sabino. I think after this year, perhaps a redshirt might help him get his head straight. I think Luke Roberts could possibly be the next great leader at MLB for OSU. That is an incredibly talented kid with a very high aptitude.
At this point I'd rather have C.Grant in there just running around than Storm. I mean how much worse could he be really. I mean at least he'd be running around in there much faster. I'm thinking its something more thats keeping C.Grant off the field. However he is just a 2nd year player, and didn't have a RS year to get ready either.
These threads aren't locked away in a box. Trashing our guys when they are doing what they can is BS BuckeyeJason. Missed the point as usual.
First of all I never bash Storm and I don't think anyone should, I just said players don't come on sites like these..they're smarter than that. You trying to say im incapable of understanding points of discussion? You're obviously moronic if you do.
I'm probably going to get down voted a ton for this, but even considering our frustration level (and mine is through the roof with our LB's),t I hate to see these kind of posts. For these reasons:
1. He's a young man with a lot to learn in life AND on the football field.
2. Good, bad, or indifferent he is a Buckeye. Part of the family & no matter what we (non-players) think, he always will be.
3. Yes, the players & band members read 11W. Supposedly (I have been told by someone there) it's their favorite fan site.
4. Players or recruits will think twice about playing for OSU when they see players bust their ass and get publically trashed for it.
5. He's an Ohio boy and bleeds S & G.
6. The coaches know the team better than I do, which means that everyone that Klein is starting ahead of is, WORSE than him.
7. In years past he would have only seen the field in mop-up time.
P.S. And BuckeyesMJ, that was funny...
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
I was speaking of people in general missing points attempting to be made. I personally know the family of a player on the team and they see and read a lot of things. I will have to tell them that you know they don't. I think you're violating the commenting policy by saying I am obviously moronic btw.
I hate to say it, but Zach Boren looked much better to me in that spot than Storm Klein did. I'm for giving Boren the majority of the playing time there from here on out.
Gentlemen i in no way disagree that hes an average ( at best ) linebacker. I would just like to throw in a comment that storm klein is an ohio state buckeye. He suits up in scarlet and gray and has resolved his issues with his gf at least in the legal viewpoint. He has earned the staffs trust to be on the field. Continue discussing the topic, but he is one of our own.
buckeyevet, I would agree with you on all of that if he was actually a good kid who was only interested in trying his hardest to be a fine young man and football player. However, the kid has a personal history of being a an arrogant hot-head. Anyone who assaults a girl half his size doesn't deserve the honor of playing for Ohio State.
Jason Ott is the worst I've seen at Ohio State. Also, Curtis Grant is worse. Otherwise he'd be out there instead of both Klein an true freshman Joshua Perry.
edit: I see I'm not the first to list Jason Ott. I'm glad someone else knows what I'm talking about. Jason Ott on the field for Ohio State was some of the worst shit I've ever seen.
Spitler started one year and was a pretty darn good SAM. He even got drafted by the dolphins and is still on the team. I wouldn't call that "pretty bad".
He was all right, better than Klein. Klein is a hot pile of garbage. And if he's hurt, props to him for gutting it out-with that said he was bad healthy too.
He's easily the worst OSU LB I've seen in a long time-at least the worst who plays as much as he does. Curtis Grant must really be a football doofus if he can't beat an injured, bad, slow Klein out.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
look, just goes to show you that Grant isn't very good or intelligent enough to be on the field when a not so good Klein who was injured most of the off season and was involved in a legal situation is playing instead of him. To make things worse..they'd rather move their all-American fullback to the position who hasn't played there in 5 years instead of Curtis.
Yeah, Ramzy I understand he's just a sophomore...but they're just looking for whoever they can put onto the field. You'd think they'd go to Grant regardless of his age, considering he was the starter at the beginning of the season, rather than going to a true freshman in Perry or a convert in Boren. The fact that he can't supplant a bad Klein, regardless of age, says a lot. Grant proved to be so bad that they couldn't afford to have him on the field. He's still no Jason Ott. That was tortuous watching that guy on the field.
@BuckeyeJason: Storm definitely won't play in the league, whereas Spitler does have the tools to be a next level LB. However, the same things we're complaining about with Storm (getting lost in space, a liability in coverage) are the same things we complained about with Spitler.
I don't remember that..I mean is the Sam even supposed to cover very much? Totally different from Klein playing the Mike. All we used Spitler for was to rush the passer and stop the run. Spitler came out in the nickel and it was just Rolle and Homan with Hines subbing in.
So many people think Storm is that bad and Fickell pretty much HAS to use him because of the lack of depth and yet I am betting that many of us don't even think about that when calling for Fickell's head! We just aren't that good at times. And it sucks to say that.
Taken from the Five Things article that Chris wrote for the Cal game:
"The 2009 trio of Rolle, Homan and Austin Spitler was less effective than the ’10 version. Rolle was coming into his own, Homan was serviceable and Spitler was at times a disaster."
Our recollections of Spitler must be very different.
This argument about Klein vs Grant is tough. Do you prefer a less athletic guy taking bad angles or a much faster and athletic guy running in the wrong direction every other play?
I say Curtis Grant is worst! First of all, Klein is starting in his place. I understand the whole "he is only a sophomore" argument but he was the #2 overall rated recruit. He had the opportunity to be the guy. He failed and Klein actually out performed him. He has to be considered worst than Klein. With the expectations and current production, that adds up. Its like saying a 2nd round pick in the NBA being bad is worst than Sam Bowie!
So Spitler got drafted.... So did Ebner??? that doesn't prove a lot. I think our problem now will be recruitng the right guys to play the position. We've already got 7 Freshman LB's, and we cant find one that isn't a liability?? that sounds like a big problem. I agree with the guy about Luke Roberts, I'm surprised the high IQ guy isn't getting a shot. Most coaches would rather have the kid that doesnt screw up, than a more talented player who blows assignments IMO.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Folks, Meyer has repeatedly said the best players will play. Storm Klein is on the field and Curtis Grant is not. That should make it obvious who is the better 'backer right now. The thing is, Grant still has two years to turn things around so he still has a chance to be the better player over the course of his career.
Also, I find it a little surprising that some people in this thread dont think there are players on the team that read this site. These guys dont live in a bubble and this is one of the larger Ohio State themed blogs.
Curtis may be able to get better or may be not. However Storm never did live up to the hype. He was a better RB in HS at Licking Valley then he was a LB. He's never been able to be fast enough at LB nor bring the big hits like he did in HS. Sometimes good HS kids don't make good DI football players.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
I wouldn't go as far as calling him horrible. He was way outta position when he got burned for 80+ but he hasn't played that bad this season. If he wasn't the best man for the job he wouldn't be out there. I'm not sure if its impressive that he got his starting job back after missing fall camp, or if its depressing that our LB corp could be that desititute...I'm leaning towards the latter.
I could have been the worst linebacker in Ohio State history! Apparently, the exact reason Earle Bruce never offered the scholarship. I can only dream of the abusive comments from the fans and the taunts from opponents, that I missed out on. If only I could have donned the scarlet and gray and not lived up to the expectations of adoring fans. It's got to be the dream of every youngster, doesn't it. Playing for tOSU on scholarship, an experience you can't put a value on. Being a Buckeye football player and getting trashed like a Michiscum Wolverqueen on an Ohio State site? Why, it must be absolutely priceless!!!!
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
kid's not all- world, but i can think of several worse: everybody behind him on the depth chart.
so, my advice to you is this: stop making ridiculously short- sighted threads about a sport and a program to which you will always be on the outside looking in.
when i was little, i remember being at the shoe with my father. 105,000 people around us always knew better than the coach who had the program at 11-2 every year. my father would always just smile. he'd lean in and whisper: "never played the game."
i kind of wish Threads were locked during games. Nothing good ever really seems to come out of forum posts or blog posts that are written during the game.
The coaches see storm klein every day in practice. So I will take their opinion over ours. Like someone said earlier, we as fans have been spoiled by having a hell of list of stud lbs come through this program in recent history. And there isn't any of that caliber in the program currently. Is klein the best around? No. But he's the best available. So I will take him for what he is...a guy who goes ou every day and puts in the work to be prepared for battle on saturdays. He's not going to conjure up images of aj hawk or lauranatis, but he's busting his ass and doing the best he can. And as far as the whole offseason incident? We've seen the swift hammer of justice meyer wields when it comes to off field discrepancies. The fact he was reinstated means he did what was asked and took the necessary actions to be welcomed back by the coaches and his teammates. But don't trash a guy for his shorcomings...he's still a buckeye and he's still giving it is his all out there. Something the majority of us only dreamed of having the opportunity to do.
I'd love to see some of these judging types, get some pads on & go beat out either Storm or Grant. Storms just not that quick, Grant is still trying to understand.
Let's not forget - didn't Storm miss most of summer camp and get suspended for 2 games, for the stuff that happened off the field? Yet, here he is, one of the main LBs on the team, having completely beaten out Curtis Grant for the job. Sure, Storm has probably worked his ass off to get to where he's at now since being reinstated. But still - this is just the situation we're in with LBs right now.
Bauserman when he played LB... actually no I take that back.
As much as Storm Klein is just terrible, apparently Curtis Grant is worse.
anyone got any insider info on brax's injury?!!
no way curtis is worser. i just dont see luke and co doing what they r freaking supposed to do.
I bet Grant has not had the best attitude about being demoted. Most likely the cause for his complete lack of playing time.
Grant is worse in every way than Storm Klien. Period.
He is absolutely lost out there. Takes horrible angles on stretch runs and has no sense of where wide outs and backs are at in pass coverage. All you can do is blitz him when he's in there so he doesn't have to think and screw something up.
Did he say "worser"? :-)
Jason Ott - way worse.
Is this really a serious question?!?
OF COURSE Storm Klein is the worst Ohio State linebacker... not just in recent memory, but EVER! He's ATROCIOUS!
As for the comment, "As much as Storm Klein is just terrible, apparently Curtis Grant is worse" There's NO WAY Grant can be worse than Klein. NONE.
Curtis Grant.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
Klein is also playing through a slipped disc. He is probably running slower than Hankins at times though. But apparently we don't have anyone else.
I'm sure he's better than players who weren't even good enough to get on the field. I think circumstances have forced him to play more than his talent really justifies, though plays like the first TD today have more to do with lack of basic recognition than with sheer talent.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Everytime he came in for Z. Boren I was upset.
It's easy to say that when we have had a steady diet of Hawk, Carpenter, Lauranitis, Shazier and Rolle.
~Because we couldn't go for three~
Ya the guy he replaced!
Wherever you are, there you be!
His girlfriend got away in the living room, and you want him to track down running backs in the flat? :o)
Yes he's the worst upper classmen lb in my lifetime. Boren should never come out for him
O'Deez330
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Clearly he is better than the guys that aren't seeing the field.
They are all Buckeyes and need our support guys. Hope he doesn't look at this thread. That would really do wonders for his confidence.
Good point CPLUNK!
Yeah Lou Groza I'm sure he rushes to Eleven Warriors right after games to see what people say about him..give me a break.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
Groza, I couldn't care less. First off, the kid is terrible. Secondly, he's a terrible person. It's disappointing that Urban let him back on the team. IMO, he is not a Buckeye. Real Buckeyes don't get booked for assault twice in 2 years, including assaulting their girlfriend.
These threads aren't locked away in a box. Trashing our guys when they are doing what they can is BS BuckeyeJason. Missed the point as usual.
@ BuckeyeSMJ
Domestic violence is no joking matter....but that made me spit out my drink moments ago !
Find it hard to believe Curtis Grants atheltic ability just running around could be any worse than Storm.
Agree that Klein is better than Grant, but Grant isn't in the game getting torched out of position all game long. We need to recruit some studs quick !
Curtis Grant reminds me of Sabino. I think after this year, perhaps a redshirt might help him get his head straight. I think Luke Roberts could possibly be the next great leader at MLB for OSU. That is an incredibly talented kid with a very high aptitude.
At this point I'd rather have C.Grant in there just running around than Storm. I mean how much worse could he be really. I mean at least he'd be running around in there much faster. I'm thinking its something more thats keeping C.Grant off the field. However he is just a 2nd year player, and didn't have a RS year to get ready either.
First of all I never bash Storm and I don't think anyone should, I just said players don't come on sites like these..they're smarter than that. You trying to say im incapable of understanding points of discussion? You're obviously moronic if you do.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
I'm probably going to get down voted a ton for this, but even considering our frustration level (and mine is through the roof with our LB's),t I hate to see these kind of posts. For these reasons:
1. He's a young man with a lot to learn in life AND on the football field.
2. Good, bad, or indifferent he is a Buckeye. Part of the family & no matter what we (non-players) think, he always will be.
3. Yes, the players & band members read 11W. Supposedly (I have been told by someone there) it's their favorite fan site.
4. Players or recruits will think twice about playing for OSU when they see players bust their ass and get publically trashed for it.
5. He's an Ohio boy and bleeds S & G.
6. The coaches know the team better than I do, which means that everyone that Klein is starting ahead of is, WORSE than him.
7. In years past he would have only seen the field in mop-up time.
P.S. And BuckeyesMJ, that was funny...
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
I was speaking of people in general missing points attempting to be made. I personally know the family of a player on the team and they see and read a lot of things. I will have to tell them that you know they don't. I think you're violating the commenting policy by saying I am obviously moronic btw.
Spitler was pretty bad.
I hate to say it, but Zach Boren looked much better to me in that spot than Storm Klein did. I'm for giving Boren the majority of the playing time there from here on out.
Thank you Buckeyevet. I am with you. Have an upvote.
Gentlemen i in no way disagree that hes an average ( at best ) linebacker. I would just like to throw in a comment that storm klein is an ohio state buckeye. He suits up in scarlet and gray and has resolved his issues with his gf at least in the legal viewpoint. He has earned the staffs trust to be on the field. Continue discussing the topic, but he is one of our own.
buckeyevet, I would agree with you on all of that if he was actually a good kid who was only interested in trying his hardest to be a fine young man and football player. However, the kid has a personal history of being a an arrogant hot-head. Anyone who assaults a girl half his size doesn't deserve the honor of playing for Ohio State.
Jason Ott is the worst I've seen at Ohio State. Also, Curtis Grant is worse. Otherwise he'd be out there instead of both Klein an true freshman Joshua Perry.
edit: I see I'm not the first to list Jason Ott. I'm glad someone else knows what I'm talking about. Jason Ott on the field for Ohio State was some of the worst shit I've ever seen.
Spitler started one year and was a pretty darn good SAM. He even got drafted by the dolphins and is still on the team. I wouldn't call that "pretty bad".
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
Spitler was not bad. wtf? Spitler was a solid LB. He wasn't an all-american but he was pretty solid.
He was all right, better than Klein. Klein is a hot pile of garbage. And if he's hurt, props to him for gutting it out-with that said he was bad healthy too.
He's easily the worst OSU LB I've seen in a long time-at least the worst who plays as much as he does. Curtis Grant must really be a football doofus if he can't beat an injured, bad, slow Klein out.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Storm Klein is a fifth-year senior. Curtis Grant is a true sophomore.
He's just slow. That's the biggest thing with him.
Class of 2010.
Same could be said about Shazier and Sabino.
look, just goes to show you that Grant isn't very good or intelligent enough to be on the field when a not so good Klein who was injured most of the off season and was involved in a legal situation is playing instead of him. To make things worse..they'd rather move their all-American fullback to the position who hasn't played there in 5 years instead of Curtis.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
fixed.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
Yeah, Ramzy I understand he's just a sophomore...but they're just looking for whoever they can put onto the field. You'd think they'd go to Grant regardless of his age, considering he was the starter at the beginning of the season, rather than going to a true freshman in Perry or a convert in Boren. The fact that he can't supplant a bad Klein, regardless of age, says a lot. Grant proved to be so bad that they couldn't afford to have him on the field. He's still no Jason Ott. That was tortuous watching that guy on the field.
Tishmango Biakabatuka says Jerry Rudzinski
Some things never change. Thought RecruitBuck got the BanHammer.
Totally agree with Jason Ott. That dude sucked
Ki-jana Carter 2nds the Rudzinski vote.
@BuckeyeJason: Storm definitely won't play in the league, whereas Spitler does have the tools to be a next level LB. However, the same things we're complaining about with Storm (getting lost in space, a liability in coverage) are the same things we complained about with Spitler.
I don't remember that..I mean is the Sam even supposed to cover very much? Totally different from Klein playing the Mike. All we used Spitler for was to rush the passer and stop the run. Spitler came out in the nickel and it was just Rolle and Homan with Hines subbing in.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
So many people think Storm is that bad and Fickell pretty much HAS to use him because of the lack of depth and yet I am betting that many of us don't even think about that when calling for Fickell's head! We just aren't that good at times. And it sucks to say that.
@BuckeyeJason:
Taken from the Five Things article that Chris wrote for the Cal game:
"The 2009 trio of Rolle, Homan and Austin Spitler was less effective than the ’10 version. Rolle was coming into his own, Homan was serviceable and Spitler was at times a disaster."
Our recollections of Spitler must be very different.
He was a disaster yet the dolphins drafted the guy after he only started one year..never said he was great but he was solid.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
This argument about Klein vs Grant is tough. Do you prefer a less athletic guy taking bad angles or a much faster and athletic guy running in the wrong direction every other play?
D. Anthony
From what I've seen Grant isn't soo quick himself on the field.
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I say Curtis Grant is worst! First of all, Klein is starting in his place. I understand the whole "he is only a sophomore" argument but he was the #2 overall rated recruit. He had the opportunity to be the guy. He failed and Klein actually out performed him. He has to be considered worst than Klein. With the expectations and current production, that adds up. Its like saying a 2nd round pick in the NBA being bad is worst than Sam Bowie!
But Grant will be an All-American next year!! lol
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
So Spitler got drafted.... So did Ebner??? that doesn't prove a lot. I think our problem now will be recruitng the right guys to play the position. We've already got 7 Freshman LB's, and we cant find one that isn't a liability?? that sounds like a big problem. I agree with the guy about Luke Roberts, I'm surprised the high IQ guy isn't getting a shot. Most coaches would rather have the kid that doesnt screw up, than a more talented player who blows assignments IMO.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Man anyone else watching this Oregon State game. They've got some linebackers in Corvallis.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Folks, Meyer has repeatedly said the best players will play. Storm Klein is on the field and Curtis Grant is not. That should make it obvious who is the better 'backer right now. The thing is, Grant still has two years to turn things around so he still has a chance to be the better player over the course of his career.
Also, I find it a little surprising that some people in this thread dont think there are players on the team that read this site. These guys dont live in a bubble and this is one of the larger Ohio State themed blogs.
For a starter...yep.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
......And last year's staff thought Bauserman was a better choice than Kenny G @ Nebraska....yikes!!
Sorry Joe Bauserman if you read this LOL
Jason Ott ... Can't believe someone pulled that name above!
Curtis may be able to get better or may be not. However Storm never did live up to the hype. He was a better RB in HS at Licking Valley then he was a LB. He's never been able to be fast enough at LB nor bring the big hits like he did in HS. Sometimes good HS kids don't make good DI football players.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
I wouldn't go as far as calling him horrible. He was way outta position when he got burned for 80+ but he hasn't played that bad this season. If he wasn't the best man for the job he wouldn't be out there. I'm not sure if its impressive that he got his starting job back after missing fall camp, or if its depressing that our LB corp could be that desititute...I'm leaning towards the latter.
I could have been the worst linebacker in Ohio State history! Apparently, the exact reason Earle Bruce never offered the scholarship. I can only dream of the abusive comments from the fans and the taunts from opponents, that I missed out on. If only I could have donned the scarlet and gray and not lived up to the expectations of adoring fans. It's got to be the dream of every youngster, doesn't it. Playing for tOSU on scholarship, an experience you can't put a value on. Being a Buckeye football player and getting trashed like a Michiscum Wolverqueen on an Ohio State site? Why, it must be absolutely priceless!!!!
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
Totally agree Cajunbuck. I hate this thread.
kid's not all- world, but i can think of several worse: everybody behind him on the depth chart.
so, my advice to you is this: stop making ridiculously short- sighted threads about a sport and a program to which you will always be on the outside looking in.
when i was little, i remember being at the shoe with my father. 105,000 people around us always knew better than the coach who had the program at 11-2 every year. my father would always just smile. he'd lean in and whisper: "never played the game."
i kind of wish Threads were locked during games. Nothing good ever really seems to come out of forum posts or blog posts that are written during the game.
"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch
The coaches see storm klein every day in practice. So I will take their opinion over ours. Like someone said earlier, we as fans have been spoiled by having a hell of list of stud lbs come through this program in recent history. And there isn't any of that caliber in the program currently. Is klein the best around? No. But he's the best available. So I will take him for what he is...a guy who goes ou every day and puts in the work to be prepared for battle on saturdays. He's not going to conjure up images of aj hawk or lauranatis, but he's busting his ass and doing the best he can. And as far as the whole offseason incident? We've seen the swift hammer of justice meyer wields when it comes to off field discrepancies. The fact he was reinstated means he did what was asked and took the necessary actions to be welcomed back by the coaches and his teammates. But don't trash a guy for his shorcomings...he's still a buckeye and he's still giving it is his all out there. Something the majority of us only dreamed of having the opportunity to do.
I'd love to see some of these judging types, get some pads on & go beat out either Storm or Grant. Storms just not that quick, Grant is still trying to understand.
AJ Hawk was a three-star recruit.
Taquitos.
Let's not forget - didn't Storm miss most of summer camp and get suspended for 2 games, for the stuff that happened off the field? Yet, here he is, one of the main LBs on the team, having completely beaten out Curtis Grant for the job. Sure, Storm has probably worked his ass off to get to where he's at now since being reinstated. But still - this is just the situation we're in with LBs right now.
Class of 2010.
a big fat YES!!!!
Downvote for piling on.