Now I know there is no way in the world this actually happens, but after reading the article that was posted about him this morning, the thought popped into my head. One reason is this dudes deserves to play for a National Championship, a second reason is the impact he has on the team, it would be earth shattering to have that around for 1 more year. He can't go in the weight room alone, so he brings in quite possibly the other most athletically gifted players on the team. Can you imagine N.Spence working out with J.Simon for another year. Then add in the freshmen I'm sure he'd pick and add to the pack this upcoming year. I'm sure that the "J.Simon workout group" would grow bigger as time progressed. I know this is just a pipe dream, but Mr.Simon's impact is so GREAT and extends off the field, and I could definitely see him leading us to a National Championship.
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I actually like the idea too Bama - maybe Spence or Grant can become that next guy, I think that is UFM's hope.
A true leader leaves behind more leaders than followers
Cause I couldn't go for three
That would be punishing the kid for all his hardwork, though it makes sense it doesnt make football sense
Simon will go play in the NFL for a few years and then come back and take the Mickey Marotti job "in waiting". Urban already straight up admitted to him hiring Simon whenever he wants a job.
When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."
Go to the NFL and get your money...
It almost makes sense but I say let him go out and kill it this year. He probably wouldn't let them redshirt him even if they wanted to...
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I think we all can agree that John Simon is a special person, and player, and any program would benefit from having him around. I don't think its punishing the kid, but I for one would love to see him in the NFL, and I think he would fit great with a team such as the Patriots. This was just a random thought, and wanted to hear some other views on the topic. Would love to see him, and Bosa in the weight room together though. Now that would be a sight!
You know, one thing not to lose sight of here dudes-guys come back to their colleges to work out. OSU has some of the absolutle best workout facilities and a lot of ex players do a lot of off season work in the Bus. Safe to assume that when he goes pro (he will, just not in the first round :D) he'll be back in the WHAC getting his pump on. Not quite the same as a team mate doing it but I can assure you the place will be abuzz if\when an ex player works out in front of current players.
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LOL, will never happen. We bring in big time recruits to reload graduating players like Simon or early entries like possibly Hankins. You dont redshirt 1st team All-Big ten and All-Americans for nothing..silly idea.
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Yep. It will never happen.
A) There pretty much won't be a huge need for him next year with all this talent.
B) Dude is a hot commodity and will go into the NFL and make bank. Why risk a bird in the hand.
If there was any player OSU needs to come back I would much rather say Stoneburner. He is much more needed as a TE than Simon as a DE. Not to mention Joey "Simonesque" Bosa will be on the team next year. Those 2 together in the same gym would be a bad idea! It might crumble.
with all the workout freaks getting some love.... im surprised i havent heard anything about shazier, didnt he put on like 14 lbs of muscle in the off season?
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If you think John Simon will just be replaced you better think again, his presence will be missed. It wouldn't be red-shirting him for "nothing" ... but I degress
He's a great player and leader but one defensive end doesn't win you a title. Football is the ultimate team game. Now basketball would make more sense because one man CAN win you a title If the surrounding cast is decent.
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Shazier has been hitting the gym with simon for his 6 am workouts. Along with curtis grant. Either one of those guys have the potential to step into simons leadership role on defense. simon also said noah spence has been joining him for his morning workouts as well. The only thing I hope is that simon doesn't hear of this talk of redshirting. Trying to tell him he needs to take a year off from absolutely punishing opponents on saturdays wouldn't go well. and this is the year you really need him. To set the tone for what's to come from this program. Physicallity, intensity and 60 minutes of relentless pursuit and chaos.
This is Simon and Boren's team in my humble opinion. If Urbs only does three captains, I'm leaning towards Sabino being the third. A fourth would be...um...little help here dudes. No clue. Would have been Stoney, maybe Hall? Not sure.
With that said, Ryan Shazier will be the next great Ohio Stater. I mean that in more ways than just his performance on the field. Dude has the makings of being one of those guys fans fall in love with and remember fondly for years-much the way I look at Will Smith or AJ Hawk (who was only a two star InB4Denny). Ohio State will replace Simon just fine, as sad as it will be to see him go (in the 4th round of the NFL draft...cough).
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John Simon is a great leader and I'm hoping his leadership rubs off on the younger guys. That being said we are loaded right not on the DL we need to keep guys moving through. I would love to see Simon redshirt for our run in 2013 but that will cut back PT on guys like Bennett Bosa Spence Washington that could be the next big breakout DL. Keep in mind Hankins said he's staying next year unless he's the number one overall pick
Why just one senior?
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Guess that's why you added your pointless comment.
brewsters u had something when you told me simon wasnt a first rounder ( i didnt like it but understand where you are coming from) however, being a gambling man ill give you +300 on simon going in the 4th round or later... no way the guy gets past the third... 10+ sack yr + setting the bench press reps record+being a coach on the field+what his coaches say about him= no 4th rounder
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Meyers last favorite player, one tim tebow, wasn't supposed to be a first rounder either. Keep in mind some guys have been first rounders with less character and less impressive accomplishments than simon. He's not just a workout wonder. He's a solid player with an unstoppable attitude and an endless motor. Its become pretty obvious from anyone who's come in contact with john simon that he is as advertised...a humble, focused and team first guy who is as impressive physically as he is as a person. Not saying that translates to a first round pick...but you have to believe that gms and coaches are going to be putting an emphasis on a guys character going forward. What would you rather have...a guy who has all the talent in the world and character issues that may cripple him in the league. Or a guy who is maybe not fit the traditional mold of what you're looking for, but makes up for it with an endless desire and passion to make himself and those around him better?
If Ryan Kerrigan can be a 1st rounder, Simon can as well. One more year with monster production and you never know.
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The bench is a solid measure and scouts will go goo-goo over Simon's numbers when he throws 225 up a stupid amount of times. I wonder what his 40 will be-which is stupid regardless because a Defensive lineman shouldn't ever have to run 40 yards. His Shuttle and Cone will go a long way in changing my mind but his short arms and 'tweener' build has me doubting he goes much earlier than the 4th. I'll concede that the third is as high as I can see him going and anything beyond the 4th will be a steal because he has a world of intangibles to go along with his strength. If he goes in the first, I won't be mad or upset-I'll just think some GM somewhere failed at his job and reached but I'll be happy for John Simon. He just doesn't resemble either a pure end or pure tackle.
Don't short sell Kerrigan. He is an animal and has a superior build to Simon. An extra two inches and long arms go a REAL long way. Again-Simon can be a first rounder is someone jumps up and likes what they see but at no point in his career has he looked like a first rounder to me. In my opinion, a first round pick isn't a mystery. There really isn't room for "well maybe, we'll see" when it comes to being on of the best 32 prospects available. Simon is a great football player and will add value to any team he's on but someone botched their pick if he goes in the first.
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i also think what hurts him this yr is the surplus of stud dlineman... but, there is no way the guy makes it to the 4th round.
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I understand and agree completely..he'll bench prob high 30's maybe early 40's. 4.7-4.8 40. It's easy to say he won't go 1st round because of the reasons you said. It all really depends on the D-ends coming out. If there aren't that many standout caliber prospects than John will go high. If there is than he'll prob be pushed back more.
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Either way going in the 1st round is over rated. A smart team like the Patriots will probably snatch John up in the 2nd or 3rd day and he plays pro football for years to come .
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brewsters, u are right in what you say. there are always exceptions though elvis dumervill is 5 10 and has been a 2 time pro bowler while leading the entire league in sacks in 09....
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Jason-I've been thinking Simon has New England written all over him since this discussion started a while back in another thread.
Rick-Guess what round Elvis got picked? And for the record, I'm not saying he can't be a good pro. He really can. I just think he won't be taken with the idea that he can make an immediate impact on a team the way a first rounder absolutley has to. If a team needs help at DE, they will go find a more 'pure' DE for right or wrong. 6'2-6'5. 250-275 with the arms and speed to match. If a team needs a DT, they'll head in a more traditional direction. 6'1-6'4. 295 and up. Tweeners SHOULDNT be first round picks (sometimes are). I'm just playing what history tells us. Again-I love John Simon, but he's not even the best defensive lineman on this team.
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I have to disagree about that last sentence. I think he is the best lineman on the team. No offense to big hank.
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hank def has the bigger upside. but i think urban has said it enough times, john simon is the leader of this team, therefore he is the best for this team. i mean tebow isnt a good qb at all but he helps his team win alot of games. kyle orton is a better qb than tebow, but orton was 1-4. tebow took that same 1-4 team and took them to the playoffs past pitt... so is john simon the best on the dline no, but he is by far the most valuable bcuz he makes everyone around him better. taking underclassmen with him to lift... showing the freakishly gifted ppl how to work hard... not saying big hank doesnt work hard but ive never heard a coach give compliments the way meyer has of simon... mid 2nd rounder early third.... and im aware where dumervill went but if the gms in football had that draft again would he be top 15? thought so... there are very few things nfl gms like more than a kid that can get to the qb
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A lot going on there Rick. You are getting off point. The point isn't who Meyer has christened his team leader. The point is where does John Simon get drafted. Now I'm assuming Hankins goes out and he is an absolute sure fire first round pick and John Simon isn't. Er Go-John Simon isn't as good of a lineman as Hankins. I couldn't care less who the better 'leader' is. Also-Elvis Dummervil overcomes short size with an incredibly fast first step and excellent leverage. Of course every GM would say they missed on him-that means nothing for John Simon. Come draft day, no GM will say "well man, I missed on Dumervill, I better take Simon now". Thats a null point.
As for Tim Tebow-That whole thing was smoke and mirrors. Vince Young won a bunch of games in a row too one time. Clearly the Broncos liked Tebow so much...he isn't a good QB and got shipped off-now the Jets can fall in love with bad.
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there was a lot going on there, i enjoy debating with you.... so are you saying if you are an nfl gm you would play orton over tebow cuz hes the better qb?
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Yep. Tim Tebow's wins were a study in how crazy the NFL is. He also had the benefit of a big legged kicker in Mile High so normal game winning drives only had to get within 65 yards for Prater to win games. Over the long term, 16 game season, teams will catch up to what Tebow does and his 'ability to win' is useless.
If you score against Denver and force Tebow to go TD for TD with any QB in the NFL, he's going to lose. He certainly had a knack for a big play when it mattered but New England (twice) , Buffalo and Detroit all had the book on him. Make him make throws and play QB for4 quarters and Denver loses. 'Tebow Time' doesn't come into play when he can't keep up with better QB's for three quarters.
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Hey, I never said John Simon is replaceable. I know he is not. But its not like this defensive line is going to suck without him. there is still alot of good players when he leaves. Hence why I said "There pretty much won't be a huge need" instead of "we don't need him"!
Despite my comment, I agree with the thought that this is a dumb post. Simon red shirting is about as likely to happen as I am going to win the powerball tonight!
"but the powerball isn't tonight!" BINGO!!!
wow thats impressive (sarcasm)... i feel like i can find you 35 kyle ortons.... find me one other tim tebow... that team won because he is a leader of men... furthermore he passed pretty descent against minnesota and oakland...im not sayin he is an elite passer or even good... what im arguing is the importance of a tremendous leader.... craig krenzel wasnt a great qb either but he was a leader, and lead he did, all the way to a nc... tim tebow nc.... ask urban who he would rather have? tebow or orton nuff said
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My answer to your question is Urban Meyer would be dumb.
Just because Hankins is projected to go higher than Simon in the draft doesn't make him a better lineman. Hankins is so valuable to the pros because he's a big fat athletic nose Tackle. It's hard to find those guys that can move and make plays while being big and fat..there's more of a premium on them..like QB, Corner, LT.
Simon has played every position on the line since he arrived in 09. Even being a key rotator on perhaps the deepest D-line in the Tressel era(2009) as a true freshman. He jut got better and better each year and his numbers were great last season and prob will be better this year. It's all opinion I guess. Better college player..Simon..better pro prospect Hankins.
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You keep asking questions to lead to the answer you want. I don't want to find another Tim Tebow. He is a bad NFL quarterback. The team won because he had an opportunistic defense and mega legged kicker that allowed him to work short fields (except against Chicago-who with Cutler would have cut Denver to ribbons) and allowed him to make one or two plays. If anyone deserves credit for Denver's miraculous run its Von Miller-he absolutely devastated teams. But to play your game-I'll find you another Tim Tebow-Vince Young. He did the exact same thing in an unorthodox method and is now a back up in Philly after being out of football. You went from pro talk to college-Tim Tebow was a superb college player. That isn't what we are arguing either. If we are playing big boy, NFL football and you want to take Tim Tebow then by all means have fun with him and his %48 completion percentage. You know what happens to flukes in the NFL? They ger reminded of why they are flukes. If\When Tebow beats out Mark Sanchez for a few starts, do you think DC's on NFL football teams are going to be surprised? No. They are going to rush 4, drop 7, keep contain, make him throw and laugh all the way to the bank.
In the NF-damn-L you had better be a lot more than just a tremendous leader. Ray Lewis is that. Brian Urlacher is that. Tom Brady and Eli Manning are that. You know what else they are? Damned good at their jobs. Tim Tebow inspires. Great. And he short hops more than half of his passes and couldn't read a defense if he used Rosetta Stone. The guy sucks at his position and the NFL will (already has) catch up to him. And then he'll be a great cheer leader.
Tebow is worthless when the opposition plays to its normal caliber. He beats bad teams and all of a sudden is a savior? The ONLY thing I will concede is that he hit a slant route against Pit that Thomas did 80 percent of the work on. And then...a week later when Tebow couldn't keep pace with Tom Brady, what happened? EXACTLY WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO. Football is a weird game and strange things happen but when you force Tebow to make plays on multiple drives in multiple quarters you flat out dominate his team. He isn't good and he won because teams were caught off guard. Nothing more. He is bad at football.
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bad at football? a bad qb you can argue...well, but being a bad football player is a complete and utter lie. bad football players dont win 2 natl championships and a heisman. bad football players dont even play on a highschool team. for someone as smart as you are thats just wrong. anyone who gets to the nfl is a good football player, hell anyone who gets to d-1 program is a damn good football player.
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When you are so bad at the position you are supposed to be playing, you are bad at football.
But if it is that important that we pick nits-Then fine. He was a great college player. He sucks at NFL Football specifically.
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in the words of the great herman edwards "you play to win the game" this aint a beauty pageant, although hes such a winner hed prolly win that 2. lol
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Back to if Simon was redshirted.
He'd prob go ape-crap and start knocking down buildings.
If he's such a winner why'd Denver let him go? Because they have a real QB and are instantly better with him.
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well then since peyton is so good and tebow is so bad... does that make the broncos a lock for the championship? that awful player got them 2 games away sir and took his team farther than 25 other teams. if he was that bad they prolly woulda kept down the 1-4 path but o wait they didnt so he must have been doing something right cuz the only thing that changed is the qb
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Just because there are better modern style QB's doesn't mean Tebow starting at QB for a team is bad. I hated it when people trashed Dilfer as a QB, yet he seemed to find ways to win. Everyone wants to give credit to the D and the kicker, who deserve a ton of credit, but Tebow LED the team by the teams own admission. He's not going to dazzle you with stats or 18 TD's a game like the TOP NFL QB's, but he can be a starter in this league worth keeping. He makes things happens and has a way of doing enough to put the team in a position to win. he;s not the Manning or Brees type guy who is going to win the game for you, but that isn't necessary always.
He's adequate as an NFL QB, not a top 10, not a top 15 probably. But with 32 starting QB spots he is NFL starting quality and has shown capability in his first season of play to make a positive difference at the QB position. It doesn't have to be brees or bust...
I would think the Broncos have a dang good chance of making it far into the playoffs with Peyton given the talent level difference between the two if he returns to former skill levels. I personally have a man crush on peyton Manning and think he is the best QB fo all time.
peytons insanely good but imo montana dwarfs all
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You keep jumping to things I'm not saying but whatever, its a slow season so I'll keep at it.
1) Denver is in better hands. Lock for a championship? No. Where did I say that?
2) Why does Tim Tebow and only Tim Tebow get credit for the Broncos success? They were the top rushing team in the NFL, had a 1200 yard rusher in Willis MacGahee, and had the most destrutive defense player in the league last year with Von Miller. They also had a kicker who blasted multiple long field goals to win-kicks better QB's would have gotten much closer than Tebow. Tebow was getting credit for putting out fires he started. Just winning isn't the only benchmark.
3)HUH? Kyly Orton ran a read option in Denver? They changed a hell of a lot more than Tim Tebow. This is insane. I feel like I'm taking Crazy pills right now.
4) statistically, Tim Tebow was actually the 28th best QB in the NFL by rating, 34th best (meaning the worst) in Comp %.
You've gone out of your way to make assumptions so I'm going to ask you a simple question, please answer it.
If winning is all that mattered, why isn't Vince Young a starter for the Titans anymore?
Edit-Montana "Dwarfs" all? Elway, Marino, Brady, Manning are all dwarfed by Joe? Come on dude....this is getting ugly. For the record Tom Brady (the greatest QB ever) has more yards, TD's, less INT's more wins, more Game Winning drives, less INT's a better com percentage, a better QB rating so by my metrics (stats) and yours (winning) Tom technically...um...'dwarfs' Joe.
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Simon with out a doubt is a "MAN AMONG BOYS" in the weight room....As far as the younger guys go alot of them are strong young men....Didn't see B.Price's name on here so better let ya know....Found out from a friend who is friends with his dad...The kid owns every lifting record @A. Fitch....Is compared to J.Simon in the gym(by people up here), a constant pushing for more attitude and a motor that doesn't stop ! Bosa is no doubt a strong young man, cannot wait to see him and Price on that D-line in the future....All of our BUCKEYE's are special kids !
1 these are opinions no reason to get hyped up
2 as far as personel they changed nothing, except for getting rid of eddie royal and brandon lloyd
3 montana is 4-0 in super bowls 11 td 0 int
4 @ bingo thats awesome to hear! i hope he keeps it up... do you know if he works hard in academics?
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3.75 GPA
Who is getting worked up?
For the record, your reasons are all subjective and thats cool but Brady has one less ring than Joe-Terry Bradshaw is the same in terms of Super Bowl Perfection. THAT one stat does it for you? We're done here. Your own Tebow thoughts on wins has Brady ahead of Joe all time and one behind in rings (which he will get this year). Tom never had Jerry and his two losses in SB's are no fault of his own.
We got way off topic. John Simon=3rd round pick.
Good discussion Rick! And I mean that. Tone doesn't come across via text and I'm not being sarcastic.
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Wait, nobody is going to point out that it was resident of Alabama that brought up the topic of redshirting a perfectly healthy player?
I keeed, I keeed.
lol, tone is unreadable in discussion forums... terry bradshaw threw more ints than tds... no fault of brady? he still didnt win, great players win when it matters most imo. and as far as super bowl numbers go noone will ever touch joe. i think his rating is like 127.5 without looking it up...yea whats up with redshirting perfectly healthy players ?? lol
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