PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
I don't know. There's probably a deep seeded conspiracy that goes to the highest levels of ESPN to push only bad OSU press. Sparty fans should consider themselves lucky that they don't have to live with that annoyance.
I mean, when you look at it-facts are facts and OSU is the target of only negative stories and press. ESPN is behind all of it and clearly has a problem with Ohio State.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
wait...lol...i'm at work. Are they really discussing this? He actually went to the medical center to get checked out and cleared...wtf?
"Winter is coming" - Urban Meyer
Resting in a lounge chair in hell along side of saban's soul, dantonio's smile, kiffin's ethics, brian kelly's burst blood vessels, holtz's speach therapist, and an empty spot with a pbr and a hot licks best of 80's hair cd on the bar waiting for beliema. thats where.
I know there's a game saturday, and my ass will be there.
Yes NG. Very thick there. Sorry.
I don't think it was your intention but there are some around these parts convinced of the very scenario I laid out. I was having some fun at their expense.
I don't know the guys name. He is a older guy on the BCS countdown show on espnu right now. He talked about players dumbing down the base test, how concussion results are very inconclusive, and that Braxton should be kept out for the next couple games at least. I just don't see how this is discussed like this and Gholston's "wind knocked out" incident was left untouched. Not saying it is an ESPN conspiracy, just that the host called it a concussion when nobody else had called it that and the old man here is going off about it after he had been taken out of the game and cleared.
The host talked to Rittenberg and Rittenberg basically said it was just neck pain. The host came back after the interview and proceeded to say that his concussion analysis just depends on what source you read from.
It wasn't my intention. My intention here is that I just believe the host and the older guy are very misinformed and to ask why these particular two aren't pointing out Gholston. The 3rd guy had the sense to state that he did get checked out by the university hospital and they are the ones who cleared Brax.
And rightfully so, the kid couldnt walk on his own power. I'm still in awe that he's going to play this week.
When you have the biggest fanbase and you are successfull in multiple sports people are going to hate on ya. The hate breeds trolls. End of Story. Take it as a back handed compliment and move on. Just watch the BTN and ignore espn.
"Say my name."
>Analyst on ESPNU
>World-renowned Wexner Medical Center
Gee, I wonder which person/entity is probably right or more able to properly diagnose someone's condition? Just ignore clowns like this when they come on air.
IRT to some of the posts in this thread: even though certainly the anti-OSU ESPN thing can be exaggerated at times, I watched the ESPNU coverage NGBuck is talking about, and I've also watched the coverage on BTN today, and it's almost funny how differently ESPN covers OSU compared to BTN.
ESPN's comments on Braxton: being that it was a head injury, they need to sit him for at least another week, if not two. I worry they're rushing him into this, concussions need to be approached much more seriously.
BTN: being that it was only whiplash/a sore neck, it's still amazing that he's back this week. But you know OSU has taken all the precautions and he won't be out there unless it's safe for him.
It really is funny at times that ESPN's coverage of OSU DOES always seem skeptical/cynical, whereas w/BTN they seem to be willing to give OSU the benefit of the doubt. This happens over and over again. Doesn't bother me one way or another, but it is an obvious difference. A bit reminiscent of the Fox vs. CNN political coverage. I will say though, ESPN has given us a LOT more positive coverage since Urban took over, so that's one good thing.
Hey, don't point out any examples of espn doing shoddy reporting/analysis concerning Ohio State. That automatically means that you're engaging in conspiracy theorizing!
I just flipped to espn2 for a second and scrolling at the bottom said "Miller (concussion) and Guiton both expected to start Saturday " really?
I'm sorry but if they are going to continue to report Braxton's hit as a concussion after being cleared from the medical center I feel that this is just absolute terrible journalism. Im certainly not calling it a conspiracy but what is the point of reporting it this way?
I have seen no other news outlet suggesting this is a concussion. All other outlets that I have read reference that Brax has passed all concussion tests. So why is ESPN continuing on with stating this is a concussion? If they had someone claiming that Brax has one or that they know something Ohio State isn't telling evryone then they need to come out with it. Otherwise this is doing nothing for ESPN's credibility.
I wish somebody could explain the reasoning behind ESPN reporting this "injury" in such a way that doesn't seem at all credible.
How can Miller and Guiton both be expected to start? Maybe it said expected to play.
Watched this as well and was fairly confused as to why the older guy went into an explanation on brain damage and basically said his parents and coaches should not allow him to play. For a concussion that he is now symptom-free of. No idea as to half of what they were saying.
Good news? They were talking about OSU on a BCS show, which OSU is not a part of this year.
Why the hell did I get downvoted?
NGBuck: good question. Maybe the same individual who downvoted me. Although, in my case, I probably deserved it.
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Ohio State QB Braxton Miller (head) practices today, questionable vs Penn State Saturday. #OSUvsPSU
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Ohio State QB Braxton Miller (head) practices today, questionable vs Penn State Saturday. #OSUvsPSU
He looked really wobbly after the now infamous tackle. I can see how analysts and fan bases, in an effort to belittle things they are jealous of, would scream foul play. Here's to the best damn hospital in the land, I know they would never compromise their ethics, not even for a Buckeye.
It's pretty amazing that after the way he looked after that hit, and the need to take him to the Med Center, that he seems to be perfectly fine outside of some soreness. I'm not skeptical at all, but I can maybe see why others are, given how he went to the hospital yet he's now fine. Our Medical Center is world class, though, and I trust their judgment 100%.
Class of 2010.
Its amazing how narrow minded people can be. There are a lot more injuries that can happen to the head/neck area other than concussions. How can they let people go on the air and just make shit up like this. Braxton was cleared of concussion symptoms. I guess nobody cares about journalistic integrity anymore. Just run your mouth about things you have no information on and throw it on the air.
Sorry Brewster, accidentally down voted you when I meant to do the converse.
Let's face it, it does look fishy. Sure, there's probably a myriad if reasonable explanations, but it doesn't change the fact that the guy who makes our offense work (and Heisman candidate) went OUT OF THE GAME AND TO THE HOSPITAL and then was suddenly "okay".
Im not doubting the staff or medical staff: Urban wouldn't risk anyone's health if it was serious, let alone his starting quarterback. But again, you have to admit that it looks fishy.
It was Dan Hawkins on ESPNU's "The Experts" that said Miller should sit out 2 games. Everyone else on the show pretty much agreed and inferred Miller had a concussion based on the fact that they were dumb enough to cheat concussion tests when they played years ago. Miller didn't just pass these tests, but he also had imaging tests to further rule out any damage.
Braxton is a freak of nature. He says he's never really ever been hurt.
For all of those TV analysts out there who are saying how long he should sit (even if he did have a concussion)...
Based on guidelines from the Colorado Medical Society, American Academy of Neurology, and Cantu, unless the concussion is quite severe (with extended loss of consciousness and amnesia), then the consensus is that he can return to play if he's been asymptomatic for a week. That's why they're checking every day. I assume they'll keep checking every day this week, and if a symptom were to show up, then he would not play against Penn State.
If I recall, this happened with Nate Williams a few weeks back. Staff said he suffered a concussion, originally said they expected him to be okay for next game. Later that week, they said it's not gotten better (meaning he still had symptoms), therefore he sat that week (I think against Indiana).
As far as fudging baseline cognitive testing.... it does happen unfortunately. Personally know a guy who intentionally bombed the baseline test. Ironically, he got a concussion that season and his plan worked to perfection. Said he did BETTER the second time around, even with a concussion. And was cleared to play...
NGBUCK21 The people that downvoted you probably work for ESPN.
As Hodge said in so many words, I think the fact that OSU handled it correctly is the reason why ESPN and the media took notice---plus a QB is higher profile than a DE. The replay of Braxton hobbling into the ambulance has been shown a lot more than the Gholston's helmet-to-helmet was. When a player is carted off the field, they get more attention. Since Gholston walked to the sideline and returned two plays later, it didn't garner as much national media attention.
Of course, any one who watched the MSU/OSU game knows the Gholston hit and situation appeared to be much worse. Just my two cents, but I definitely don't see this particular story as anything close to a conspiracy.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
Thought I heard the hospital did full testing, including brain scans? Do not know if it was an MRI or what but I think they can tell if there is trauma (concussion) to a severe degree or at least one that needs handled with care. They didn't just put a flashlight to his pupil and say he's ok for next week. Why will they not report that the team's physician is not clearing him but it was the hospital gave him the OK? Darn you ESPN.....and Mark May.
Clown question, bro.
This has been mentioned before in another thread on 11W but Braxton's injury does fit the mold of a brachial plexus tie pressure point injury. Look it up if you don't know what it is, but it would explain being "knocked out"/motionless as he lay on the field after the initial blow, and a lot of the symptoms he was showing directly after that. My guess (I'm not a doctor but I play one on blogs like this) is it's a combination soft tissue/pressure point/whiplash type injury. I've suffered a couple of concusions myself, but they themselves never caused me pain like you see in Baxton's face. More of the dizzy don't sit up too fast type stuff. I do also agree with what Urban said Braxton related, that he'd never really been hurt before, and it scared him. But once he knew he was ok, he could relax a bit. He's going to be sore. He's sore after every game he plays with the hits he takes. Welcome to big time CFB.
Oh, and to ANYONE who questions Braxton's, or any other player's toughness: you obviously NEVER played, so stfu.
"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever. David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel
Completely agree about those who questions his toughness Scott. That pisses me off so much. I never played football either, but I've never put in the kind of work any of these kids do to get ready for the season and to keep playing. Have to be pretty tough just to get through all the conditioning and workouts and practices.
It's worth noting that Herman said that Miller doesn't know the difference between "hurt" and "injured". He said a guy like Simon will play through pain every day, while fine tuner athletes like Miller get worried when they get hurt.
I'm betting that stems from his time at Huber Heights Wayne, where he carried his team and was injured (not hurt) often, I'm betting he always equates injuries to the ones he's experienced (which is perfectly normal) and worries its the worst. Up till this season, going down has always meant the worst for him.
That said, the idea he's not tough is goddamn stupid. He wouldn't subject himself to potential injury by constantly staying in bounds to fight for extra yards if he was weak. Home it's a warrior, and opposing teams are going to risk cheap shots to get him out of the game. It's what happens when you rely on one guy to make it all work. This whole "toughness" bullshit is the same reason why concussions have become such a problem (read: Cutler, Jay, in NFC Championship).
Off the subject, but speaking of Dan Hawkins, this is a classic from his woeful Colorado days:
I don't think that Meyer would let Miller play this Saturday if he has any lingering symptoms. You know that he wants to keep Miller healthy for the duration of his career, where the wins next year count toward a bowl or a championship. We also have _ichigan approaching. I think he wants Miller at 100% for that game. Above all else, I think Meyer truly has a great relationship with his players. I don't think he would risk furthering anyone's injuries. Look at what he did for Tebow with the special plane ride. Look at Bennett and Williams this year. Maybe I am off base here. /shrugs
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