I only say this because of the constant excuses from MeatChicken fans over the years...From referees, to weather, and my favorite..."because his shoes werent tied".... A win is a win and is always great against TSUN, but would rather them be at full strength so Porkchop Hoke can't have any excuses(or fans). Of course he has to get through two more weeks... Has anyone heard any updates on Detard?
PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
•Football Schedule•Basketball Schedule•Forum•About•Contact
11W Poll
Buckshots
Buckshots Block
-
Fifty is Nifty
Happy Birthday, RichRod!
-
Oct. 19 Homecoming Game vs. Iowa Slated for 3:30 p.m.
Hawkeyes make first trip to Ohio Stadium since 2009.
-
Ray Small Apologizes to His Coaches, Teammates and Buckeye Nation
“My former teammates were the world to me and I treated them like they were nothing.”
-
Dante Booker: What This Means
How does the commitment of 2014 Ohio star Dante Booker impact Ohio State moving forward?
-
50 Twitter Accounts Every College Football Fan Should Follow
It must be Twitter list day around here. Also: humble-bragging.
-
The 8 Most Entertaining College Football Assistant Coaches on Twitter
#KINGOFTHEHASHTAG makes the cut.
Recent Blog Posts
- So... You've Encountered an Internet Troll
- My Interview with Al Borges
- Wrestling: A Look Back at the Career of 4-time NCAA Qualifier CJ Magrum
- 2013: The WR Rotation
- The Dontre Wilson Impact
- Better know a ... Mountaineer?
- Joey Bosa = perfect OOS recruit!
- Wrestling: Stieber defeats #1 Ranked wrestler in the world at Rumble on the Rails
- Response to Johnny's "There's so much money going around, well, mostly"
- My Worst Ohio State Football Experience Ever
Active in the Forum
- A new name for Mark May
- 2014 QB Brandon Harris Will Visit Columbus Next Week
- Michigan Takes Over at #1 in ESPN's Class of 2014 Rankings
- Quick Bits (Memorial Day Weekend)
- East Texas Football
- Buckeye military promotion!
- Deshaun Watson visited Auburn today
- Mike Mitchell Is A Freak
- Initial Top 247 for 2015 Out
- SuperTroll Mark May does not have OSU in his top 10
- First 9R 11W Award!
- God I HATE soccer.
- 2014 DE Harold Landry
- Bama's Key Departures More Significant Than They Appear
- Aint Nuthin but a Gee Thang - Snoop Lion's Kid is a top 100???
Want to say hello?
We love hearing from you! Whether you want to work with us, discuss advertising opportunities, or pass us a hot tip, you're more than welcome to drop us a line.
Last I heard, he's a go for Saturday. Their training staff is trying to outfit him with a sleeve for his "throwing" (lulz) arm.
"throwing" arm, classic!
Injuries to the punting arm are no joke.
"You have to slay the selfish beast inside of you and be your brother's keeper" - Chris Spielman, on being a great teammate
+1 for all Denard throwing jokes...I'll check back throughout the day
Surprised the punter isn't receiving reps at QB this week...wideouts are used to Denard's throws
Wouldn't that be his spooning arm? His "throws" look like something I used to shoot across the cafeteria from the end of my spork back in high school.
GO BUCKS!
You guys are so funny with your nicknames for every school, coach, and player in the B1G. +1
Anyway, I don't know what kind of Michigan fans you hang out with, but the only excuse that is acceptable is Rich Rodriguez. That is why we had .0000000001 % chance of winning. The four years before that: OSU was better and/or Tressel outcoached Lloyd Carr.
What will your excuse be if "Detard" has 5 touchdowns again this year and spoils your bowl game?
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
@HAIL - Then it will be because Michigan was the better team on that particular Saturday afternoon.
No one here is saying it (at least not a lot), but it's sheer folly to "not be concerned" with Michigan. Terry Glenn made that mistake in '95, and though the Tressel years were great, I'm not keen on duplicating that negative karma. The football gods think it's "no bueno".
Personally, I'm glad Denard's playing. I hated the "cheap" victories from '08-'10, glad to see were both (relatively) back to full-strength.
With RichRod doing his thing at now Arizona and his CV from WVU, I'm not so sure your excuse is/ever was acceptable.
You mean his punting arm! I just wrote a post on this.
D. Anthony
RichRod isn't having problems winning big games at Arizona. How many years will that excuse be the answer for every downfall?
2008 was the definition of "Cupboard being bare." You clearly didn't pay too close attention, optimistic, but when your student section is making cheers for your punter (who is the best player on your team), you're not doing so hot. RichRod had a knack for losing the big game, especially late in the year. His offense was wonderous at times, lackluster against stout defenses and, speaking of defense, he didn't believe in it.
@Groza...big games at Arizona? They beat an overrated USC team. They also got beat by Oregon 49-0, and lost to Oregon St and Stanford (almost lost to Toledo for the second time in RRod's career). A fluke win here and there doesn't make you a good coach.
This is the dumbest argument ever proposed on 11w...
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
"Throwing arm"? That arm was clearly built for arm-punting.
/Duff'd It
@OPTOMISTIC AND LOUGROZA - Well, RichRod's problems were due, in part, to not hiring Casteel from WVU to be his DC, and also from a lack of committment to his system from Michigan brass. Seems like they hired him for the name, and then got cold feet when it came to allowing him to implement his system. Michigan also was woefully devoid of compatable skill players for Rodriguez's offense (since Carr's best recruits saw the writing on the wall and jumped ship), and he never tried to tailor his offense to what he had (a la Brady Hoke).
@Hail I agree Rich Rod destroyed Michigan for 3 years. Last year was essentially our RichRod year (you could even argue he is a better HC than Fickell) but now both teams have their coaches in place and it will be really interesting to watch this game. No excuses from either side (unless Brax or Denard gets hurt before the game, because both account for large portions of their respective offenses)
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
It is ALL richrods fault! This is really his M*ch*gan team still. His win against USC doesnt matter because everyone knows the spread actually works in the Pac 12. But it's not like anybody could go 9-0 or have any success with the spread in the B1G!
Seriously, though. All I can say is TSUN and RichRod just dont mix. He is a good coach, but maybe a little to evolved for them. I mean, I love pizza and I love cereal, they just dont mix well. Same thing with that coach and school.
@Hail...the cupboard wasn't bare. You guys had recruiting classes ranked close to and even high than ours for several of the years we dominated,,,and Lloyd didn't leave you hanging...it's the same BS Florida tried to use. Yes, Mattison is a great coach but Brady is not. Doesn't mean he can't compete with or beat us from time to time, but I always felt teams like both of ours were like top level race cars and could win a lot with average pro drivers BUT could really do damage with very elite drivers. When we got Urban I was hoping you would've locked in Harbaugh or Miles (though I'm still not sure Miles isn't just an average driver with a crazy fast car that he's going to total soon)...sorry for all the racing references, don't like racing at all, just always used the car analogy for our teams for some reason.
D. Anthony
Thought the lack of backing from ttun faithful said a lot. Felt for RichRod. He was on his own basically. Think if he could have gotten full support he could have possibly succeeded. He has certainly proven that elsewhere. And in his first season at AZ beating USC is a big game win. Whether USC was overrated or not it was huge for their program. No matter what happened prior in their season had zero bearing on that fact. It is year one for him. Big win period.
Urban Meyer regards Rich Rodriguez as one of the five best minds in football. Meyer said so. I agree with Coach Meyer.
And that's about as far as I would go, in dragging 11W into the intramural thermonuclear-mutual-assured-destruction that the name Rich Rodriguez inspires among Michigan folks.
@HODGE,
That is my sentiment exactly. Once Carr left, UM has a ton of inexperience (graduating 4 year starters at QB and RB??), not to mention how injuries decimated them on defense, particularly the secondary if I remember correctly (at least in part contributing to UM's poor defense, the other part probably in getting a better coach and system). UM expected someone to come in and take inexperienced players molded for a completely different system and immediately win with them?
@HAIL,
You should check out how RR actually fared at WVU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_West_Virginia_Mountaineers_football_team
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_West_Virginia_Mountaineers_football_team: "WVU's 9–4 record marked the biggest one-season turnaround in Big East Conference history, after posting a 3–8 record the previous season." Beat #12 VT and #18 Pitt - HUGE rivalry games; 2-2 ranked teams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_West_Virginia_Mountaineers_football_team: 2-3 vs ranked teams; again beat #3 VT and #16 Pitt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_West_Virginia_Mountaineers_football_team: 1-2 vs. ranked teams - disappointing season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_West_Virginia_Mountaineers_football_team: 2-1 vs ranked teams - finished 11-1 BCS #11, coaches #6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_West_Virginia_Mountaineers_football_team: 2-1 vs. ranked teams - finished 11-2 #13 BCS, #10 coaches
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_West_Virginia_Mountaineers_football_team: 4-1 vs ranked teams - finished 11-2 #9 BCS, #6 coaches
He was bad at UM, but not because he's a bad coach. As I said, he had success at WVU and he's looking good at Arizona, winning as many this year already as they did last year. I still don't think you can use RichRod, as a coach, as an excuse. Your AD made a massive mistake in matching a head coach to expectations.
Ok, he did well in the Big East. Not saying he wasn't a good coach at WVU, he just wasn't at Michigan. When a coaches philosophy is that we don't need to play defense because we'll just outscore the other team, it doesn't go to far. 2 defensive coordinators in 3 years.
3-9, 5-7, 7-6 ...would that be acceptable at OSU? Who would you blame if Urban came in an put up those numbers? Be glad that you have the talent that you do and the personnel that isn't the complete opposite of what you need to run your offense.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
So about those arm punts...
lol a downvote? Come on....
The cupboard might have been bare...but only because they couldnt recruit. If i remember right they didnt even have a kicker to kick extra points and field goals a couple years ago. As much as I hate to say it...its Mic*igain...surely you can convince some kid to come there and get an "education" to just kick the ball. Thats just horrible recruiting...by a horrible staff and horrible coaching.
That's not exactly true.
In Lloyd Carr's last season (2007), Michigan had a trio of middling upperclassman placekickers, including K.C. Lopata and Jason Gingell. Carr didn't have much of anything else in the pipeline as he left.
That was the status quo that Rodriguez inherited in 2008. Not terrible; not great.
Brendan Gibbons was recruited by Rodriguez's Michigan staff out of Florida for the 2009 incoming class. Gibbons was by most accounts one of the top 10 kickers in the nation, out of Palm Beach Cardinal Newman. He was immediately put into action as a true freshman, and struggled. Graduation, and no great upperclassmen or other scholarship kickers, became a very sore point in a very unhappy Michigan football community. It became (as most things did during Rodriguez's time) a media sensation, with people prodding Rodriguez for quotes and comments, and going nuts over the idea that Michigan might hold student body tryouts, or raid the soccer team, for another kicker.
Gibbons is now Michigan's solidified kicker, having kicked two game-winners this year and having made 13 of 15 attempts with just two misses from long distance. A long of 52; we let our kickoff guy Matt Wile do all of the attempts from about 45 yards+ in most cases.
Denard Robinsons punting arm.. lol. Didn't he start out as a DB? Maybe there's still a good chance he might throw an interception to himself before his career is over? Who's with me?
It's 5 o'clock somewhere, & Michigan still sucks
Downvotes on Hail are lame by the way !
Hail & Mman always bring great Mich**** perspective to our forum chats and I for one am glad for their input.
@hailtovictor9
Ill take 7out of 8 wins in that span....im sure you will agree even a mediocre osu team last year should have won that game...braxton missing open recievers for TDs...guess thats my 1 excuse in 8 years...
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye....
I'm glad Denard is ok & would hope that he would play against OSU. I'm one that prefers we beat them at their best. Not that I think it's a forgone conclusion that we will win...talking to you Hail...I certainly don't think that at all. But I would rather we win against a strong UM team thereby there are no excuses. Plus I would love to see Denards "eating" thing he does turn to...oh, I don't know - maybe wiping away tears.
Edit: can't figure out if the downvote was a UM fan angry that I'd like OSU to win & that I can't stand Denards eating thing -- or a Buckeye fan angry that I'd rather we beat them at their best, and am glad Denard will be playing - which makes me stupid so I've heard...it's a toss up. It's just sports....
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Ya, I want a healthy Denard. Beating bad M teams never gave me any joy. I despised the entire RR era because of the mockery OSU turned the rivalry into under his stewardship. Moreso-Denard has a chance to have a winning record against OSU as a starter-an OSU win over him knocks him back to 1-2 and allows us as fans to scoff at Michigan fans when they treat him as one of their all time greats, while we as OSU fans can reply he was simply a stat junkie's wet dream who won exactly 2 games of substance (OSU 2011\Sugar Bowl).
I love that Chad Henne is held in such high regard by both schools. I wish nothing but the same for Denard. Please be healthy. Right as the OSU D rounds into form. If OSU wins, and I feel very confident that they will, I just hope our fans don't rush the field. Even if it makes them undefeated, or wins the division, we are better than that as fans. Michigan fans rushed when they beat a .500 OSU team, we shouldn't rush the field
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
It doesn't matter who's playing for who. If Ohio State wins MeatChicken will blame it on something other than the truth ... being out played, out coached and out classed on the field.
JT
Thank you for bringing the MeatChicken fans from underneath their rocks after that beat down Nebraska put on them. As far as I'm concerned, I hope #16 plays just so there aren't any excuses...because we all know there will be no matter if he plays or not. My early prediction is 42-24 Buckeyes. Let the excuses and crap talking begin from the four to five TTUN fans that come to their arch rivals site to be "opinionated."
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
"I love football. I think it is most wonderful game in world and I despise to lose."
Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987
Denard was heavily recruited by Florida, as a DB.
But Denard wanted to be a QB. Michigan got him, essentially, because Rich Rodriguez and his staff saw QB potential. Period. Denard would have been a DB at another big program --probably in the SEC -- otherwise.
There is a really interesting section in Three and Out by John U. Bacon, where he recounts the story of Michigan's ex-DC (summarily fired by Rodriguez after a disastrous Michigan defensive performance in Ohio Stadium in 2008; a classic fiasco) Scott Shafer, almost screwing up the recruitment by talking to Denard while on one of his own recruiting trips to Florida and recruiting Denard as a DB, which left Denard wondering if Rodriguez was being honest with him about a promise to play QB. Shafer got chewed out for that before they eventually fired him.
@Buckeye Beast, I want so badly to join in on the fun you're having but if he threw a pass and caught it, it wouldn't count as an interception my friend. Sorry buddy, I didn't want to have to be the one to tell you. ;)
"I'm One Bad Buckeye, and I approve this message."
I personally don't give a crap one way or another wheather Denard plays.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
I think M Man and Hail are two of the best Michigan posters and definately contribute meaningfully to the best football blog out there, the 11W!
As for Denard, I wish him as much good will as I can for any Wolverine. I certainly hope he plays his final chapter of the game. He has worked his tail off to be the best dual threat QB in the history of the B1G (at least for two more years!), and through all the turmoil, he has represented himself and family well. I do hope he throws five interceptions against the Buckeyes, but also does it with a smile on his face!!!
For all the fun we poke at Hoke, bringing Robinson to Michigan was pure genious. He has put together a Michigan defense that will present a great challenge, and he did it very quickly. I cannot wait for the Game, it is going to be epic!!!
Respectfully,
Larryp713
Well, there you go, buckeyes giving scum fans breathing room. F... mman and hail, if your a buckeye what do you care what they think. Bottom line, they want you to lose your final game. Any doubt, ask them. You gutless wonders placating the enemy on your own blog. F.... scum. Bottom line.... go bucks. Give them enough time, they'll own your jocks because evidently, you guys are too stupid to know what the rivalry is all about.
@Buckeye706 the irony in this thread is that it is the buckeye fans who are slinging the mud, and the wolverine fans who are carrying on the discussion with levity and thought out comments.
~Because we couldn't go for three~
jestercef: congrats, you can make douche of the year. Levity and thought out. lol Go join Hoke as turncoats. Not enough levity for you; sorry.
^^^ Mr. Pot meet kettle. :)
~Because we couldn't go for three~
My favorite place for reading Michiscum info is the mens' room wall of my favorite Ohio bar while I urinate. However, since the topic is up, I will post an opinion. Michiscum is relevant one weekend a year at my house. I don't care who they start. I don't care if they have excuses. I hope that we beat them 100 - 0 and their putting helmets on band members to try and finish the game. I don't like Michiscum, but I also don't like the fact that we have members who are down voting M Man and Hail for posting on this site. This is, and should always be, an open forum. Besides, rooting for Michiscum is a curable disease; and there's no better medicine than 11 Warriors.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
I would just like to see Michigan at full strength when we beat them. That way they have no excuse for the beat down other than that we are the better team this year. Glad to hear Denard is playing again, there team is lost without him.
Yes there are two Buckeyes in Ann arbor on this site!
@Hail,
To revisit my original point, not only do I not believe that:
, but I also do not believe that RichRod was a bad coach.
@Johnnie
EDIT-first comment removed
If this is going to be your input moving forward, you should just save everyone the trouble of downvoting you, so before you comment again, please review the commenting policy or go away now !
I have known Hail & MMan for a year and you for um......5 minutes
I would hope they would want their team to beat TOSU just like i want Mich**** to lose 62-0
That ain't the point son !
I'm glad to see that Detard is going to be ok. He only has a few more games left in his career to watch him arm punt balls to opposing defenses. Next year we will miss him. It seems like he has always been there.
I'm confident this year we will beat AACC. I'm not trying to be cocky. I think we have the better team, staff and coach. I also know that doesn't mean shit in this game. So, like every year I'll be nervous until the clock reads 00:00.
Go Bucks!
I want our Defense to have the same opportunities as everyone else.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
How did they prevent him from implementing his system?
I clicked on it... I regretted it immediately...
and i doubt a big football school like michigan doesnt do their homework on hiring... just hiring a name was not on their agenda...he was outcoached, out recruited...have any excuse you want...as a coach you have to adapt to the players and athletes you inherit or recruit...he had 3 years, just didnt get it done...but i applaud the hire ;)
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye....
+1 to everyone...even the haters. I apologize if I came across a little disgruntled. RichRod is just so...well, think about how you felt about Cooper when it came to the Michigan game. Imagine that x 50, now throw in that his first year was the worst record in Michigan history, he led us to two consecutive losing seasons and ended the longest active bowl game streak, put the two worst defenses in the 131 year history of the program on the field two years in a row, went 0-6 vs our two biggest rivals, put us in a big hole recruiting wise, largely in part to neglecting Michigan and Ohio players, etc.
I will admit, his offense was fun to watch when it worked, and I'm grateful that he brought Denard and a lot of great kids that I've really enjoyed watching over the years. There just wasn't enough good to overcome the bad.
Edit: And I do hope that Denard and company find a way to win in Columbus. I had no idea that kind of thing was in question.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
@ HAIL,
I agree that it was a bad situation for your school. Those were serious growing pains. I am actually glad you guys got rid of RichRod because I was scared of what could have happened once he got his system in place - granted this was when Tressel seemed like he was going to be with us for many years.
I actually think Cooper had far more talent on his teams every year than most coaches get in their tenure. Some of Cooper's teams were the most talented in my memory (I see this in opposition to RR's teams).