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Hello everyone.  First time poster but I have been coming to this site for months for recruiting updates (great job btw, 11w staff and gene).  Just kinda wanting to pick everyone's brains about this years schedule.  I know we don't have any marquee games in the non-conference schedule but I feel as if UCF and Cal could give us a run for our money.  Anyone else feel like that?  Aside from those, does anyone have any realistic worries about this season?  Purdue and Indiana came out of nowhere last year in games we were supposed to win and made it close so I see at least Purdue giving us fits again.  Maybe it has something to do with not being prepared for the spread?

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avail31678 on 22 Aug 2012 - 12:54am #

It's hard for me to tell.  We could literally come out blazing and go 12-0.  The guys are clearly fitter than they've ever been, our defense returns most and has tons of new talent right in the mix.  And, our D was darn good AT TIMES last year (just not for 4 straight quarters).  We only lost one game by more than a touchdown (Miami) with our worst offense in a long time - and our O has nowhere to go but up.  Plus, Meyer has said our offense went from "a clown show" to "fairly functional." 

However, we do have some tests for sure, and I still have to think there will be growing pains in the offense (and D too, perhaps). 

UCF and Cal will not be jokes, for certain.  But I think we take them.  I think we take NEbraska because we owned them for most of the game last year and it's at home this year.  Whisky at Camp Randal is always rough, but I think we can eke that one out.  Same with MSU - maybe the best D in the conference next to ours, but their offense coule be "newer" than ours.  I've decided we absolutely have to beat Penn State.  We just do.  And I think we take Michigan - they BARELY beat our worst time in a long time at home last year. 

12-0 is totally possible, and on paper we can beat anyone, but I gotta figure a couple bumps in the road.  I say 10-2.  If I had to pick a loser, I'd say we lose to MSU. 

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LuckyDAWG685 on 22 Aug 2012 - 1:22am #

I hear ya Avail.  If we lose to anyone I would have to say Wisconsin and MSU pose the biggest threats.  With Urban at the helm I don't see us losing to scUM by more than a TD, if at all, during his tenure.

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Bluke221 on 22 Aug 2012 - 1:33am #

I look at the results on the field last year and although I saw a 6-7 team I also saw a team that blew a lead against Neb and was within striking distance of MSU, Penn State, Michigan and Florida. It was such a young and inexperienced offense and I truly believe that the lack of long possessions absolutely killed our defense by the end of the year.  This year they should be in much better condition from things I've read from other posters.  I expect there to be growing pains early on that will be offset by an easy set of home games. In the end I think this team is a 1 or 2 loss team in a best case scenario.  I simply don't feel we are talented enough or have enough veteran leadership to go undefeated. I think worst case scenario is only 4 losses however (at Wisc, MSU, Mich and one unexpected, again worst case). Somewhere inbetween seems about right.  Excited to see these guys grow and set the stage for a couple National Title caliber teams in 2013 and 2014.

 

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dubjayfootball90 on 22 Aug 2012 - 8:22am #

Purdue is gonna be interesting... returning a lot of starters....

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Triv on 22 Aug 2012 - 8:43am #

A kid who is in the dorm next to mine is a walk on OL, and he told me that the entire team is fully expecting to go 12-0. He said its not any of that BS that every team says at the start of the year, they full heartedly believe that they are the best team in college football. 

Also said the offense actually looks very good, so take that FWIW

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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TBDBITLinWIScantSON on 22 Aug 2012 - 9:39am #

It seems like nobody is really looking objectively at Wisconsin. Seems they're getting a free pass. Their D will be Ok, but at the end of last season, tOSU and MSU gouged(!!) them. As for offense (what really makes the machine go) they lost a ton, most importantly, starting QB, leading receiver, starting TE, 3 oline starters, oh, and the ENTIRE offensive coaching staff. IMHO- Chryst is the brains for UW's success on offense (it definitely isn't Bert). I think Chryst is as important to their Offense as Tress was to ours, and we saw how that turned out.

It's presumptuous to assume Obrien steps in and effectively replaces WIlson. you dont just plug in another transfer QB, and by default, get the same results. And he won't be an upgrade. No doubt, Ball is a talent , and will pose problems, but how do they not take a step back?! Sadly, they have a 1-game play-in for a return trip to Indy. But I think it will be with 2 BIG losses. I think we'll get the W in Camp Randall.

Dont sleep on the illini. They have some talent, and will finally get some coaching. And there's some weirdness in the trends of that series.

WB

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btalbert25 on 22 Aug 2012 - 10:08am #

I feel the same way about MSU.  Yeah they will have good defense but they lost their senior QB and best WR.  A team that wasn't great on offense got worse.  Wisconsin lot a lot as well.  I don't think those 2 are just a shoe in to walk their divisions.

 

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btalbert25 on 22 Aug 2012 - 10:26am #

I would be very suprised if this team goes 12-0.  We have long talked about how poor the line has played, but honestly it's not going to be easy to just replace Brewster, Adams, and Shugarts.  Offensive line will be an issue, and it's not deep at all.  So, we can't afford for there to be any injuries on that line this year.

One thing in this team's favor is the B1G stinks for the most part.  I think they can get to 10 wins.  Meyer's first year in Florida his team went 9-3.  That was in the SEC, so I can see a 10 win season in his first year of the B1G.  Everyone keeps looking to what games might we lose or what games are going to be tough but no one is accounting for the Purdue, Illinois, or Northwestern surprises that have popped up. 

I hope they win 12, I'd be surprised if they won 12, but I just don't see this team pulling off 12 wins.

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Ahh Saturday on 22 Aug 2012 - 10:33am #

OSU is good enough to beat any team on the schedule, but inexperienced enough to lose to a few as well.

Will Win

Miami, UAB, @IU, Purdue

Should Win

UCF, Cal, Nebraska, Ill, @PSU, mich

Could Lose

@MSU, @ Wiscy,

I think we lose one we should win, and win one we could lose.  Overall 10-2.

 

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cbusbuckeye on 22 Aug 2012 - 10:39am #

Went to high school with Andrew Maxwell, ran into him this summer and he said the passing game won't be as strong this year, that they are gonna rely heavily on Bell and the defense. Not sure if this is anything new, but it came straight from him. 

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johnny11 on 22 Aug 2012 - 10:42am #

This is Big Ten football and as the season progresses and injuries occur I think we show that we are the best team in the conference talent wise. 12-0 is a very real possibility, but I still think we take at least 1 loss somewhere. If I had to guess that would be MSU probably. The defense they have will keep them in the game and by the time the game comes around they will have sometime to mesh with the new players they have in that offense. Plus Leveon Bell is just a beast of a running back.

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Ahh Saturday on 22 Aug 2012 - 10:47am #

The more I think about it, the more I think that MSU's D is over-hyped.  Last year they gave up 31 to ND (L), 31 to Wiscy (W), 24 to Neb (L), 24 to Minny (W), 42 to Wiscy (L), and 30 to UGA (W).  The fact that OSU looked awful against them has colored many people's vision. 

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ShowThemOhiosHere on 22 Aug 2012 - 11:24am #

As far as Cal and UCF go - I don't think they'll necessary give us a "run for our money", but if we expect to beat them by 4+ TDs, we might be disappointed.  I could see those as 17-24 point wins.  Purdue and Indiana are going to get stomped - Purdue can't win in Columbus, and I don't see us spotting Indiana a 10-0 lead again. 

Playing at Michigan State in late September worries me a bit - depends on how our offense has progressed.  I definitely think we can win that game, but I'd feel better if it was in October or November.  Wisconsin in Madison is always a bitch, too, but that game happens after a bye week, like last year.  If it happened last year, it can happen again this year - on the road this time, but better team.

I honestly don't know what to expect from PSU.  At this point, it seems like a surefire win, as I can't imagine them not declining a bit from last year, though I don't think their decline via sanctions is going to happen right away. 

Same goes with scUM.  With this game being effectively a bowl game, with Urban entering the fray, it should be a win.  I don't know how scUM will pan out.  I'm thinking they'll be 9-2 or 8-3 coming into The Game, but they could be better.  They could also be worse.  I just didn't see enough from scUM last year to be worried that they're going to be a powerhouse.

I'm thinking 11-1 overall.

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hail2victors9 on 22 Aug 2012 - 1:07pm #

20-23 in Bowl Games...I don't think the fact that it's "effectively a bowl game" will matter.  Nothing matters in The Game.  Unless there is an overwhelming desparity in talent ('08-'10), nothing can be predicted until it's played.  Advantage: Ohio State...absolutely.  Guaranteed win: not in my opinion.

Michigan is 20-21 in Bowl games by comparison.

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cplunk on 22 Aug 2012 - 1:14pm #

12-0 should not be possible, but it IS because the B1G absolutely stinks right now. We're pretty much the ACC or the Big East but with better history. 

12-0 sounds crazy to my ears, but when I look game by game there really aren't any games other then at Wisconsin and The Game that are worrisome. 

My biggest fear is actually UCF. They're a pretty good team and we'll be in just our second game with a brand new offensive system. That's a trap/trouble game in my mind.

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hodge on 22 Aug 2012 - 1:27pm #

Maybe it's just me, but I cannot bring myself to ever expect a win in The Game.  Perhaps it's my over-supersticious approach to sports fandom, but when I think these kind of things are "in-the-bag", they tend not to be.  Michigan's likely going to win the Legends division (I'm not buying into the hype machine around MSU; they're in for a regression), and I think we all know that Hoke takes this game seriously.  Like everyone else here, I want a win, but I'll never bring myself to get over-confident about said matchup. 

I'm with HAIL: nothing can be predicted when it comes to OSU-UM, especially with the heart that both of these teams (and their respective coaches) are going to bring to this matchup.

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sir rickithda3rd on 22 Aug 2012 - 2:14pm #

guys im not gonna lie after a few yrs of tressel i stopped worrying about meat chicken. I was telling my friends "this is a joke its not even a rivalry anymore this is like when cooper was coaching us" i think purdue will be better than penn st and illinois right behind mich and mich st and wisky. 12-0 or 11-1 is my prediction. Urban and company give us a decided advantage over anyone we play this yr imo

mark may wins douchebag of the year... again

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johnny11 on 22 Aug 2012 - 2:15pm #

I agree Hodge you can't say its in the bag by any means, but i look at the battle in the trenches. I look at SCUM'S ol/dl versus our ol /dl and I just see us eating them alive in that match up. I think thats why we pull that game out, but its definately not in the bag.

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BrewstersMillions on 22 Aug 2012 - 3:08pm #

Way too much assumption going on around here. Meyer is among the three best coaches in the nation and eventually OSU fans will rightfully expect 12 win, BCS (or playoffs I suppose) appearances, rivalry domination, and National Title hopes year in and year our. This year (for a lot of reasons other than the obvious bowl ban) isn't it. There are a lot of square pegs on this roster who's corners are being sanded down to fit into a round hole.

Braxton Miller is a great runner, will shred teams with designed runs and improv jobs but has to show me a lot in the passing game before I get jacked up enough to predict a win over anyone other than your obvious Miami, Indiana, etcs. I know the D will be just fine, especially up front. The LB's have some questions and the DB's have a huge ceiling but just adding Meyer and the coaching staff isn't enough. Its a hell of a start. A great start that eventually will lead to a lot of wins and fun for us as fans...but this year is too hard to tell. Nothing objective tells me OSU will win 12 games. If they come out and win 4 or 5 in a row and get better each week, make room on the bandwagons guys because I'll be looking to jump on it. Right now, I'm guardedly optimistic.

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johnblairgobucks on 22 Aug 2012 - 2:48pm #

I think Cal will be the first game our team will be in duress. 

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Run_Fido_Run on 22 Aug 2012 - 2:55pm #

TBDBITLinWIScantSON: several great points! I haven't really taken a close look at Wisconsin, but you got me thinking.

Chryst may very well have been among the best OCs in the business. Before he came along in 2005, Wisky's meatgrinder offense under Alvarez had gone stagnant for a few years. Chryst gave them more balance, versatility, nuances, better in-game adjustments, etc. Flash forward to 2012 and Bielema has never been a HC without Paul Chryst. That will be interesting to watch this year.

I agree, O'Brien is no R. Wilson.

The OLmen they lost were 1st R draft choice, Zeitler; 2nd R draft choice, Konz; free agent but 1st team BT, Oglesby; and another decent back-up.

As you mentioned, Wisky's defense last year was only decent. They finished 15th in total D because their offense controlled games. But they actually finished worse than last year's Buckeye D in yards per play allowed.

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Run_Fido_Run on 22 Aug 2012 - 3:01pm #

My unscientific guestimate on where to set the Buckeyes over/under for total wins came to +/-9 wins.

After reading between the lines, though, and reflecting on the weaknesses of the teams the Buckeyes will face this year, though, I'm now predicting 10-2.

I like them to split (1-1) the MSU and Wisconsin road games + another unexpected loss.

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Buckeye_in_SEC_... on 22 Aug 2012 - 3:03pm #

I only see 4 tough games: Michigan St., Nebraska, Wisconsin, and scUM...  I think we win 2 of the 4 and finish the season 10-2.  Michigan St. will be tough because they have a great defense and we are on the road.  I think we will win the Nebraska game because Martinez doesn't throw the ball well and we are at home.  Wisconsin is a coin toss to me.  Ball is a heck of a RB, but I'm not sold on O'Brien.  We will beat Michigan because it's at home, Robinson doesn't throw the ball well, they lost a lot of their D-line, and Meyer knows that is the #1 most important goal this year.  PLUS... It is essentially our bowl game!

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btalbert25 on 22 Aug 2012 - 4:26pm #

I just have to ask, how many losses did we all see on the schedule going into last year?  I thought 8-4 would be a horrible year.  "Experts" were still saying the team was good enough to win the B1G!  I know there was adversity and all that business, but we didn't know that til after the fact.

Well while things are better, and the players are in good shape and we actually have a competent coaching staff this team is still going to have a lot of adversity.  As Brewster said, Braxton will have to show a HUGE improvement as a passer, there are many questions in the LB and secondary positions that need to be answered.  A lot has been lost on the O-Line and it's incredibly thin.  The players are learning a new offensive system and while they are looking good in practice, practice ain't exactly the same as looking good in games.  All this great talent that we have is still for the most part REALLY YOUNG too.

The B1G is bad enough that the team COULD very well pull of double digit wins, but at the end of the day I think it's really really really really premature to be talking about 12-0 or 11-1.  I'll gladly be wrong about that, I just hate to see what will happen when everyone is expecting 10-12 wins and this team goes 8-4.  How quick will everyone turn on the staff?  At what point to we here maybe Urban has lost a step etc? 

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btalbert25 on 22 Aug 2012 - 4:31pm #

Hail, the overall bowl record isn't what people mean by "essentially a bowl game" it's the fact that it will be the last football played in an Ohio State uniform for Johnny Simon, Sabino, Boren, and Stoneburner.  That game will have more meaning for Ohio State than it has in a long time.  Those guys aren't going to want to go out with an L to Michigan, on senior day, when it's the last game they'll ever play in college. 

That doesn't mean it's not going to be significant for Michigan(it always is on both sides) but in my opinion, a team that had been through so much in the last couple of years, and a senior class that believed they came to Ohio State to win a BCS title but will never get that opportunity, are going to be SUPER focused on winning that game.  The young talented guys and budding leaders like Braxton are going to step up to send them out winners.  Then add in that it's Urban's first "The Game" and I think there are a lot of factors that point to Ohio State winning that one.  Nothing is ever guarrentteed, and other than the DickRod years no The Game was ever a lock(those were laughers though), but honestly this is a year I would certainly go to the betting window and go all in on Ohio State. 

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OSUBias on 22 Aug 2012 - 4:38pm #

The Cooper years were also a lock, unfortunately.

When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."

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btalbert25 on 22 Aug 2012 - 4:48pm #

lol I NEVER felt like the Cooper years were a lock but after the first couple of years with Tressel I expected that yes Ohio State was going to win every time.  With Urbans track record against rivals and in big games, I'll expect most years he'll win the game.  Especially, since he knows how much it means to win that game to Ohio State fans, alumni, his bosses etc.

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OSUBias on 22 Aug 2012 - 5:06pm #

I always convinced myself during the Cooper years that we could/should win THE GAME, but never really expected to win. Then when something would go wrong it'd be like "ok here we go again." Actually much like the feeling I developed later in the Tressel years for big out of conference or bowl games. I'm looking back at Tressel's record in those games, though, and for the most part I don't think that feeling was really warranted. I mean, starting in '06 he lost a few more big non conf games than he won, but not by a lot. Not to the point that I should have been always waiting for something to go wrong.

I honestly think that Florida game scarred me into losing confidence that we should win big games. So even when it happened later (Oregon comes to mind) I was more excited and relieved than "yeah we were a better team." I definitely have a different mindset than I did during the middle of the Tressel regime, where I just expected us to beat everyone. Hopefully Urbs can win the big ones and get me that confident again. This is his fault in the first place, so he owes me! And most importantly, it sounds like he's got the players and the program believing. That's the place where it matters. Mine just impacts my stress level during games.

When told OSU set school record for 50+ games this year, UFM said "That's good. We're gonna break that next year."

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avail31678 on 22 Aug 2012 - 10:22pm #

@BTAlbert...true, last year we were still expected (or maybe listed as a strong contender is a better way to describe it) to win our division.  And obviously we didn't, BUT look how close we were!  We lost every conference game by a touchdown or less.  A loss is a loss.  But we were right there in every game with one of our most inconsistent teams, and with one of the most inept offenses in the nation.

Our offense has nowhere to go but up.  Our D showed flashes of greatness last year (holding Whisky and Nebraska to VERY little offense for 3 quarters), and will only be improved this year. 

BUT, I agree, we have unanswered questions.  But with Urban and co., I know the answers to those questions will lean towards the "phew!" side, rather than the "NOOOOOO!" side.  Urban hasn't coached one game for OSU yet.  But I have a real good feeling.  And I'm just excited.  And, if we do have more growing pains than I expect...well, at least it'll be more fun watching us lose (i.e. no Bollman offense). 

In short, BE.  SEPTEMBER 1st.  NOW.  Go Bucks!

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otrain2416 on 22 Aug 2012 - 11:24pm #

To be short and sweet last year I saw flashes and potential to go undefeated and win every game. Not saying Fickell wasn't a good coach but he was inexperienced and couldn't get the right plays and harvest the potential to go undefeated. Meyer has that experience and has the staff to push the guys to go 12-0. Not saying we will but now as I've learned about our team, the new style of play, the new attitude, and how Meyer uses talent as I look at the schedule I do not see any teams that I would say are flat out better than us, more talented, or I am worried about playing like I was last year. I'd say are chances are very good of going undefeated. Go Bucks!

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3technique on 22 Aug 2012 - 11:36pm #

I  truly can see them going 12-0. I know I am a homer and I see all the tangible reasons to lose a game or two. My reasons for optimism are the Oline( i know it sounds crazy) but i see a more aggressive Oline instead of passive zone blocking. The players overall are not as experienced but they make up for it with a real OLine coach. I think Braxton will be a ton better than last year with a quick read or two and then he will be gone. I expect him to play a lot like he did against Nebraska with some better throws sprinkled in. The Dline will play so well that the LBs and DBs will look a whole lot better than they are. The Dline will wear out every team they play, and get some easy scores. I think they will play with the lead in most games and force a lot of three and out...

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BuckeyeFreak4844 on 23 Aug 2012 - 10:50am #

Ummm im not sure anything is in the bag! Im going into the season eyes wide open and expecting some good football.  As for the Game i like that it will be our bowl game and at home but as far as in the bag.  Cant just take into consideration the last ten years way more history then that so i like our chances but def not in the bag!

Michigan Sucks!

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DetroitBuckeye on 23 Aug 2012 - 2:42pm #

The one sleeper game that I am worried about would be the Illinois game.  I have a feeling that Tim Beckham might give the buckeyes a run for there money, he probably has it circled in the schedule too.  Plus it is between trips to Happy valley and Madison.  

 

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southbymidwest on 23 Aug 2012 - 3:51pm #

Ummm, I kind of hope that we don't go 12-0 this year, but of course beat the living daylights out of TSUN. I just don't want Urban to fall back into that unhappy, stressed, perfection or else mindset that got him at Florida. Sets up crazy (ok, crazier) expectations. I want him at OSU, healthy, happy, and kicking TSUN's butt for a good long time. We can go 12-0 next year. Heh.

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BukFan on 23 Aug 2012 - 3:22pm #

No way we go 12-0!  We need to start beating Purdue first. 

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Buckeyejason on 23 Aug 2012 - 10:39pm #

Everyone needs to get "12-0" out of their  minds. Take one game at a time..because as we know in college football, anyone can beat anyone.

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Ahh Saturday on 24 Aug 2012 - 12:09am #

^^^ Why?

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btalbert25 on 24 Aug 2012 - 12:24am #

I don't really think the offense is going to be THAT improved.  We may have some better numbers all together, but I would bet a paycheck that they'll have a lot more turnovers this year.  Braxton still needs to learn the offense.  I know he's supposed to be getting better in practice, but practice ain't games folks. 

12-0 ain't happening, I do think the Big 10 is bad enough they could get to 10 wins, but 12-0 is a pipe dream.  

That's not being negative, it's just being honest.  If they get to 6-0 I'll be a believer, but I just don't think the offense is going to be worlds better than everyone else seems to think, and even if it is better, I'll be willing to bet the turnovers will be a bit of a problem and cost the team a couple of games. 

With the changes this team has gone through and the youth of the team, and the O-line situation, and questions with the LB's and secondary there are going to be some trying times.  You can't honestly tell me though, if this were Texas or USC or Florida in the same situation you would legitmately think they would be 12-0.   Hell people on here are doubting USC or Oklahoma could go undefeated this year, how could the same people believe Ohio State will? 

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Buckeyejason on 24 Aug 2012 - 9:28am #

Good points BTAlbert!

Ahh saturday: Why what?

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One Bad Buckeye on 24 Aug 2012 - 9:58am #

I'm sorry I know it's far fetched but if the players are thinking 12-0 then I'm thinking 12-0.  

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Buckeyejason on 24 Aug 2012 - 10:23am #

The players are Supposed to think 12-0 every year. Every competitor in every sport has to have that mind set or  else they will already be defeated. 

Fans though..are the ones that get all upset and  ruin their own week when their team loses or doesn't play to their expectations. So go ahead and think that if you want..right now though I'm worried about being 1-0 after Sep 1st.

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buckeye76BHop on 24 Aug 2012 - 12:00pm #

We'll know more in a week...I tend to say OSU will be much improved, especially the offense.  Not to mention back to shut down defense....if tTUN fans as well as ALL others in B1G aren't a little worried about pressure from OSU's Dline...then they need some smelling salts before #16 gets it after J.Simon and Diesel Washington as well as others just smash him over and over again.  This isn't the same team that went 6-7 last year...that you can count on... 

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