Personally I like Barker the most out of the three. A few reasons for this. 1) he seems to be the most competitive both on his highlight film and by his willingness to come to all these camps to try and earn his scholarship. 2)He also is more athletic than henderson and has a better arm then kizer as far as accuracy and upper body mechanics. (kizer has a bit up of an akward throwing motion). I really like kizer's athleticisim, but think Barker is the better qb overall. My question to the staff and to my fellow buckeye faithful is who would you take?
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I think Henderson almost certainly the best arm, and I'd love to see a guy run the spread with a cannon like that, and he still has mobility.
I wish you would add Crest though, I think he's my favorite pick for the team
If I had to pick only one, Barker. He's got a decent arm, is tough to bring down, and seems to play with real intensity. If there's room for two QBs in the class then I'd like tOSU to take Kizer as well.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence." -Woody Hayes
Crest is good i really liked his highlight film, but i just dont know his interest in the team thats why i only included these three because they seem to have the highest interest and are the closest fit to what we want to do on offense.
I rank them 1. Henderson 2. Barker 3. Kizer
I do think they're all relatively close.
@Johnny, Crest has named OSU his leader in more than one interview, I'd say at the moment his is higher than Kizer
Next question can JT Barrett hold off one of these three once they step on campus? I don't know if he can especially if they enroll early and are quick to soak up the playbook.
@buck-I.8 I didn't know that about crest thanks for the insight.
Johnny11, I think Barrett will be a strong competitor at QB. What makes you think he won't be able to hold off one of the 2014 guys?
You are definately right Barrett is an extreme competitor, and to be honest I'm just asking the question to see what everybodies opinion is more than anything. Plus I know with injuries and things like that, that its all up in the air really anyways. I'm not downing Barrett though I really like him as a prospect.
Kyle Allen could still be thrown in there, despite not making it to FNL (would absolutely love to get his big TE buddy too).
The athleticism of all these guys can be seen over and over, and so far that is where barker, kizer, & crest win out.
I think the best QB will thrive regardless of athleticism in this offense and the junior HS season is crucial determining accuracy and decision making for this group.
The dominos will fall on these guys as soon as we hand out that first offer, and I don't think it will hurt a thing to wait until deep into their junior years, if not after the season (obviously as long as we keep recruiting them hard for the time being), especially since Urban is going to make this offense as fun to watch and play in as florida's was. That said, I hope we get a commit from one tomorrow!
I rank them so far 1 henderson 2 barker
I think we take Henderson and Barker. Although Crest is intriguing for sure. It will be interesting to see how he progresses as a passer.
Barrett will be the next starter after Braxton and thrive in this offense!
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Henderson, Crest, Barker...
But I've watched like 1-2 highlight films of each so my opinion is crap...
I have no idea who the best of the bunch is, and I guess that the staff doesn't either right now since none has been offered. I do think that whoever offers Henderson first between OSU and michigan will probably have a leg up in his recruitment.
Yah I didn't like how hendersons dad said how SCUM is in the lead and how they were really impressed by the staff and coaches at the barbeque. Kizer seems to be fond of them as well from what I have read.
I like Kizer and Crest but feel they're going to go after Henderson or Barker (and use Crest or Kizer as a back up plans). We'll see...one thing I've learned this year is Urban's not as predictable as I thought as far as recruiting goes. I figured one of these guys above would have an offer by now...besides Crest.
@Jason: I was going to say the same thing you did about JT. He's not going to beat out by any these guys above. Couldn't agree more...
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@ Johnny,
I think the BBQ lined up nicely for Hoke. FNL is a hype event, lots of competition, noise and excitement, but in the end for a lot of these kids it's just another camp. Coming at the end of camp season, my guess is the BBQ gives these guys a rest, a chance to relax and build relationships, and recruiting is about building relationships.
I think Crest made the mistake by not showing up to these camps to prove his value next to the other studs. He's got a great film, but the other quarterbacks have the benefit (or it could also be a negative) of the staff being able to see and evaluate them in person.
I like Barker. He has a similar arm to Henderson, pretty good mechanics, size, intensity, passion, and comes off as a natural born leader, as it has been said. He's got a lot of things you just can't teach along with great QB skill. Perfect fit for offense. Perfect competitor Meyer wants.
Kizer a bit raw. Henderson impressed me as being quicker than I expected but not the athlete at the position that Barker is. Kizer best athlete of 3 though.
Drew Barker. he's a beast, and dreamy like tebow.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
i dont know them that well, but ill take the guy being compared to tebow
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Barker- also seems to "want" it more. Has had numerous convos with '14 recruits about "dream team" scenario.
Anyone know why Kizer doesn't get as much love? I really havn't seen anything on him but it seems his size is amazing and speed looked good in the 1 inute highlight real. Reminds me of a bit slower Pryor with bad throwing motions...
Yeah Barker would also be a great recruiter if he were to commit
Pryor ran a 4.4 type 40. Kizer runs a 4.6 type 40. He's not near Pryor.
Pryor was able to play as a freshman, Kizer wouldn't. Strong arm but not accurate yet and lacks consistency. Pryor bailed himself out early on with athleticism that is unparallel and that none of the 3 have.
The one that WANTS to be a Buckeye most is Barker in my view. We want the guy that wants to be a Buckeye and that coach Meyer approves of. They all have pluses and minuses. Henderson or maybe just family is talking up scUM and opposed to how I think Flounder (Hoke) thinks "if he wants to be a Buckeye, scUM wants him" my quote not his. if a player wants to be a ttun guy we DO NOT want him, let him be a Flounderette. Same with Kizer from what I've read elsewhere. Crest is a decent toothpaste is all I know there. So it's Barker. Talk about rocket science!
That is good info Derek, thanks!
Yah we are not likely to see a guy with pryors size /athleticism type combo for a while. I'm still sour about that guy. Could have been one of the greats if he wouldn't have muffed it up with the off field stuff.
Actually Cardale Jones has Pryor type size and speed(not quite, but athletic kid).
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Actually guys like him come around every few years. Vince Young, TP, Cam Newton.
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cams on another level
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I meant size and athletism comparisons.
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How many were there before those three you mentioned? Maybe culpepper, but IMO he was not half the athlete they were. Most of the time people with those body sizes and athleticisim end up at other positions. Thats all I'm saying its very rare to see people playing the qb position with those traits.
Tyrone Swoopes is next if he can throw
Yah, but from what I read around is that he struggled a lot at the opening and at the elite 11 during drills and 7 on 7's compared to his peers. I'm not saying that is everything, but if he has trouble doing it with no pressure, hoiw is he going to do it with big d lineman and lbers of college level talent breathing down his neck. His stats from highschool are really skewed to because he plays in one of the smaller leagues in texas football and he has almost no passing yards compared to 2200 rushing yards. He once threw for 50 in a game and rushed for 500. He seems really one dimensional to me.
@Johnny11, but isn't that a product of the role of a college QB changing as the offenses change? Nobody ran the spread to run in the 80's and 90's, so why would you have a 6'6" 235 athletic dude play QB when you could have a guy with better accuracy throw him the ball at TE? Back then it was more valuable to have those types of athletes play other positions; now it makes more sense for them to play QB. It's not that they didn't exist, the position hadn't evolved enough to fit them.
You could argue that some of the old option attacks needed a QB like that, and then we talk about the athletic QB's that ran option: Tommy Frasier, Tony Rice, off the top of my head.
When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."
I'm thinking Barker right now considering everything I am reading. In the Barker interview posted on 11W, he said the staff told him they would only take 1 QB in this class unless something managed to change. Also, how does Henderson go from possibly committing on the spot if offered to having scum as his #1? I say let him go and we will have McMillan, Hand, Garrett, and Booker to eat him alive for 4 years.
FYI: Tyrone Swoopes is committed to Texas. JT Barrett is committed to OSU.
I think if tOSU get McMillan, Hand, Garrett, and Booker in the 2014 we can all
But getting Hand along with those other, more likely, guys is not gonna happen.
"Paralyze resistance with persistence." -Woody Hayes
The guys that used to get thrown at WR/TE/RB/LB/DEetc. because of their speed and athletism are now starting to be given a shot a QB and are chaning the face of the game in many aspects. The college game is a game of taking advantage of athletism and emotions because the talent level is so much different from region to region and school to school. Unlike the NFL which has a much closer level of talent. Newton 20 years ago would have been a great WR and likely not given the chance to play QB (general case). I think we start to see more and more of the crazy QB's with insane athletism making their way to the college ball and then into the NFL.
I like Barker a lot. 4 times this year he's been to OSU? Sign me up.
DeShone Kizer. Going to be like Braxton and Troy Smith.
I'm going to say IT"S TOO EARLY TO TELL. We're basing assumptions on these kids based on their Sophomore year in high school, and a couple summer camps. Are we really qualified to say at this point that Barrett(who everyone was pumped about that committment) won't be good enough to hold any of these 3 QBS off? Barrett hasn't played a down of his senior year yet, these kids haven't played a down of their JR year yet.
I think everyone knows it is too earyl to tell... but he whole point of recruiting talk is speculation. it's never to early to speculate!
Barker has a Tebowish stiffarm
I would have to say Barker. I think the big thing with him is that he is a natural leader and seems to be the perfect candidate to be the leader of this class. I remember reading in one of the forums that he wants to commit early and recruit other players. As a recent 11w post pointed out, having an elite prospect committed first that can serve as the leader of the class pays dividends. This draws the best talent to the school and with a loaded 2014 class, we can use every advantage we got. We are seeing it in this (2013) class with Burrows and even in Michigans class with Shane Morris as the post pointed out. Barker is already in contact with some of the top 2014 prospects on twitter such as McMillan and, I believe, can bring in some excellent prospects to Columbus a little more than the others. (Henderson and Kizer) Make no mistake, I would be happy with either of the three but if I had to choose just based on talent, leadership, and willingness to bring other top prospects with him....it would be Barker.
Steensn I guess that's what I don't get about it. I mean it's really early in the game to be geeked up about 2013 recruits, guys raise and drop down recruiting rankings their senior year all the time! I can't imagine how many names we will start talking about and drop off the lists between now and time for 2014 guys to sign.
Recruiting is fun and all, but it's quite a bit early to be talking about a 2013 QB recruit not being able to fend off one of these kids from 2014.
You cant coach speed but you can coach mechanics. This is why i think i would prefer Kizer. He seems to be the best runner which is important when the zone read is a huge part of your offense. Passing can be taught but speed comes naturally.
Disagree. Passing mechanics can be taught to a point. Look at some of the guys with freakish athletic ability (Tebow, TP ) that have struggled with poor throwing mechanics for years. Never gonna change some of that. I like Barker bc he seems to have good mechanics and good mobility. Reminds me some of Alex Smith. He also seems to "get it". Seems to be a leader and talks about hating to lose more than he likes to win! Ill trust in Urban on this one...
I didn't say that Barrett coudn't fend off these guys i just posed the question? Its all speculation anyways. Some kids plateau early. Others rise later on. There could be a prospect right now we dont even know about yet that breaks out his junior year. I'm just saying with what we know now who would you chose? Next I know swoopes is committed to texas has been for months never said he was committed anywhere else. I was just comparing him to the recent freak of nature quarterbacks these days. I understand about what your saying about the spread to run, but the option, wing t, and other such offenses used to require and athletic quarterback to run. They were very prodominent for years. We still ddnt see this level of athlete playing the position. Football is ever evolving though and I'm sure you will see more freak athlete's like those mentioned above, but they still will never be as typical as your shorter shifty guy and your prototypical pocket passer. Thats all i'm saying.
I'd take Barker & Kizer