Eleven Warriors

Completely agree BUCKS4REAL watch the SEC dbs play they rarely play off man which allows the line to get pressure i will never understand why almost every other team from every other conference ours esp play 10 yards or more your just giving away yards we have the dbs to do it

Florida and LSU showed us first hand the values and consequences of this, yet we have yet to learn.  Hopefully Urban hasn't forgotten this.

Thanks for the reminder, Statutoryglory.  The coverage subjectively looks worse to me (don't the DBs appear lost in space sometimes?), and yet they're stealing more passes. 

I agree with you Statutoryglory that yes the results thus far have been more picks and howard has been our best db as he is playing more consistently this year. My point was that as Redstorm45 said why are we playing 10-12 yards off every down especially if teams are still hitting passes downfield behind them. Why not bring them closer to disrupt the route or redirect even if its only enough to just hit the qb to get him thinking a little more maybe bring his confidence to stand in the pocket down. Im not saying in your face man like a yard off but close the gap. We were even playing 10 yards off when it was 3rd and less than 3 i just ask whats the point might as well give them the first everytime without making it too difficult. I also did watch the all access and the db portion about out routes but even yesterday there were numerous times when after a wr caught an out or another short route our db's were still 2-3 yards away from making the tackle cutting the starting distance helps them be on those guys quicker. I also agree that blitzing a lb would help obviously it couldnt hurt if they are hitting passes downfield anyway. Again i point to the SEC defensive schemes that ask the db's to play closer to the LOS and you tell me they dont cause turnovers. I dont know if your watching those games closer bc they cause a bunch of turnovers every week bc qb's are forced to make quicker decisions to throw into tighter spaces which is why most teams never go ham on them in the passing game bc of different looks like soft one side tight man on the other timing is never consistent. Again all im saying is we need more aggression on D this passive stuff will not cut it with Urban and how his gators D use to play. Sorry for the long post and im not a "the sky is falling type guy" im just suggesting a small change in scheme would do wonders at this point for our D as a whole esp the D-line.

It may happen...

LLJJGG thats overall a great post too i just remember of all games the purdue games of years past where all they did play after play is short routes and we would continue to play 10 yards off i hated watching those games. I also believe that a pass rush makes cover 2 exponentially difficult to march down the field on and i have noticed a better rush when spence and adolphus have been in the game. The thing they have spence doing second week into the season is dropping him in coverage. I have problems with that mainly bc hes a guy i would never have him do anything but pin his ears back and unleash him. Watch LSU they never have montgomery or mingo drop into coverage all year let alone one game they only have one job and that is to get after it. I do realize this is also bc of injuries at the moment that hes dropping back but its also a scheme that was over utilized under tressel and fickell picked it up. Again watch SEC defenses and tell me how many times any DE drops into coverage i dont understand why your two best options in simon and spence are taken out of rushing the passer at anytime. Which is why i believe their advantage is playing mixed coverages that are closer to the LOS that allows their lines to dominate. I just hope Luke can figure this out bc at this rate it can work bc the BIG is so bad but against top OOC competition it will not and Urban knows this. It may also just being vanilla schemes at this point but if its not then fickell ,who played under aggressive man coverage defenses under pagac, has not remembered how it works and i hope urban helps him. That spat with vrabs on the sideline was saying as much and as much as i hate to say it i believe predominantly zone schemes will not get it done anymore in this era of college football and the SEC is the only one to figure this out. Lastly, while as a former db i love high INT rates but i would take consistent 1 possession 3 and outs over INT's anyday of the week.