PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
There was a poll similar to this on the WWL's site. So, will they? I'm not feeling it.
I think that penn state should just give up on recruiting in 2014 bank a few scholorships for the next year and recruit 2015 really hard. That class will only have one year of a bowl ban so selling kids on playing there wont be as hard. I could see psu as a .500 team in there first couple bowl eligible seasons then working their way back up from there.
Itll be the depth issue that hurts them the most. I think itll take a solid 10 years for them to at least compete for a Big 10 title, maybe more depending on the level OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Michigan State are at. I think even in a few years, the sting of the situation still won't go away (if it ever should) and PSU could suffer even more so than expected. Also, right now the PSU fan base is all up in arms, but what happens if they average 3 wins a season for a few years? Have to figure a lot of that 'Us vs the World' mentality will dissolve and thatll add additional setbacks for the program. Im saying 10 years they are competitive in the Big 10, could somehow be less, could likely be more.
Given the reaction of most the Penn State fan base- which is to cling to old beliefs and rage against the world about "being screwed", the quality of high school football in PA, and the number of kids that therefore grew up lifelong PSU fans and believe they've suffered an injustice, this may not hurt them as much as people think.
i think they outperform most people's expectations over this punishment period and are back in their normal position- their true normal not their self-perceived normal- almost right after the ban.
If all this new child porn stuff develops into a case where all or some of this was done on PSU campus...I tend to think Delany will look for a replacement for PSU. I could be off base with this assumption but I've heard it several times on different outlets (talk radio Common Man and Torg, ESPN radio, ESPN CFB live, etc etc). I wouldn't be surprised that this could turn into nothing or possibly something way worse than we thought. Read the second to last paragraph in this artilce below. If that changes and he didn't share them but did take pictures of them in or around PSU campus...this could take a negative turn. Not a lawyer...but think this could get worse for PSU.
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
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Will the victims ever recover?
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
Something that could definitely hurt their chances is the fact that the Big10 at least appears to be upping the level of competition/spending. Us, with Meyer and all of our new assistants, as well as michigan with Mattison and company are really going to pressure the rest of the conference to up their spending which should make the conference better from top to bottom. I'll be surprised if PSU gets more than 5 wins in any of the next 5-6 seasons.
When the reality of the limitations and sanctions starts hitting home in a year or two people will most definitely start exploring other options than Penn State even if they have been fans their whole lives. They're going to be pretty bad in the next few years I would say. Maybe not as bad as some think, but I'd think they'll be sub-.500.
I cannot agree. It's the timing of the sanctions that make this not work. Even though there is only a one year bowl ban for the 2015 class, which doesn't matter much if they redshirt, the scholarship limits are still in effect for the 2016 class. They have to take 15 (give or take with accounting numbers) for 2014, 2015, 2016.
They can bank a few for '14 and recruit extra for '15, but only if they get them to enroll early and count them against the '14 class. Either way, it's counted as 15 against each class, and I do not see this working out with the size of their program for these years. They are going to need all of the legs they can get, b/c they cannot start to replinish until the '17 year when they're back up to 25 scholarships.
Penn State won't challenge to win the Leaders division in at least 10 years. They just got their first commit since the sanctions were released, a unranked to 3-star (I think ESPN is the only one who rated him a 3-star) commit who seemed to not even have a mid-major offer. Regardless of a class only facing a bowl ban for 1 or 2 years, you have to think that the major prospects care about being on a winner. These sanctions destroyed the tradition and the history of the program.
yes, they had been down, imo, a bit lately and seemed to have a decent class lined up this year. if obrian can hold it together and keep winning, they'll be "fine." after 6-8 years.
So with 15 scholorships per year lets say if they took 10 players in '14 could they take 20 in '15 with 5 early enrolees? With a good recruiting pitch I could see them getting a solid class of 20 players.
I think that is possible. However, I don't see it happening. By the time they get to PSU in '15, the team won't have enough players to give good depth, to the point that players might get injured, because their teammates should not be starting.
Depending on how many decide to transfer or leave the next class, I think they'll be okay this year, but then they're going to start to suffer more the year after, and they won't be able to start recovering until '17, '18, maybe '19 when they get more than one class of 25 to fill spots. It's pretty uncertain if that many decent players will want to come by then.
No, they will suck forever.
Okay, maybe they will recover some day. 10-15 years.
Class of 2010.
They'll recover. It will take them a while, but they'll be back in 6-8 years. This isn't SMU, it's Penn State. They're not a tiny private school in a flegling conference: they're a member of the most prestigious conference in academia (this side of the Ivy League) that's also the most lucrative conference in collegiate athletics, with a massive endowment and the largest active donor network in the country. They have a 108,000 seat stadium and a loyal fanbase that has gone through middling times before. It will take them time, since the scholarship restrictions will decimate them in two years, but they'll recover. Attendence may dwindle if the product severely drops off (which may happen if and when O'Brien gets offered an NFL gig), but they'll rebuild--their network (in terms of both monetary assets and overall population) is far too vast to not allow it.
If Hack leaves, that will be a huge problem. If he stays along with the other 2013 guys they have...it can work. Hack is that good! The guys that left were scrubs (minus Redd and Fera and maybe Brown) or players who were upset about being 3rd string! Right now, they are young and this team beat OSU last year (with Redd's help). It all depends on what kind of dinner BOB can cook up with his groceries. Agree, with Hodge, this is still Penn State, this is not SMU we're talking about.
There is not a day that goes by where I don't see a PSU fan crying on eSECpn B1G blogs about how it's not fair and then claiming what Tress did was worse.
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