After watching LeVeon Bell today, do you guys think he is better than Carlos Hyde?
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Yes, Bell > Hyde
I think Hyde is an average osu back. Other than the dark years with Ross and co, I challenge you to name a worse full time Ohio state back in recent memory.
Hyde's limited experience has been average-but he is not an average back. Better reads by the QB can put him in better positions to look more impressive. Hyde makes the most out of almost every carry. I don't know if he is better or if MSU's line is just bad though.
You cannot compare. MSU designed this games defense to try and stop Miller and to live with RBs of OSU production while OSUs defense was totally focused on Bell. I would have to take the 2* RB from Columbus over Hyde or Hall.
Swbuckeye - not average, average for osu.
It's hard to say, my hunch is he's better. Hyde hasn't showed me alot.
My issue is how did we miss a guy that good, who played his HS ball in Columbus and let Sparty get him? We have got to stop that crap! It seemed like half of their team was from Ohio!
I hope Hyde keeps improving - glad to get the win! Go Bucs!
DEB II
Hyde showed me enough in the last few plays. Way to run hard, big man.
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A lot of people missed on Bell, wasn't Michigan State his only FBS offer? he was only a 2* recruit. I know stars mean nothing but honestly how many 2* guys get offered at OSU or even make it anywhere? 3* guys it happens a lot but not 2* guys. I am not even sure he is that great. Yes our defense was focused on stopping him, but he didn't look all that great, he didn't do much against Notre Dame either. I think Hyde will get better, he still has another year to.
The bad part for Bell and MSU fan's were he had to past Big Hank and Sabino all day. That would make most backs look average.
~Because we couldn't go for three~
I thought Hyde looked good when it wasn't a read play. When it was designed between the tackles at the end of the game, Hyde did really well. I'd like to see more of it. If he can get 5 yards a carry between the tackles, give him the football. I was disappointed with a lot of the carries Miller had today.
IMHO Hyde has not been given an opportunity to shine. He runs hard at every opportunity with many yards coming after first contact. If our line could nut'up and run block like they did at the end of the game he would be hard to stop and have stats through the roof. From what I've seen so far the power run game is not really a priority of Hermann and Meyer. I'm not sold yet on the spread offense here at tOSU, so far it's been an abomination. I also have yet to see our offense run with enough sustained brillance to tire out the opposing defense, so much for up tempo.
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Hyde's game against Nebraska last year told me he can get the job done if we give him the opportunity. He showed a tendency earlier in the game today (and earlier in the season) to just run into the pile but once he started bouncing to the outside he started picking up really good yards.
I said from the first game where Bell "exploded" onto the scene that he would not fair as well against better defenses. I did not think OSU was going to be that better defense with all those arm tackles, but they somehow figured it out for all but one play today and held him in check. He could not use his size to just break arm tackles because there were none.
I believe that Bell is a nice complimentary back but not the shining star everyone thought after his first few games against smaller defenses. Comparing Hyde to Bell... tough call. They each have there benefits and weaknesses.
Hyde is very good, Bell is better. MSU's o-line isn't that great and their QB is still learning; until he can pass (and his receivers catch) consistently, Bell won't be able to run on B1G competition and MSU will continue to struggle.
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Hyde is a very average pudgy running back. If I were him I'd look at what M.Ball did as far as losing that extra un-needed weight to get more quicks 215-220 is about where I think he needs to be.
I don't think Mariotti and Urbs are putting any pudgy running backs on the field, dude. Just sayin'...
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Wouldnt say pudgy, but his speed doesnt translate as well to this offense.
@ those saying Bell doesn't fair well against better defenses: in my opinion it has very little to do with Bell. Bell is stout, he runs hard. Today he had nowhere to run, his offensive line couldn't create holes. When Bell had one on one (or even one on two) matchups, he typically won them. The problem was that OSU perpetually had three hats on him before he could blink.
I wish him the best of luck at the next level. Have to appreciate an Ohio guy that's achieved the way he has, against all odds.
Take a look at Hyde's mid-section. Oh he has some pudge. If he ever plans on being a better back in this offense he would be wise to lose the extra around his midsection. To compare look at N.Williams waistline, he almost doesn't have one ....
Both are good, neither are great. I'll take our good guy over their good guy.
A little pudge is fine... We need 2 different types of RB's. We need a speed back and a power back. I thought Hyde looked good today when they give him the ball on designed plays. Braxton makes himself and the RB's look bad on read options.
I've never liked extra weight on my skill players especially when their lacking lateral speed/agility. At some point we're going to get the best of both worlds power/speed in the same back. I can't wait either.
I would agree Bell is better at this moment. We'll see how good Hyde can be. Our defense put forth a hell of an effort against Bell, though. Hyde outrushed Bell.
Class of 2010.
Its prob because both were big backs but Hyde timed in the 4.4s and bell in the 4.7s. Just proves again that the camp circuit and rivals stars aren't guaranteed be better than a dude who playa w q serious chip on his shoulder. And even if Hyde has some "pudge" there's no way he's not in shape. Some people just hold their body fat in their belly as a genetic trait and really can't get the "6-pack" look.
OSU did want Bell out of high school but not as a RB. He ran a 4.9 and not even MSU wanted him until they had multiple RB's kicked of the team. Read that article that said Fickle actually called Dantonio to give Bell a shot at RB.
D. Anthony
I think hyde would be a 1000 yd back for sure in a run first offense like we had in the past. Hes no beanie wells, but someone like a bigger antonio pittman maybe.
Obviously we missed out on Bell due to his evaluation but how many times have we been on the other side of that and an "below average" player became a star. Just happens to be MSU's turn this time.
I like Hyde. He may not be Eddie George, but he does pretty good with the opportunities he's given. On the option plays, I saw at least 2 times Miller kept the ball for little gain instead of pitching it to Hyde, who was open. It's almost like Miller doesn't trust him. I can't figure that out since Hyde seems to break a lot of first hits and carries a 4.5 ypg this yr. Not Heisman stuff, but a solid stat.
Hyde needs to get the rock more I still think he's an underrated back. He may not have the shiftiness of Hall but he does have breakaway speed that Hall lacks
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with CC's assement in the first comment. I think Hyde is just fine. I'm more than happy with him. He's averaging well over 4 ypc and we basically just use him as a battering ram up the middle. He hasn't gotten very many touches to do much in each of the games he's played in. He had some nice cutbacks against a very very good Mich. St. defense and even plowed straight into the teeth of the defense when it counted most and got what we needed. I'm very excited about having him back. Especially with the power and speed combo he provides in the read option game with Brax.
Plus you have to take into account that Braxton has made plenty of incorrect reads on that read option play and Hyde's been stuffed a few times because of it.
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He isn't able to make the play happen. He doesn't have that initial burst to get through the line and sneak through. He straight up got stood up by 1-2 defenders and wasn't able to use his size to make plays. His first few games he used his size advantge to make plays, he couldn't do that with a defense that wasn't undersized for his play. It only took 1-2 defenders to keep him from gaining yardage like he has been.
That shows me exactly what I predicted after the Boise game is true. When he is the biggest kid on the playground he is going to look good. When he is not he will look average.
I'm prepping the Carlos Hyde Bandwagon for next weekend. Checking the tires, wash and wax, etc.. We haven't seen this young man's best game and I hope it comes against nebraska. He's capable of a breakout game any weekend. Braxton just needs to give him the ball. Before this seasons over, ya'll will be on board.
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LOL @ these threads.
Of coarse Bell is better than Hyde.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
I don't think we've played enough games to decide how good Bell really is, but I would be surprised if he doesn't have more big games. However, the offense there is built around him and ours around Braxton so how can you really fairly compare Bell and Hyde? Hyde will never get the opportunities that Bell will, but I like Hyde - even if Bell is "better."
Bell is way better as a back. Not to take anything from Hyde but I dont think he is the best on our team...JS
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Hyde's not going to get the amount of carries to really have a breakout game. He's really only going to get 10-15 carries per game max. Especially when we have two other running backs taking several carries in Jordan Hall and Braxton Miller.