And "a year away from championship quality," according to Todd Blackledge (PSU Alum and CF Analyst) on ESPN's PTI today. Do you agree or disagree?
Before the year began, I'd say (objectively speaking) that Michigan or Michigan State had better all around talent. After the first 3 weeks, I'd have to say that I agree with Mr. Blackledge to some extent, we're on par with Michigan at the top of the conference imo. I personally feel we're currently only a slightly above average team overall though, and probably closer to two years away from championship quality, as opposed to one. What do you guys think?
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I think they are probably the most talented team, but I disagree that they are a year from a Championship. Urban's guys will still be young, and big impact players like Marshall will only be freshman. I think 2014 is the year they win it all, or are a serious contender that could take on the likes of Bama or LSU. All the immensely talented guys on D will be Jr's and sophomores, Braxton will be a senior, the playmakers like Marshall will have a year under their belts. I say 2013 will be a great year, but 2014 is the title run.
Msu and scum if you combined their best players and made a team are not as talented top to bottom as TOSU... Combine that fact with UFM as our coach and Blackledge is right...
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I like Blackledge a lot (even though he played @ Penn State) and I respect his opinion. I think he's correct on the talent @ OSU being best in the conference. I also think by next year we can certainly compete for a national title.
Agree on all fronts. Michigan's defensive talent is still average, and MSU's offensive talent is inferior.
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I believe that Ohio State will be "championship quality" next year, but there might be 6-8 teams going into a season that fit that category.
Often, it comes down to breaks, injuries, etc.
Other times, there will be a powerhouse team (or two) that can blast its way through all potential obstacles (e.g., Miami FL in 2001 and, we thought, 2002). As long as there isn't one of those teams next year, and things break right, the Buckeyes might have a puncher's chance next year in spite of youth.
The rest of this season, Spring and Preseason camp, this offense will be championship caliber barring major injuries next season. Braxton doesn't lose any of his wideouts and Hyde, Dunn, Smith all get more experience. The line will be good-very good.
Now for the defense. Well, the offense will be championship caliber.
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^Based on what I've seen in recruiting, I think we'll have a Top 5 defense in two year's time. Next year though, you're right, could be a crapshoot. Will likely be a transitional year as guys like Spence, Washington and Shutt try to replace Simon, Williams, Goebel (and Hankins if he leaves after this year).
We do have the most talent, however the thing working against us is that the other teams players are perfectly molded into their systems. In other words we have the best talent but not necessarily the type of player that is needed for each position in the spread offense. For example, a lot of msu's players wouldn't play for osu, however all of there players are pretty good fits for the offense that they run. Going forward particularly into next year and the coming years Michigan should be some real competition but that will probably be about it. In closing, we have the most talent but not even close to the best fit for our players. Also our defense has to improve leaps and bounds if we are to be in national title talk, it probably has to be actually much better than the tressel defenses.
It's destiny. It's just what he does. 2nd year at Utah - unbeaten. 2nd year at Florida - national title. And he has more talent on this team than he did with either of those other 2.
I honestly think Nebraska is the most talented in the B1G this year.
I can't disagree with that. We should by all means have the best team, we kill the B1G in the recruiting trail. Plus we're not Georgia we don't coach down our 4-5* players!!!
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Buckeyes14- I respect your opinion but would love to hear your reasoning. They have the advantage at RB for sure and probably OL. Otherwise I don't see where they have more talent, especially with their defensive losses. If anything we might be even overall, but I'd still take OSU's cast any day.
From a talent perspective, OSU is the only team in the B1G who has players that are\will\can end up on award watch lists.
By my amateur estimation, I see the following possible. (Note, this is guys in the running, not anything anyone will end up winning)
Braxton Miller-Maxwell, Heisman, O'Brien, Unitas and Camp
John Simon-Outland and Lombardi
Jonathan Hankins-Outland, Nagurski and Lombardi
Ryan Shazier-Bednarik, Nagurski, Butkus
Bradley Roby-Bednarik, Nagurski, Thorpe.
Now, I don't think any of those names will win any of those awards this year but I wouldn't be shocked if their names crept up on the semi finalist lists at some point, at least for a few of them. I do think Roby will win a Thorpe before its all said and done and Miller will absolutley be your Heisman front runner next year. Shazier has to get the details of the game down but he might want to make a new shelf in his house pretty soon.
OSU is an immensley talented football team. They are actually winning games on talent alone so far as they have a tenuous grasp on the defense and a loose, yet slowly tightening, grasp on the offense. Not many teams in the B1G can say they are winning on talent alone. When these guys all blend the cocktail that is talent and superior coaching, the B1G as a whole and much of the nation at large is in for a very long and painfull curb stomping at the hands of OSU.
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Year two could be interesting. The players coming back know what to expect from the coaches in the off season, the competition will heat up for playing time in (spring ball), more talented hungry freshman that's ready to contribute, and coaches ready to roll instead of explaining every little detail. I say we will have a team who knows itself and a team ready to go all out! We may win it all or come close.
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OSU is going to be a top 5 team next season. They'll lose Simon, Sabino, Stoney, Hall, potentially Hankins but all 5 of those guys have their replacements loaded. To be honest, Schutt and Washington has the potential to be a terrifying DT combo with Spence coming off the edge (in addition the rest of the ends OSU is lining up!). Perkins should fill in nicely next season. Dunn and Hyde will be a devastating RB combo. Vannet doesn't have Stoney's versatility but it appears to have the tools to be a very good TE in his own right.
Next year is really going to bug the anti OSU crowd out there...
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Unless they improve drastically, not a chance they are championship caliber team. They come out struggling versus teams they should be beating by 2-3 scores at the half. I'll go on record saying I don't think Meyer wins a National Title here.
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Meanwhile Sparty is losing to directional Michigan late in the 2nd.
Its official, THE BIG TEN IS CURSED!
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I think we're the best team in the B1G, but let's be honest--it's like being the slimmest person at an Overeater's Anonymous meeting!
First, B1G is horrible...so is this really a compliment? I guess it's all how you look at it and presently I don't look at it as a good thing. We're mediocre and that's not too much to be happy about, but 4-0 is. Hopefully Tue and Wed practices will be enough time to repair all that's broken before 3:30 next Saturday in order to go 5-0. I see Bell getting about 50 carries...why not...OSU's defense hasn't stopped a good RB yet. Not sure 5-0 will be attainable for this team...guess we'll see.
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All I have to say is that Tressel was 7-5 in year 1 and then 14-0 national champions in year 2. Also Meyer's second year at a school has always been better than year 1.