I listened to Kirk Herbstreit on the Fan today talk about Urban and brady. He and a lot of people nationally talk a lot about these 2 coaches as if they are equals and I can't stand it. Urban has earned all the praise, he came to OSU after posting great records at BG and Utah, taking them to higher levels than ever before then won 2 NC's at Florida. brady, came to Mich with a sub .500 record and looks like the Frisch's Big Boy. Where the hell is the comparison? Why are they given equal respect by so many commentators and "experts"? It has to simply be due to the fact that it's OSU/Mich because brady has earned nothing.
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Agree 100% with you!
Why they compare them, who knows and who cares.
I personally havne't heard them COMPARED like they're equals...but it is only natural to speak of them as big rivals now. They are both tearing up the recruiting trail. While I don't think Michigan is "back" yet, they did in fact beat us last year - possibly "renewing" the rivalry some. Hoke's definitely got UM headed in the right direction. And certianly Urban is going to bring intensity to The Game as well. Comparing their recent successes coaching in the BIG is fair. And comparing their styles and recent results is fair.
That being said - yeah, Hoke has a LONG way to go to get into Urban's league, who is easily in the top 5 active coaches. But comparing them outside of their TOTAL success (where again Urban is ahead) is only natural and I think fair.
Do you have a specific example of them being compared in a way that is "unfair" - i.e. that clearly or even implicitly compares them as equals? Not being a jerk with that question - if you have something along those lines, I'd like to read it for myself, and if there is a comparison that gives Hoke too much credit, then I'd love to join you in bashing Hoke and the article or whatever that does it.
At this point it doesnt matter who's done what or who's not getting respect. Coach Meyer is coaching Ohio State and he's got to beat Michigan and have great success here and now. The past is the past. We all know Coach Meyer is more accomplished, now we have to continue that success.
I mentioned Kirk speaking on The Fan... and I keep hearing about how "Ohio State and Mich both have GREAT coaches in place...". It's really not bashing to question how anyone can call brady great at this point in his career. If your not hearing this stuff and the comparisons then you don't watch games with the sound on or haven't read articles on ESPN or CNNSI on-line over the last several months.
D. Anthony
Jabba the hoke is fat. People love fat dumb looking coaches. How else do you explain Charlie Weis with another job in college football.
That's why I asked for specific articles to read. No, I haven't read ESPN or CNNSI. But isn't it good for the "rivalry" and for college football in general if both coaches are talked up as "great?" Networks do this all the time with games, not just coaches. They'll take a so-so matchup and hype the lesser team up for ratings. How would it sound if Herbstreit said, "OSU- Michigan will be a real good game this year - You have a master in Urban Meyer leading the Bucks against Michigan, led by a yet unproven coach in Brady Hoke."
Announcers and reporters do this ALL the time - give more credit to teams, players, coaches than they might deserve becuase it's simply better for ratings and for the game if it's done this way.
So, do I care if they're lumping Hoke in the same category as Meyer? No. Hoke NC's = 0, Meyer NC's = 2. Let 'em talk up their beloved new coach - it will mean that much more when we squash them.
I also find it absolutely mind-boggling that anyone even compares the two. Now if in 3-5 years Hoke is 3-0 or 5-0 against Urban, then sure. Until then though, he's had a lousy record (~.500) overall as a head coach. I think he's just getting a lot of credit for going 11-2 against one of the softest schedules I've ever seen. I hope ND just hammers them this weekend.
I'm not sure about camparing the two, but it if you think about it, Hoke is in the position now that Urban was when he went to Florida: Urban started as a HC in the MAC @ BGSU and had some success, Hoke started as a HC in the MAC @ Ball State and had some success. Then Urban got a better job in a bigger conference (Mountain West) with Utah and had more success, Hoke got a better job in a bigger conference (also Mountain West) with San Diego State and had some success. Urban moved to a big time program that had fallen on hard times in a big time conference (SEC) w/ Florida, Hoke moved to a big time program that had fallen on hard times in a big time conference w/ Michigan. The comparisons should end there.
Now obviously we know how Urban did at Florida and it remains to be seen how Hoke will do at UM. Their head coaching stops have been pretty similar, but Urban's record is much better, although it could be argued (and it has been) that BGSU and Utah are easier places to win than Ball State and San Diego State. Regardless, Urban is now with his 2nd big time football job. This isn't his first major rodeo. For this reason, Urban and Hoke are just not on the same level, and that's not a shot at Hoke. Urban has won 2 championships and competed in the SEC. Hoke is only starting his 2nd season at UM. Time will tell how successful Hoke will be, but I love how quick people want to annoint and compare and draw conclusions that shouldn't be made yet (if ever).
If the benchmark is National Championships, Urban will likely always the better coach. As for now, Urban is the better coach in any category. Hoke's X factor might be things that you can't measure and if he beats an Urban-led OSU team half of the time, wins some B1G Championships, wins some BCS bowls and competes for a national title, I'll be pleased.
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Hail - My point is just that Hoke is in the position Urban was in at Florida: talking over a big time program that was down and working to bring them "back". Urban has been there before. Will he have the same success at OSU that he did @ Florida? I don't know. Its tough to win one title let alone two. Some have said that he was at Florida at just the right time because other "powers" in the conference were down and he was able to take advantage of that. As for how Hoke will do at UM, I'm thinking he will be able to do pretty much all the things you mentioned above, except beat OSU half the time :)
TENNBUCKEYE: Urban got the Florida job because he had great records at BG and Utah. brady got the michigan job with a sub .500 record. yes those schools had lean years but I doubt any major programs outside of michigan give him a shot and he was far from their 1st choice. he may turn out to be great but for now he's got a long way to go to be in Urban's league. brady got the job because several others passed and mainly he's " a michigan man" which usually means a guy from Ohio willing to be a fence jumper :)
D. Anthony
LOL I'm sorry but when i read threads like this one all i can think of is "Philosopher King"
hoke may become great but he's nowhere near that catagory right now
O H I O is the Buckeye State
its not even close i still think urbs is the best in college football.... im just glad meatchicken didnt get harbaugh... i though singletary was a descent coach and look what harbaugh has done with that team
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
I actually agree with this:
Urban Meyer's record at Florida (and as a promising successful coach before) speaks for itself. It is unlike Brady Hoke's CV.
But "comparisions" are not coming from people like me as far as I know. I like Kirk Herbstreit, a lot. But I think he's just providing filler, and promoting one of his network's marquee attractions.
I have no problem whatsoever acknowledging Urban Meyer's record of acheivement. I'll be even happier to make that acknowledgement if Michigan can regularly beat Ohio State.