Unless it is in the SECCG and they get blown out I don't think it will matter if Bama loses to LSU. I think a 1-loss Bama will get in over ND or KSU even if those teams are undefeated.
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BCS experts have already ran the numbers. If 2 of the 3 from KSU, Oregon, and ND are undefeated Alabame is out.
Disagree. When the dust settles at the end of the season, an undefeated Oregon, KSU, or ND will get in over a one-loss 'Bama team.
The better question is, who's the odd team (or teams, if 'Bama rolls) out of those three?
God would wreak havoc on CFB if an undefeated ND team didn't play in the NCG....TD Jesus said so himself
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There is no such thing as already running the numbers. No one knows what voters will do.
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its a tough spot, that would very clearly reveal some of our current system's flaws. If ND and oregon win out, and bama loses a close one to lsu, who goes to the ncg? it would be hard to deny an undefeated nd or oregon, but i think given the body of work, a 1-loss bama team should be in the conversation...
ND's schedule is weak for the next 3 weeks (Pitt, BC, Wake) until they play USC in L.A. KSU, Oregon, and Bama will all have the chance of going 13-0 with conference championship games. If there are @ least 2 13-0 teams, I think ND is odd man out.
I think the only way a 1-loss Alabama gets in is if they only lose a game by the slightest of margins. If KSU, Oregon, and Bama all lose a game, I think Bama would get in over an undefeated Louisville though.
No...if Bama loses to LSU or in the SEC championship game they will be out to undefeated team (s). I do believe KSU and ND's schedules will get them in the NC game if they're undefeated. Don't sleep on KSU btw...they're better than Bama if you ask me. Some would say they're not but I feel this is the year that an SEC team may not make the NC game.
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No way a 1 loss bama gets in over unbeaten K-State, Notre Dame. Oregon's schedule is starting to look like that monster end of season isn't going to be such a monster. The other OSU and USC losing are going to hurt. K-State and Notre Dame undefeated would have several wins better than anything Bama assuming Bama loses to LSU(I don't think it'll happen).
I think if Bama loses a close one at LSU, then LSU loses another game to allow Bama to go to the SECCG, and Bama rolls UF or UGA, then they will jump both ND and KSU because of the voters.
Closing games against 2 of the worst defenses in the country (Baylor and Texas) will not do K-State any favors.
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You can run numbers based on projections.
Does the Big 12 have a title game this year??? I don't think they do, but still a 12-0 in K-State will have won 5 conference road games, in the BCS's toughest conference from top to bottom this season. I just don't see anyway that undefeated K-State doesn't get into the title game. People keep talking about respecting Notre Dame because they are for real because they beat Oklahoma at Oklahoma, well K-State did that what 6 weeks ago? K-State is the real deal folks. They are complete on both sides of the ball too. They play great fundamental football too. K-State could win the whole thing and I have a feeling people would be completely shocked if they did. This team is for real.
If K-State goes undefeated though, and Bama has 1 loss, K-State will probably end up number 1. Playing those 2 bad defenses will allow them to hang huge point totals on big names. Texas may suck but if they hang 60 on them people will say wow, they just put 60 on Texas, they must be really good. If Bama loses and K-State is unbeaten, the human polls are going to have K-State number 1.
wow what a crazy scenario that would be. they all deserve a shot imo, if bama loses they should be out in the case 2/3 of those are undefeated.
Regardless of what Maestro feels, if 2 or 3 of the previously mentioned teams are undefeated and Alabama has 1 loss Alabama will not make the NCG. Those teams being ND, KSU, and Oregon. BCS prognosticators have yes in fact run the numbers, meaning projected win loss and poll ranking etc for each scenario.
If Bama has a loss and KSU, ND, and Oregon all do not, and Bama makes it into the National Title Game, there will be a big backlash from the general public, outside of the delusional South, of course.
Not to mention, if Bama loses it will likely be to LSU which would prevent them from even making the SEC championship game unless LSU loses again. Without that added boost, to their already non-existant chances if other teams stay undefeated you can write them off.
It was interesting to hear on XM college sports last week, someone called and said UGA had the power to keep the SEC out of the NC game. Too early to tell, but they beat Florida, and if they can hold it together and somehow beat 'Bama, then maybe...
I totally disagree. A one loss team will not jump a undefeated team.
Looking at all of the schedules I don't think Alabama would have an argument to get in over an undefeated Notre Dame, Kansas State and certainly not Oregon who in opinion is the best team I've seen this season.
Alabama's schedule has actually been very favorable to them. They miss Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. LSU is only real road test and Mississippi State was vastly overrated.
I can see a 1 loss Bama teM get in. The voters jumped Florida over scUM just before the Mncg back when Urban was a name we didnt talk about around here.
I agree with Buckpocalypse.
If LSU beats Alabama this Saturday (doubtful, but stranger things have happened at night in Death Valley), and wins out, they will make the SEC Championship game over Alabama. If LSU does win this game, they have a favorable schedule the rest of the way, with home games against Miss. St. and Ole Miss, and a road game at Arkansas.
Regardless of how good we all think Alabama is, if they were to lose to LSU AND not get the chance to play another solid opponent in the SECCG, they really have no leg to stand on in regard to their resume vs. undefeated Oregon, KSU, or Notre Dame. The Tide's biggest wins have been against Michigan and an overrated Mississippi State team. By the end of the season, there's a good chance neither of those two teams will even be ranked.
I really don't see either KSU or ND stumbling the rest of the way. If Bama loses to LSU or in the SECCG, I don't see how they'd have an argument to jump two (at least) undefeated teams.
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If Bama loses to LSU, thats it. There is not what if. The season for them is basically over as far as a NC game goes. your basically looking for ND,KSU or Oregon. two of the three to stumble along the rest of the way for them to get back in it. Looking at the remaining teams on all three of their schedules its possible but not likely.
Bama has played nobody up to this point. If they lose to LSU then the voters are gonna take a big step back and see that Bama had played noone up to LSU and I dont think they will be too kind to Bama for that especially if 2,3,and 4 all go undefeated.
@GBM...Florida Jumped Michigan, but both had one loss. A lot different than a 1-loss team jumping an undefeated.
I think this is a moot argument because I don't see Alabama losing, but if there are 2 or 3 undefeated teams, a one-loss team will not play for a title no matter who it is.
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If both ND and Oregon win out that would meanUSC would have at least 5 losses. That hurts ND more than Oregon bc they have Oregon State and Stanford left who are ranked. ND needs USC to win the PAC12 for their SoS.
K State is one bad proformance from Colin Klein away from being on the irrelevant bus. But then again, so is every team not named Alabama.
a one loss bama team is still the best team playing this year, imo. although kstate looks very good and notre dame is looking good, and then oregon. well on further thought, i have no clue who the best team is if bama loses a game.
I reject the premise (if Alabama loses), but I think K-State/Oregon would be a fantastic game to watch, and a televison ratings nightmare (as opposed to, say, Alabama/ND).
EDIT: Not saying Alabama/ND would not be a great game to watch, just commenting on the ratings vs. Oregon/K-State.
A National Title Game between Alabama and ND would pull monster numbers in the ratings.
It's going to be Alabama and KSU. I can see ND losing to USC. However, I would agree with all above...ND and Bama would be an intersting game to say the least. Two great D's and potentially good offenses. My pick is still KSU and Bama...I personally feel that would be a better game. I'm not sold on Oregon unless they beat OrSU and USC...twice.
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Easiest road to undefeated?
KSU*: OK St, @TCU, @Baylor, Texas
Oregon: @USC, @Cal, Stanford, @Oregon State, PAC12CG
ND*: Pitt, @BC, Wake, @USC
Bama: @LSU, Texas A&M, W Carolina, Auburn, SECCG
*no conference championship game
If all finish undefeated you'd see Alabama and ND in the Championship Game. If you don't think the BCS is political, where have you been the last 15 years? Plus, ND had the toughest SOS on paper. Big wins like Michigan, USC, WVU, Texas Tech, MSU, Arkansas just aren't that impressive at this point. It's going to be hard to argue that one had that much tougher of a road than another, when all the opponents keep losing.
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If KSU, ND, and Oregon win out and Bama loses, no way should Bama be in that game.
i skipped last years champ game because it was bs for Bama to be there. If voters put a one loss Bama in over two undefeateds from major conferences, I don't think I'll ever watch another game that doesn't involve OSU.
IMO if Notre Dame goes unbeaten, there is no way they dont get a title shot. They play the toughest schedule out of the 4 unbeatens. Notre Dame's only problem is their easiest games on the schedule are their next 3, and they dont have a conf title game... but neither does Kansas State.
I think Alabama will slip up to either LSU or in the SEC championship game.
This is why we need the 4 team playoff now! It will be a shame if we end up with 3 or 4 unbeatens and voters decide who gets in. I dont understand how Oregon is ahead of Notre Dame and Kansas State based on their schedule.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Oregon is ranked so high because they score points fast and by the bunches. The fact they've yet to do it against any team with a pulse is irrelevant. This is what Oregon always does!
I vote for November chaos. And a non-sec MNC.
I know there's a game saturday, and my ass will be there.
The thing is I think someone will have to beat the SEC in the championship game to shut them up. If they dont get in all you will hear is what if they got in and that the national champion didnt have to play an SEC team. But to answer the original question a 1 loss Alabama should not get in over any of those undefeated teams.
I'm still hoping Bama wins it this year, and then Ohio State can be "that team" to take down an SEC program in the MNC next season. OSU helped perpetuate this trend and it would be great to see it come full circle.
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It will take a lot for bama to not make it. Probably two loses. Hell they didn't even win their confidence let alone play from their conference championship and they got the title shot. Lsu would get left out with one lose because of their horrible showing last year in prime time.
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Big 12 is overated IMHO - a 1 loss Bama would go over KSU, but not ND
This year's LSU team is not held in nearly as high regard as last year's squad with Honey Badger, Claiborne, et al. I think a Bama loss in Baton Rogue knocks the Tide out if KSU and ND are both undefeated. Despite the media's infatuation with all things SEC, the collective snore of the rest of the country during last year's NCG is still echoing. I see an ND-KSU matchup.
If Alabama loses to LSU, then wins out, it's still going to the national championship game with one loss. Beating a top-10 Georgia or Florida is going to be the biggest accomplishment anyone has over the remaining weeks. The same goes for Georgia or Florida, too, if they happen to upset Alabama. Oregon and ND both have to play USC...meaning if USC wins none of those 3 games (assuming the Trojans play Oregon twice), USC will finish with 5 losses on the year and will help neither team's strength of schedule. You can consider K-State a lock if they go undefeated.
If ND is able to stay ahead of Alabama, so be it...but I will be substantially shocked if they start hyping a ND-KState game. ESPN is who drives the BCS championship game matchup...make no mistake about that. Whoever they say goes to the national title goes to the national title. They are the biggest influence of voters, and that's because they have the rights to the game. ESPN will dedicate 3 hours a day to saying why Alabama with 1 loss should still be considered a top-2 team. They were calling for a rematch of Alabama and LSU BEFORE that game was even played last year. BEFORE!
If 2 undefeated teams survive the onslaught blitz of voter-influencing propaganda that ESPN is gearing up to release onto the college football world in the event of a 1-loss SEC champion, I might just have to invest in space heaters to sell to Hell.
I wish LSU had enough in the tank to pull the upset. I don't believe their offense can stay on the field long enough to keep their D from getting worn out and eventually crushed. The thought of another SEC national champion gives me dry heaves. If, by some football miracle, LSU could prevail; we would all be spared. No chance a 1 loss SEC team jumps an unbeaten ND or KSU
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No one loss team will beat two undefeated teams out for a shot at the NC. ND will not get denied and the nation loves KSU. whether you think the Big 12 is overrated or not does not matter. A 1 loss bama would not get into the big dance over two undefeateds.
Bama is riding a weak schedule. should they hit a bump in the road that is it. they have no firepower in their schedule to bring them back from a loss.
I would like to see all the bowl eligible teams get at least one loss and then see how they find the top 2 teams out of that mess. Then throw in an undefeated Buckeye team
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OK, I had to bypass a lot of opinions (since there are many), but I see it this way: 1. There is not team in college football that is currently better than Alabama... I'm not saying they can't be beat, but no one has to complete package of dominating defense and consistent offense. 2. The only team I've seen that might be able to compete would be Oregon. Although K. State has the best defense in the Big 12, it's still the best defense IN THE BIG 12!. I believe ND has a better defense than K. State, but as we all saw this past weekend, a Big 12 defense will even make ND look competant offensively. If Oregon wins out, they're in no matter what (because that would mean beating their back-loaded schedule of USC, Stanford, and Oregon State). Plus it would mean ND going to USC might be against an unranked USC team at the time, minimizing a 'signature win'... I can't see K. State losing (their toughest opponent is Texas, and we've seen that atrocious defense) so even if 'Bama chokes, it's most likely gonna be Oregon vs. K. State.
Transitive property doesn't always mean a whole lot, but Notre Dame only held Oklahoma's offense to 6 fewer points than K-State's D. They would be the best D in a lot of conferences, not just the Big 12. That team just plays really good football on both sides of the ball.
If Alabama loses, they're done. So much of rankings depend on overall records. Never before, that I'm aware of, has a 1-loss team been put in the national title game over an undefeated team from a POWER conference. And I'm sure a 1-loss team would never get in over an undefeated Notre Dame if Notre Dame had ever gone unbeaten before in the BCS era.
If you want to talk about pure brand name/ratings, I think Notre Dame and Oregon have enough clout to make up a tremendous national championship game that would be hyped well and would draw the interest of many fans. Oregon has their flashy up-tempo offense that puts up tons of points, along with their flashy uniforms. Notre Dame plays great defense and ball control offense that doesn't always light up scoreboards (and doesn't have to), but doesn't make the big mistake that could cost them the game. ND/Oregon would be a great matchup.
However, you can't discount Kansas State from this discussion. Sure, they don't have the recent years of success that Oregon's had or the history that Notre Dame has, but you can't write them off for that. You go off of what you see in this season. Kansas State is every bit as deserving as Notre Dame and Oregon to get a shot at the title. I just think if you see Bama lose, and Oregon/ND/KSU all go unbeaten, Notre Dame will be in for sure, and it's a crapshoot between Kansas State and Oregon. If Alabama goes undefeated, and Notre Dame does as well, then I can guarantee you it'll be Alabama vs. Notre Dame in the NCG regardless of what KSU/Oregon does.
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Irrelevant. Bama NO WAY loses to the mad hatter!