The tweet rumors of charlie strong and better odds of winning big east can only mean a few things, locking up james quick being one of em.. Say it aint so!
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hope not... get them grades up shelton!!!
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
Quick was a Louisville lock 2 months ago....not so much any more.....
The tweet was about Strong winning THIS year..
Quick would not help until 2013
Strong has been getting pwned in recruiting as of late and some recent talks with james quick with some of my Trinity Alumni friends are saying he's really looking to leave louisville. Big name players from the big 2 in KY (St.X and Trinity) leave the state almost 90% of the time. Also I can almost state with certainty that Quick will not decide before the season starts. He wants to check out Mizzou, tOSU, UofO, and UL's offensive schemes before he commits (he wants to make sure the offense will be commited to getting the ball to the wideouts from what i've been told.)
Rural is right. I am hearing similar things from some of the Trinity coaching staff. There is a chance he stays in Louisville, but with Hatcher to USC and Ryan White to Vandy, I think Quick may be more inclined to look outside of the state.
Edit: Also, Rural are you from the Louisville area?
Relax
Alex, Why do you say he was a LOCK a couple of months ago but not so much now?
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got nine guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time." -- Urban Frank Meyer -- I LOVE THIS DUDE!! :)
@Smith No i'm from columbus but I go to school an hour north of louisville. Many of my friends played football for either trinity or St.X and are huge louisville fans. He's kind of been my guy to keep up on so I can report it to all my fellow buckeye fans.
Buckeye.
F--- Michigan!
@ Rural, I am sort of the reverse. I played for Trinity in the mid 2000s and then attended OSU. I may know some of your friends, depending on when they graduated. I still try to keep up with the team as much as possible. My fall weekends are pretty stressful, I have Trinity Friday's followed by OSU Saturday's.
Its a lock, he was always gonna go there.
@Smith doesnt sound like too bad of a problem to have. Trinity is a gnarly program and it's nice to have a decent pipeline to OSU there. They stress academics and class and I think thats what sends alot of their top athletes to schools like tOSU
Future Buckeye.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
He's visiting three schools soon for official visits (Ohio State, Louisville, and Oregon with possible visits to Cincinnati as well as Kentucky). I can see OSU getting him if the offense is good as it can be. He's only going to choose Louisville if he feels pressured to go where his dad did.
Per ESPN's Jared Shanker twitter...not sure how reliable it is but for what it's worth...
James Quick, one of #OhioState's final top targets will be officially visiting http://t.co/Tad2CkBK #Buckeyes #Louisville #Oregon #Ducks
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
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That and I'm sure Trinity recruits. I went to a small catholic school in KY and we recruited for soccer and track. I have a friend who went to Trinity as a wrestler and he lived pretty far from Louisville, but got recruited to go there. Along with their past reputation and legacy students, they have quite a pull from the south central KY region for sure.
Why the suddent change in tune? Before, everyone was picking Quick to Louisville. Now, it sounds like most think OSU. What changed?
There was a post a while ago, a rumor about Quick not being able to trust some coaching staff. Other half of the rumor if that Louisville was selling people on moving to the Big 12 and some other things that didn't pan out. Saw this somewhere on one of the threads, FWIW.
Quick and Timmons both to Kentucky. Possibility
The chances of James Quick to UK is almost zero, on the other hand timmons could be but there is still a year left of recruiting and I would imagine a better school giving him an offer down the road.
@Scarlet Most blogers and osu fans were so enamored with Robert Foster they didn't pay close enough attention to the quick situation. A lot of recruits committ very early now of days and they were expecting the same for quick, and up to about a month or two ago the signs were that UofL was going to have a strong recruiting class in which to pull quick into.
Quick and Timmons is a possibility like me walking on to the basketball team is a possibility.
Quick will go to OSU or UL, Timmons likely to Arkansas, but the point is UK<anywhere
I hear USC has visited Timmons as well, along with Wisconsin and Nebraska. But UK is still in the pic with Arkansas leading. Quick is opening up to UK some. I am happy these two young men are strong willed and not willing to jump at an offer to only negate and break their word. A person is only as good as their committment. Beware of those jumping ship.
I live in Louisville. There is no talk about Quick right now. It is all about this current year. As far as I know Quick is in high school camp is working hard for this season. He is not looking at college at the moment like most of the recruits out there. Now is the time to just chill on recruiting a bit and get into training camp mode and start thinking about this year. You will most likely not hear much from any recruit for a while except those that are still having fun with it all. But really they don't have time right now, its about school in 2 weeks and senior football right now!
Their first game is in 2 weeks on the 17th. I actually might try to go to this game just to watch and bring my nephews. but don't worry, I have no intention of trying to talk to the kid.
I really feel that if Quick were sold on his hometown team of Louisville, he would have already committed before his season starts. I think this is a positive for the Buckeyes.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
^^^I hope you're right because we don't seem to be doing too well with offensive recruits. Besides Jalin and Ezekiel, I don't see any playmakers in this class. That scares me because we lacked playmakers last year as well.
"because we lacked playmakers last year as well." I think that is scaring off potential recruits as well. We haven't shown a dynamic offense yet to entice them yet.
tOSUman, don't forget about Taivon Jacobs in addition to Jalin and Zeke.
@Steensn I will agree to that.
@Bassplayer7770 I guess I did forget about him to some degree. Although he is not highly rated, I think he has potential to be very dangerous with that speed.
yea i think jacobs is gonna be nasty in the open field... mariotti will put 20 lbs on him and he will be ready to go
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
^^^I hear what your sayin, thats why i don't understand passing on Green and Foster...Don't forget about Taivon Jacobs though, this caoching staff will most definately know how to get a weapon like that in prime position to make big plays.
This is true. Other than Barret at qb, Baugh at te, Elliot at rb, and Jacobs and Marshal at wr, this recruiting class hardly has any playmakers.
LOL @ Saturday. You're right, but I was thinking mostly about Receivers and Backs.
T.Jacobs is a 4*.
Agreed AHH SATURDAY. If we pick up Quick, this offense will be almost unstoppable a few years down the road. Quick is an absolute beast, I dont think there's a single class that has better playmakers then a potential combo of Elliot, Baugh, Marshall, Barrett, Jacobs and Quick
Yeah I don't know what this "no playmakers" business is. If we're not satisfied with the number one Dual Threat QB, a sub 4.4 WR, a top 10 ATH, a huge, quick TE, and a top 5 APB, then I guess we'll never be satisfied.
Uh, yeah, guys. We won't need Quick to make this O hum. As fans, we'll be treated to at least 2-3 years of numbing shock after the Jim Bollman era. We might even find out what a TE is. Urban is going to make Stoneburner a lot of money in the NFL and Baugh or another TE will be an All American.
And another thing, these guys don't become playmakers and get that label until they do so at the Shoe. I don't care what they did in HS. Reality is, half of the 4-5 stars won't pan out. The best you can do is recuit heart, effort, and competitive spirirt with these kids, like Urban does, and hope that formula works.
Squirrel is right. Talk will be about this year and don't be surprised if you do not hear much from Quick now that the season is about to start. He may take some visits, but I don't expect much else. The Trinity coaching staff will have that whole team focused on the season at hand, not outside distractions. The welfare of the team is stressed versus the wants and goals of the individual, especially when they are hoping to win another national title. Coach Beatty is similar to Meyer, in that he aims to beat any notions of greatness out of the players throughout the summer and during camp.
Per a FB friend whose son plays for Trinity, the talk at Trinity's Green/White game are saying he's OSU bound.
Thanks for sharing.
Do any of you know who Kentucky High School coaches named as the top player in the state irregardless of class? Do you also know more specifically how the Louisville High school coaches voted. And this was a Louisville newspaper poll. I think all of you would be surprised how coaches who saw these kids in action voted.
I am talking top vote getter on All State Team
Let me guess...Timmons.
To waycraken and all: "Irregardless" is not a word.
P.S. We get it, you like Timmons. So do we, and coach Meyer and co. However, Quick is the type of reciever the coaches seem to be focusing on right now, shown by the staff suddenly pulling out of the Whitfield race. Let's drop it
To BuckyBoy the authoritive one lets learn something this morning, and then drop it
Irregardless is an informal term commonly used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since the early twentieth century, though the word appeared in print as early as 1795. [1] Most dictionaries list it as "nonstandard" or "incorrect".
Quick and Tlmmons tied. 42 votes each. Quick is a special player that even Trinity sees only so often. Having Michael Bush and Quick is a luxory only your top tier programs has.
@Buck I.8 ... I didn't know we stopped recruiting Whitfield. Damn! That sucks, that guy has "special" speed. I think he would've made a nice addition to OSU.
@Waycraken ... Hey keep hoping you never know what might happen in the world of recruiting. We had M.Baugh, T.Jacobs (who by the way I wanted in this class) and Gardner commit to the surprise of everyone. So if you want to keep pushing the guy I'd rather read about that then what some of these other guys are posting.
@Bama It was never official news, but you can infer when a guy suddenly stops talking about a school, has no plans to visit, and puts out a different top 5 than he had like, 3 days before.
@Waycraken Excellent use of wikipedia, now I feel silly... not.
@Waycracken: Trinity never had Michael Bush. That would be Male. We did beat Michael Bush in "the greatest high school game ever" though. Also, it is my personal opinion that the reason some of the coaches voted that way was because it is Trinity and they would rather not see it go to a Trinity or St. X player. I am not taking anything away from Timmons, he is a great player. But the level of competition he plays is not even close to that of Quick.
It is sad for a coach to take his vindictiveness (is this a word?) for a program on a kid. If that was truly the case i would think Quick would not have had that many votes because Trinity and Lex Cath are not thought of highly for the perception they have associated with their programs. Kind of like Moeller in the old days and St Ignatius.
Trinity and St. X is pretty much hated throughout Louisville. Either you are one of them or against them. They are the biggest rivalry in Louisville and from what I believe is accurate, the biggest outside of perhaps Texas. The big game each year is sold out big time and is always big news here locally. Of course I am not from here so I only know the past 5 years. Schools like Male, Ballard and the lowly Atherton (my nephew goes there) all hate St. X and Trinity. Which one you hate more depends on what side of town you are on. Being an outsider, I don't care. I want to see the future buckeyes and will go to any game to see them.
Even though my nephew goes to neither of them yet, I will get him to go see Quick.
Agreed. Living in Lexington I can tell you the only two schools I hear about are Trinity and St.X. That being said I think Canton McKinley vs Massillion Washington in northeast Ohio might be the biggest rivalry in high school sports. Only High School football game that gets odds in vegas last i heard. Might be different now.
http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=866242
I have heard St X Trinity draws 35000 every year.
St X and Elder put 47K in Paul Brown Stadium one year. Trinity St X is a huge rivalry, but every city has one. I've seen Boone County here in NKY draw over 15K for games before, granted those were the Shaun Alexander days. People do hate Trinity. People hate any school that is good though. Highlands here in NKY is hated because of their success, they have the most state titles in KY by a team not named Trinity. Granted most of theirs were AA or AAA division but they have gone to Cincinnati and beat the big boys before too.
Trinity vs. St. X has been called the largest (crowd wise) annual rivalry in high school football because it brings around 35,000 to 40,000 a year. I think the rivalry ranks about 3rd or 4th in terms of tradition and such behind Massilon v. Canton McKinley and a some others.
In terms of everyone in KY hating Trinity and St. X, that is very true. I lived through it. I was spit on, cussed at and had some extremely disturbing things yelled at me, and it wasn't uncommon to hear the ping of a rock or coin off your helmet as you entered away stadiums. At a few away games we had to have police escorts off the field and we always had to keep our helmets and shoulderpads on when leaving an away game in case some crazy fan would pull crap like that. This past year I heard rumors that some of the premier players (Quick, Hatcher, White, Wright, Dawkins) had even received personal threats and so the school had to boost security even more than when I was there.
It is sad that "adults" can have so much hatred for kids who are playing a game.
I would agree that is sad. And on the opposite side of that argument their is a perceived amount of arrogance and inherited superiority that some of these programs portray. The programs mix in this talent and infiltrate the program not because of academics or liking the kid but to further their kids chances of a scholarship
Still praying for Timmons to be a Buckeye!
hoping too that timmons is a buckeye. cant wait to see him play his senior season here in frankfort.
UKUK@dbev and buckeyetu. At one time I would have agreed with you. Quick had a luxory Timmons did not have. 1 a high profile team to play for and 2. The games I went to he received single coverage. Thankfully Timmons had a team, coaching staff and a very good D1 quarter back to find a way to get him the ball even though 2-3 were always assigned to defend him.
@bucknbama. I thank you for that encouragement. I take it that you live in Bama now and you see the type of player Timmons is more frequently than what OSU fans are use to seeing and sit back and wonder why they cannot beat an SEC team. Timmons has been contacted by every SEC team. They know he is a family type of kid with 30 or so church family members attending every game. He wants to play close to home on a very good team and loves OSU. My guess he ends up SEC Arkansa, S Carolina LSU Alabama or Uk
Was jus watching ESPN greatest college plays and at number 2 was Joe Adams from Arkansas who Bobby Petrino has said Timmons will be his Joe Adams. Petrino is now gone but Timmons remains their no. 1 target.
@waycraken OSU has struggled against the sec teams bc of the speed of sec teams dline, not bc lack of quality skilled position players.
Name the last great QB. RB. WR. TE the buckeyes produced in the NFL. Holmes is the only decent one that comes to mind and he is far from great.
Gonzo did well before injuries, Beanie is the main guy in Arizona, Michael Jenkins is having a pretty nice career, Jake Ballard was doing well in NY before destroying his knee. I'll give you QB but OSU hasnt been irrelevant in the other positions
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
and yes i realize you said great, i was just proving that we produce a good amount of good players
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Umm Holmes was a Super Bowl MVP. Pretty sure that's great.
@Buck I.8 ... When did he put out his top 5?
@Waycracken ... I like Timmons myself, and would love to see him, and Whitfield in this class, but it just doesn't look like its going to happen ... buuuut, you can never be certain of anything w/recruiting.
Not to jump into the SEC speed conversation but name the last great NFL QB that came from Alabama, LSU and Florida? Unless you think Tebow is great, you will struggle to answer that one.
It is absolutely the defensive speed that has allowed the SEC teams dominate. Bama hasn't had a dominating offense, great running game but not a passing jaugernaut, in the past 3 years they won the championship twice. It is all defense. LSU couldn't score on anyone who had a decent defense, yet they went undefeated because they had the best defense by far. Meyer is building the defense front 7 like he is for a reason, they win championships. The greatest thing about Urban is that he gets the defensive superiority even though he is an offensive genius. He knows to recruit the talent on defense, get a couple of fast guys on offense and he will mold them into a scoring machine. But he definitely brings the talent necessary in on defense even moreso.
before offensive stats are thrown out, remember the SEC plays creampuffs with their out of conference schedule. That is where they rack up offensive numbers.
LSU played Oregon, and West Virginia ... Neither of those teams were/are cream puffs.
Yeah i wouldnt talk creampuff schedules compared to SEC. Most any SEC team plays 6 or more regular season games against Top 20 teams. Thats what makes them so tough come bowl season. ND is only other team that comes close to SEC scheduling.
SEC quarterbacks. Easy, Matt Stafford just had the 4th most prolific passing season in NFL history with over 5,000 yards.
@sqirrell. I give you the QB position is pretty much a draw. But I mentioned all offensive skill positions WR RB. TE.
Defense speed is good but do I need to remind the big scores ran up against OSU by the SEC offenses. Brandon Saine had as much speed as anyone in the country but Tresselball did not know how to utilize it. With Meyer we will see a much better offense.
Dont forget the Mannings either.
@BuckChi206 I think Squirrel's point was that the ELITE teams from the SEC who've won NCs have done it mostly with their defenses and not their QBs. Thinking about it, out of the last 10 or so national champions, the only team who's QB has had any kind of success in the NFL is Cam Newton and Auburn and that still remains to be seen if he can repeat his performance from last year.
Original comment was all skill positions
Newton was great last year
Marquis Haynes (DE) who was a L'ville commit, decomitted recently... What is going on at L'ville? That is 2 decommits in about a week and a L'ville lean that headed elsewhere... Plus, Quick is looking at more schools now.
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@Bama Oregon and West Virginia are not even close to being vaunted defensive teams. Come on man! You know that. LSU QB's combined for 2000 passing yards. They are not big time offensive programs: Bama, LSU and Florida. They are better on defense then they are offense.
@Waycraken At least 5 of those 6 top 20 teams are SEC teams. Bama's bigtime out of conference game was Penn State last year. The others: Kent State, North Texas and Georgia Southern. I am not saying OSU has a tougher schedule, but outside of LSU I don't see many SEC teams schedule a lot of out of conference bigtime programs! LSU's schedule was tough, but don't tell me it was their offense that won those games. The Mannings? I asked for LSU, Bama and Florida QB's, the teams that have dominated the nation the last decade. Not QB's from years ago that were on crappy teams anyways. and you are basically proving my point, the best offensive talent in the past decade (Cam Newton, Stafford, AJ Green) are all not from Bama, LSU and Florida. Those teams have won with defense, not offensive speed. "The big scores rung up on OSU by SEC teams", those games were all dominated by defense. Don't you remember Florida's Dline killing OSU's Oline? I remember OSU's offense getting killed by their defense, not the other way around. Most of Florida's scoring drives were short yardage because OSU couldn't move the ball against Florida. LSU had the best Dline in the nation in 2007! Glenn Dorsey was a monster!
If you think its offensive skill players that Urban wants the most, then why all the Dlinemen? Why was his first big recruit was a 5* DE? Urban knows its "SEC speed Dlines" that wins championships. Urban can teach anyone who can run at least a 4.5 to play offense. Not to mention there is also the story of Hyde running 4.3's. Urban builds offensive speed, he recruits defensive speed!
and I am not arguing with any of you that offensive speed is necessary. It just isn't the reason those teams are dominating the nation.
Offensive teams? According to Rivals.com for 2011, Alabama is the highest rated offensive team around 30 and only one in the top 30 or so. Defense, 4 teams in the top 15. Bama and LSU are 1 and 2. Its defenses guys, they dominate games and win championships. Not having the offense OSU had last year would help. Doesn't mean the offense has to be in the top 10 to win a championship.
Cannot disagree with your points.
@Waycraken Eddie George?
~Because we couldn't go for three~
Eddie was great
Robert Smith
I also must say not many faster than Teddy Ginn Jr.
Smith couldve been great Ginn below average NFL
@Squirrelmaster ... Their defensive prowess wasn't the question, I'm saying those two teams are hardly creampuffs.
Quick isn't the lock to Louisville that he once was in my opinion.
However, I'd still be surprised if he didn't announce for Louisville.
@Bama Congrats, you picked out probably the only 2 real out of conference teams that any SEC team has played. Point is, more often than not SEC teams have a very poor out of conference schedule.
and as far as defenses go, they are creampuffs. Oregon gave up an average of 24 points. West Virginia gave up 27. West Virginia played in the Big East, giving up 27 pts a game is pretty bad defense. The OVERALL point is that defense is more important than having kids who can run 4.3s. LSU and Bama are 1 and 2 in overall defense. That is why they were in the national championship and that is why they are ranked 1 and 2 again this year! DEFENSE!
@sqirrell. FYI this years strength of schedule has OSU at 36. Only Kentucky in the SEC ranks below OSU at no. 38. 8 SEC teams rate in top 20 and 13 of 14 rate tougher schedule than OSU. Plus OSU has highest average of home games for past 10 years. I do not think you should pick scheduling as an argument against SEC.
This argument has been going on for a long time (not just here), and I'm not sure that it's really all that valid. The point is that out of conference schedule is too easy, which will not show up in overall strength of schedule for the SEC, because their conference is the toughest right now. However, the B1G plays its fair share of cupcakes. Just look at OSUs cupcake games against MAC teams, like against Toledo last year . . . What? You mean that they almost lost to Toledo?!? How did that happen??? Oh, right . . . At least we still won. Can't say that for that team in the mitten.
This argument is about like the fan whose team gets beat 62-10 but argues his team out played the other in the 4th Qtr because they outscored the winning team 10-0. Come on man.
How did this thread go from speculating about Quick to talking about strength of schedule?????
^Thank you!!!
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But how does Joe Namath fit into all of this?
(Just seeing how far away we can get off topic...)
@waycraken Where did you get that info? Is it just out of conference strength of schedule or their whole schedule. I am not debating who has the toughest schedules. I am saying you see more easy out of conference schedules than you see in other conferences.
Everyone is correct, this is a never ending debate. I just wanted to agree with @thedudeabides when he pointed out SEC defenses are the speed that matters. @waycraken argued back about SEC skill players. My point is its not the SEC skill players that are dominating the college landscape. Its the dominating Bama and LSU defenses that are dominating the college landscape. I just pointed to the poor out of conference schedules for the inflated offensive stats, and they are inflated. I didn't see Bama and LSU light up the championship game with offensive plays!
As for Quick, we got that answer this weekend! He isn't making a choice anytime soon!
Remember back when this forum was about Quick? That was awesome.
You mean post never go off topic? This is the only one? Say it ain't so.
Yeah I liked this post a lot more when it was about Quick
Squirrel: Say It Isn't So.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0LPNJUGnT8
I was only kidding. I actually found most of the dialogue going on here entertaining.
But way back then it only had 10 posts Really there isnt much more to say about Quick then or now. Actually I think the SquirrelMeister livened it up quite a bit.
I do what I can!!!
@crimson, I was going for my best southern since we are talking about SEC but a Hall & Oats reference always works! :)
It was around Saturday when Quick made his comment that he isn't going to make his decision "any time soon" when we went off topic. No sense in debating where the kid is going when he says that. Might as well discuss more meaningful topics like "How much food do you think John Simon puts away in a week?"
Dave reported on Twitter that L'ville was #1 on Quick's list and we are #2 now after being tied a week ago. Hopefully L'ville sucks this year and we have a massive year and he sees the light. It would suck for such a great talent to go to L'ville and lose for 3-4 years.
James Quick is the prospect I want the most over any other remaining receiver targets, including Rob Foster. I think Quick would be perfect in the spread. I hope he takes his time and makes it up to a game here and soak in the atmosphere.
@buckeye_in_sec. louisville isnt going to be losers for the next 3 to 4 years, you must be thinking of the big blue in lexington. wait and see what a thrashing the cards are going to lay on the big blue. 38 to 7 is my guess. coach strong has a nice team and they are young, only 9 seniors on the team. teddy is going to be a very good qb this year.
@Stu... L'ville will not be in a national title convo or BCS convo. If Quick wants to win titles and bowl games he will go to OSU. If he wants to compete in the Belk Bowl and Papa John's Bowls for 3-4 years he can go to L'ville. OSU will be in the title convo in 2013 and 2014 for sure. We will always be in a top tier bowl as long as we win 8+ games because we travel so well.