PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
I know how most people feel about scum vs Alabama, but who do you want to win when Boise plays the Spartans?
MSU because I hate Boise.
How Firm Thy Friendship....
Boise State. If they can win @ MSU with almost none of last year's team, wow....
I have no problem with Sparty, they hate scUM almost as much as we do. Go Sparty.
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Michigan State. They're at home, have a great defense, a strong running game, and Boise is replacing Kellen Moore.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
MSU. We generally need to be pulling for the Big 10 guys. The conference has been defaced enough. A stronger Big 10 yields a stronger Buckeye team.
MSU. No question. I root for ex-OSU guys (coaches included) so long as their team isn't TSUN, playing OSU, or going after the same recruits. In fact, I hope MSU clobbers Boise State. Helps the B1G.
Real fans stay for Carmen.
rooting for msu but think bsu wins
Boise. I don't really cheer for other Big Ten squads anymore after venom their fans unleashed toward our program when some kids sold their own possessions for tattoos. I hope BSU absolutely clobbers MSU just as I hope Alabama absolutely curb stomps Michigan on Saturday. I root for Ohio State to win, and pretty much everybody else to lose.
Not to mention in the case of MSU, Dantonio and Narduzzi's crybaby antics back in February make me want to see them have an epic failure of a year.
Unfortunately only half the teams in the country can lose every week :-/
I think if MSU lost to Boise it would make the perception of the B1G even weaker. So I hope MSU wins 49-0 .
Kellen Moore was badass. No more Moore. Sparty also has a new QB, but a good ground game and tough defense. I see Sparty winning by 10+. However, I haven't seen either of these teams play, neither has anyone else, so we'll just have to find out.
I hope Sparty wins.
I agree^. After Boise has come out and beat Georgia LY in their opener, it would be nice to see MSU come out and stomp them. With Sparty's defense and Bell running the ball they should win. It will be interesting to see how Maxwell and these new WR's react on a big stage. I know they got De'Anthony Arnett from Tennessee, who's fast as hell in the slot. Sims will be the go to guy at TE. Should be a very good game.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Boise State does not possess enough outside speed & QB experience to beat that MSU Defense in East Lansing.
I see MSU starting slow, but pulling away in the 4th quarter, via their big running back --- Le'Veon Bell.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
I want MSUs only loss to be to us. Makes us look better, and keeps UM out of Rose Bowl contention
Boise with the upset.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
I hate Boise State. Im so sick of them playing the teams that we consider cupcakes all season and being in the national title conversation. I hope they get destroyed.
Why hate them for that reason? They play a major opponent each year in the non-conference schedule..on a neutral field, win their bowl games and do it with mostly 1-2 star recruits. It's not their fault that ESPN or whoever hypes them up.
Yes. They played one good opponent. They had to win one game and then the rest was a cakewalk. Im not saying they werent good but they shouldnt have been so highly ranked.
^^^^ Kellen Moore would have given OSU's defense fits any of the 4 year's he played at Boise, and Boise's defense is largely under-rated.......IMO.
Sparty gets the win.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning! GO BUCKS!!
I'm surprised to see how many people want MSU to win. What for? They beat us last year, their fans are getting more arrogant every week, and Dantonio is becoming kind of a dick. As far as who will win, I think MSU in a blowout. Boise is going to be really, really bad this year.
Woodysglasses: I would say that most people on this thread are picking MSU to win, not wanting them to win. As for Dantonio, he's the same guy as he was at Ohio State, barring a heart attack and more gray hair.
Totally agree we need the B1G to get some out of conference wins that matter!
Wherever you are, there you be!
Just b/c a B1G team beats us doesn't necessarily mean I hate them, and I don't see Sparty fans being more arrogant. That team is finally winning on a consistent basis, and they have reason to start bragging about their team. Sparty plays some badass defense, along with an always solid running game. I for one like Sparty a lot, hope they do well all season, and kick BSU's ass. ( I like BSU as well).
I'll definitely root for Sparty against BSU, as I almost always root for BT teams in out-of--conference games/bowls.
That said, Sparty is now one of my least favorite programs in the BT.
First, I have no issue with Sparty fans bragging that their team is finally decent - as bad as that program has been - but that doesn't excuse the self-defeating b.s. we heard from them (and other fan bases) during "Tatgate."
The second reason to dislike them was Dantonio/Narduzzi b---ing about Urbz. Call a waaaambulance! In general, I've been slowly coming around to M Man's position that Dantonio is kinda of a d-bag.
Third . . . look, I get it that many Ohio-born/raised MSU players would have chips on their shoulders about not being recruited by the Buckeyes, but when their chippiness and trash talk goes over-the-top, then f' 'em! I'm still miffed about the dirty hit on last year's onside kick that resulted in a major injury to Verlon Reed.
I'll root for Sparty against BSU and ND, but when conference season begins, I'll root against them in every game not involving TTUN.
I like MSU, when they are not playing us. So I hoping they mop the floor with Boise.... I don't like Boise all that much...
I never pull for other B1G schools unless it's like Iowa and maybe Northwestern. Other than that I just don't care what they do or what perception is. The only way Ohio State's perception gets better is to not shit the bed in national championship games or non conference games against USC. Win those games and it doesn't much matter who is in the B1G and what kind of season they have.
That being said, I think this is the year Boise loses their out of conference game that usually springs them into an extremely high rating and a BCS bowl. Although, I caution anyone to bet against Boise, that typically ends in said gambler losing his money.
I really don't think MSU is going to be as good as everyone else believes they will be. Their defense will be good, but it's not like they are as strong as 2002 Buckeyes, Some of the great USC D's or Bama. Look at some of their games last year, they weren't exactly elite(yet everyone raved about their defense then too). They lost their QB and their star receiver and probably best playmaker on offense also. I think they could be worse than last year.
One last though, Jesse Palmer made them his sleeper pick be in a BCS bowl and possibly the national title game. If that douchebag is on their bandwagon, they're going to play bad inspite of him lol.
I think returning starters in college football is overrated..seems like a lot of teams lose a ton of good players/starters, and don't miss a beat.
I want Michigan State to win. I mean, I don't really, but I do. I want every B1G team to win every out of conference game.
The b1G flat out sucks right now and the only way we turn that perception around is if everybody starts winning those out of conference games.
No, the only way to turn the perception around is to have competent teams capable of winning those games. Is Michigan State that team? I don't know, but me wanting them to win or not has nothing to do with that. That's kind of my point. I'm not cheering for them to win, because I don't like them, but me cheering for them or not has absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of that game against Boise.
When the B1G starts spending money on good coaches who can recruit,and actually have a good staff capable of coaching players up, then they'll have a rise to success. Until then, they are going to continue to struggle against good teams out of conference. Even then, I still won't cheer for B1G teams and it still won't matter who I want to win.
Go Boise, but Sparty wins by 17
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
I don't even think Sparty will score 17.
I want every one of Ohio State's opponents to win their marquee games. It'll look that much better when we beat them.
My thought about it is, if Ohio State has 1 loss or goes undefeated, they'll be in the top 4. Now that they have a conference title game too, that will give them one more game to wow the selection commitee. Get to the final four, and win, and it really doesn't matter what outside perception of the rest of the B1G is.
Different Era but no one ever questioned FSU's legitmacy when they were destroying the weak ACC and blasting non conference teams in bowl games and OOC games early on. Ohio State's worth is based on what Ohio State does, not whether or not MSU beat Boise, or Minnesota can beat ASU or something like that. I know those games all count for strength of schedule, but 1 loss Ohio State that is the champion of the B1G will not be left out of a final four, and a case could be made that 2 loss Ohio State with a B1G title has a good shot at going.
Ohio State in the "playoffs" means 2 things huge ratings, and people who are willing to travel. A selection comittee knows that and it will be a factor folks. It always is a factor in college football.
Albert, I don't think anyone is arguing that support for other BT teams translates into on-the-field success - i.e., that it would help support the "business model," or something to that effect.
Rather, I see it as motivated by other factors . . .
One, what Hodge is allluding to - Ohio State plays in the BT, so root for better (real/perceived) strength-of-schedule, etc.
Two, fans of a BT school tend to have more of a cultural/spiritual affinity with fans of other BT schools than they do with SEC, Texas-based, west coast fan bases, etc.
Three, it's kind of like when two rival gangs from the same neighborhood are always crackin' heads, but then all of a sudden a gang from a completely different city tries to muscle-in on their city - at that point, city pride takes precedence over neighborhood rivalry.
I always pull for coach Dan (Except for when they play us).
@Hail... Agreed... Sparty wins comfortably
@buckeyejason... You're nuts man. MSU returned their entire offensive line AND Le'Veon Bell. They'll stick to trench warfare, which doesn't bode well for Boise (they return only one guys from the front seven on defense). All they need is for Maxwell to be competent (i.e. hit a slant or a quick out every now and then) and they'll be able to score 28 on Boise.
I'll take Sparty 31-14. Too much power in the trenches for an inexperienced and not very deep Boise defensive front seven.
If Maxwell proves competent, Sparty is going to be very very tough this year. If Maxwell is just competent, Sparty wins the Big Ten. If Maxwell shines and plays to his talent level - High School All-American and #9 QB from the 2009 class - Sparty could be in the discussion for the BCS championship game. Boise stands to give them a TON of computer points, and they'll get a lot of love in that portion of the BCS formula.
Like i said I think how many starters you return is overrated..1st year starters blow up and have great seasons every year..anyways we'll see. I don't think Sparty will have a cake walk with Boise. I can't remember the last time someone beat Boise easily?
Always root Big Ten, it makes OSU look better.
Further, MSU will win because Boise is not the team they used to be with so many seniors gone.
There would never be upsets in college football if your logic was always true.
Boise just plugs in new guys it seems year after year and seem to always be successful..when they start losing games consistently I'll pick against them.
1st year starters blow up and have great seasons every year
1st year starters blow up and have great seasons every year
And therein lies another advantage for Sparty. The 2009-2011 classes for Sparty were three of the highest ranked classes they've ever pulled in since rankings began. The 2009 class was ranked 17th by rivals, which means these guys are all redshirt juniors or seniors now. And it's starting to show. From the reports coming out of East Lansing, a couple young receivers have been stepping up to fill the void created by Cunningham and Martin. One of them had 10 receptions for 171 yards in Sparty's scrimmage last week against MSU's first string D. The offensive line only gave up 1 sack (probably to Gholston, no doubt). This is going to be a good team.
Boise just plugs in new guys it seems year after year and seem to always be successful..when they start losing games consistently I'll pick against them.
That's hard to judge since they rarely play a tough schedule. The last year they didn't have Kellen Moore (2007) they lost three games. They only played one BCS conference team and lost by 2 TDs. That team was Washingotn, and they would go 4-9 that season. They also lost to Hawaii and East Carolina. Granted, their recruiting has been better since, but Michigan State is much better than these teams, and even if they did have Kellen Moore, I'd argue that 2012 Sparty's defense would be the best defense Boise State has seen ever.
Good posts Talbert, agree 100%.
Humble Buckeye..are u a closet Spartan fan? I don't really care about their recruiting classes, doesn't mean anything. Georgia and V-Tech bring in good classes as well..far more "star" powered than Boise.
This is the fun part about picking games..there's two choices, I like Boise and you guys like Sparty.
Last year I was called a closet Badger fan for saying Wisconsin would be really, really good (I said they were good enough to go undefeated in the regular season and play in the BCS Championship game. We were 30 seconds and two Hail Marys away from seeing that actually happen). This year, I say Sparty is going to be very, very good and I get called a closet Spartans fan.
No sir, I'm an Ohio State fan (and not just a fan, but a proud alumnus and alumni association member as well). I just happen to be an objective Buckeye fan, and I call them as I see them: Sparty is going to be very tough.
I was kinda joking about that..since you seem to know a lot of "inside" info on them lol. Hey, if they have a great year I'll come back and give you a ton of credit..if they shit the bed though you'll get slammed lol jk.
I hear ya Jason. Sorry if I overreacted. Many mistake my objectivity for some sort of Buckeye hate, and I can get a little sensitive because I've been called a "fake ass Buckeye" by some in the past, just because I'm objective.
Is it FOOTBAWWW SEASON yet?
That's pretty ridiculous if you ask me, nothing wrong with being objective! I don't think your a fake Buckeye at all.
And Hell yes!!! This Saturday!!!!!!
I do think a loss of experience is a big deal. It all depends on what you are replacing the guys who exited with. Does Boise have some guys who have been in the system a while they'll plug in or do they have a bunch of freshman? Those are things I don't know. Losing Moore sucks, but at they replacing him with a guy who has talent and has been with their team a while or a true freshman or a guy like Bauserman?
@Fido: I was trying to be tongue and cheek. I always want Michigan to lose and always have, in the past, that has led me to be quite disappointed a lot! Thing is they had competent coaching and recruited great talent. They hadn't dont that the during DickRod's days and so they sucked. I personally don't want to have the SEC mentality of If 1 wins we all win. I don't like at all. I tell my UK friends all the time, I only cheer for 1 team, not 12. I would hate to think Ohio State would win the National title and the crowd would be cheering B-1-G, B-1-G much like the crowd did with the S-E-C chant when Bama and Auburn won titles.
I'm rooting for the person who scheduled the game away from the blue turf. If ever there were a reason to hate Boise, it has to be the seizure inducing field. Good god I hate that field. Have no problem with the team, I applaud what Peterson has done with that program.
I will root for Sparty, though. I want them coming into our game overconfident and unbeaten. The bigger the tree the harder it falls. Same feeling goes for every team we play (logistically impossible for them to all be undefeated when we play them, but you get the point)
When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."
Just a reminder, that this charming expression of free speech on a billboard in the state up north was brought to you by your neighborhood Spartan alumni:
In any event, an early-season Boise State loss usually aovids a lot of late-season fretting about what if they beat Nevada in Reno, and go 12-0?
Because really, who needs that sort of distraction?
A-Deck south stands. Got the north stands for the B1G games though, don't know how that will be.
@Colin same. South stands A deck for OOC games and somehow got stuck in C-deck (9C) for the B1G games, how that happens to a junior is beyond me.
Boise State will win because their offensive game plan will be ahead of MSU defensive plan at this point in the season. All the shifting and multiple sets with personel will be hard for MSU to prepare as the first week of the season. Toss in a couple gadget plays by Peterson and Boise should come out on top
I'd have to think MSU will win, but maybe not by as much as 17 since BSU actually does turn out decent teams. I think BSU will lose a lot just because of Moore.
That being said, most people aren't sure if he'll make an NFL team or get cut for the practice squad (noodle for an arm comments, passes deflected left and right due to his size, etc.). Moore was a good/great college QB, but he'll need a few years to get NFL ready.
@M Man - You got me with that billboard reminder. Ok, I'm now rooting for Boise St.
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Going back to "wanting" B1G teams to win non-conference games versus hoping they fall flat on their face, I guess I don't understand the argument.
Do we not want Ohio State to play for national championships? Does national perception not play into whether or not you end up playing for national championships? Does conference strength not play a part in the perception of your team and then how relevant your team is to the national championship discussion?
I don't want to see Nebrask or MSU or Wisconsin get national accolades or pats on the back instead of Ohio State, but how can you not want them to do well out of conference? All it does is improve the outlook on the conference, and therefore the perception of OSU (IF the Buckeyes are able to run through the B1G).
I think it's important for the B1G to start trending up this year in order to put themselves more in the national discussion next year, when it really counts for Ohio State. The only way to do that is to win a few marquee OOC games, and do well overall in the bowl season.
Now, in saying that... I hope Alabama sends Michigan back to the stone ages for a reality check. Sometimes national perception doesn't matter quite so much that I begin rooting for TTUN.
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who do i want to win? hhhhmmm, really dont like either school. dantonio acted like a crybaby last winter over urbans recruiting tactics, and well boise st, they seem to play elite teams well on the road. have to admire that. if i had to root for one, boise st would be my pick. but i dont have to root for one, so i care less who wins.
Old Columbustown, a 1 loss or undefeated Ohio State team are going to be in the running for the National Title. They'll likely be in the BCS title game and they'll definitely make the new "final four" when that comes about. Perception is important, but so is the power a team has to fill stadiums. The selection committee will take that into consideration, if the decision is between a 2nd tier program and Ohio State, the committee will go with Ohio State EVERY TIME. They already do it for BCS bowls. There have been a couple of times where other programs probably were more deserving of a BCS bowl than Ohio State, yet Ohio State got the nod. Why? They put butts in seats and eyeballs tuning into TVs.
So whether the B1G is on par with the SEC or not, in my opinion is irrelevant. If Ohio State gets their work done, they'll be a part of whatever championship format there is out there. Only time it would be marginal is if they have 2 losses, but how many years have 2 loss teams been in the top 2 or top 4 anyway?
Boise has nothing left to prove to me. They are incredibly well coached.
I will be cheering for Sparty. But beating Boise will be no easy task.
Sure, I agree that if you match up an undefeated or 1 loss OSU team against a second tier program, of course Ohio State would be selected. But let's be honest, that is not what the discussion is going to be when it comes down to selecting those top four teams. It's going to be teams from the SEC, PAC 12, Big 12, possibly an undefeated ACC or Big East team, and then Ohio State.
An undefeated Ohio State - yes, they will make it into the playoff. But how often does a team really run the table? More often than not, there is at least a stumble along the way. A one or two-loss OSU team - it would then depend on the strength of their schedule compared to that of those other power conference teams. If the B1G hasn't yet changed the perception of the conference, you better believe it's going to be hard for them to get in compared to teams from "stronger" conferences with similar records.
A perceived "strong" B1G does nothing but help Ohio State. It helps their recruiting, it helps their strength of schedule, and it helps their national perception. A weak B1G does none of the above. And that, to me, could cause problems when the new playoff format comes out.
Boise just named their starting QB Sunday... I wouldn't be so high on Boise at the moment.
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