For those of you who have not seen the news, Derrick Green is no longer being pursued by tOSU. Now for the point of my thread.
I came across this on the boards of 247 when I was browsing. A member brought up a good point on this development. Do you think the staff choosing not to pursue him is because they already have a couple spots taken up by someone who is silent verbal to the staff, which maybe Green could have had if he didn't play the recruiting game?
I just can't justify turning away a back like Derrick Green. Kind of someone you just dont wan't to say no to.
Something is going on. Agree or disagree? and thoughts
I don't think Green is a player you don't say no to. Don't get me wrong, fantastic RB and would love to have him, but he's not Adrian Peterson. And he would be a luxury pickup considering our depth. We need playmakers in space, not another power back. Just being logical.
Alex or Derek stated either here or on twitter that the staff has been on vacation lately and likely came back and decided that we could not afford to take another rb in this class. Probably want another OT, atleast 1 Wr and a S before taking another rb which I think both Alex and Derek have stated are the big needs remaining for this class. 82 schollies doesn't help either, probably would still be recruiting him if we had 85.
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That's a big misunderstanding about these scholly reductions. They actually have no impact on number of kids in THIS class. The only class affected was last years, which needed to cut 3 to get to 82. This class would be the same size even if we had 85 as the same number of players will be departing after this year.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I agree. I believe somebody is a silent commit. Hopefully a Foster and Quick Combo silent comitt.
Oh well -- if true, it's not the staff's fault. They offered him and he chose to tour other campuses while other players were willing to make solid commitments to be Buckeyes. Good luck to him, and I hope he enjoys all of his campus visits and interviews.
Hahahahahahaha. That would be extremely ideal. I feel like Munger is and they're confident on Mitchell, waiting on Bell, waiting on a WR.
@Moop, my thoughts exactly. If you truly wanted to be a Buckeye, the spot had been open since the day he was offered, and they weren't going to wait it all out.
They probably feel very good about Tyquan Lewis too, only so many spots left.
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Him too...maybe five left.
Right on, URBZ. We all gotta do what we gotta do. Green feels like he needs to see more schools, and we have to address any depth issues at all positions. All good.
I am extremely happy with Elliott as our sole RB in the class, awesome attitude, great work ethic and really seems to be improving his skills constantly... we have Dunn and Ball already for the future, I see no reason to fret letting this kid go
Next...
Could be a big mistake by the staff to let this kid go to Michigan w/out a fight.
OSUGRAD: He could go to Michigan, but even that seems pretty unlikely. More likely he stays in the south. I am cheering for VaTech now that we are out.
I fully trust in Urban Meyer but this is a mistake. You will see this kid drafted in the 1st or 2nd round of the NFL draft someday. you never ever let a talent like this go, no matter what, not overly concerned with depth (except at O-Line), unless we get Bell or Foster then Im really bummed out how this class is finishing out altho I know Urbans style, he will surprise us.
Oh well we need to build a solid team not a herd of RB's! Would have been nice but, Oh well.
Wherever you are, there you be!
or maybe green decided on another school
O H I O is the Buckeye State
It was simple. OSU didn't have spots left for Green and want to fill other needs.
Positions of other need have players they feel good about.
OSU feels good about Mike Mitchell and Tyquan Lewis.
I see Worley probably ending up in the class.
Shelton Gibson probably too once all is set aside and worked out.
To question our staff on this decision is not really loyal. Obviously if the guys rating recruits on all these sites were so good, they would be working at a school as recruiting coordinators. I will never question Urban and staff on a standard (4-5 stars) that is created by some backup qb like Tom Luginbill.
derek,
can you explain why you feel worley will be in this class? he doesn't seem to fit a need for us adequately, and, he seems a bit of a reach. even if bell isn't coming (which i think is the case if worley does) i just don't get it.
sfgoods
i think derek is trying to say the staff doesn't feel confident about bell? seems like a logical conclusion. although i got that feeling when they took darron lee.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but everyone offered by Meyer in the state of Ohio for this class has had a committable offer to my knowledge, outside of Mitch Trubisky.
I just have no reason to believe that Worley's isn't committable either, especially with a visit to FNL on tap. It can be said that he is coming to the camp to earn the offer but I don't see that being the case. I think he was asked to come to get a chance to push for a commit.
It's definitely a situation that can be argued upon, and I could be wrong.
I think the Ohio kids at this camp with offers (Munger, Gibson, and Worley) could very well be Buckeyes, whether public or not.
Derek,
you really didn't answer SFGoody's entire question. If you believe that Worley will be a part of this class, then where does this leave Vonn Bell? Will a spot still be available to him to the end if Worley does in fact commit, making it 5 DBs? And what are the chances that Bell commits?
I honestly will be disappointed if Worley commits as I think it will be a waste of a scholly. In my opinion there are 5-6 spots left between a handful of guys (Mitchell, Lewis, Munger, Finley, Foster, Quick, Gibson and Bell). That's 8 right there who can all become part of the class. By adding Worley, that eliminates one of the other guys who are all better recruits.
I don't think OSU will take Foster
I feel that OSU trails MSU for Finley
I still feel that OSU trails UL for Quick
It might be an indication if they take Worley that they aren't confident in getting Bell
I understand the disappointment in not getting Bell but Worley can play too.
I really don't like this, Green may be the best of this years class. I know we are loaded at RB, but I'd hate to see a stud go up north. Bucktoooooooth, heeyaw.
When I was a kid, my folks always told me to steer clear of people who randomly shout out their own name.
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It says that urban is confident on his chance of landing a top few WR's
I wish the NCAA wouldn't have taken those scholarships. IMHO Green would have been a Buckeye just to make the RBs STACKED. However, that's not the case...I hope you are right Derek. Those you spoke of are who I really want personally (and Green too but oh well). As long as it's not tTUN, which I highly doubt it will be. I tend to think he'll go to Alabama, Auburn or stay close to home and go to VA Tech.
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Put this on another thread but in case others do not know,Terrance Talbott is conveniently leaving Hoke's program. Just in time to provide a second open recruiting spot. One for Treadwell the other for Green. What a coincidence.
Fortmeyer-
Given that Talbott was a Jr. who was pushing J.T. Floyd for the starting spot, I highly doubt Hoke gave him the boot to make room for an incoming freshman.
Woodysglasses - That was my thought initially but they were saying at MGO that it would open a spot to add Green. I think it gives them room to add one more for 2013 with him moving on that would not have been open previously since he is only a junior. And that the one more would put them at the 25 man limit. Hope that may make sense.
Love it...
This feels sort of like: "You dont choose Ohio State. Ohio State chooses you."
I agree woodys glasses...attrition happens. he was potentially in the 2 deep for Michigan this year. I remember seeing an article about him pushing JT Floyd for the starting corner spot opposite Blake Countess. Valuable enough for Michigan (who knows what it feels like to be painfully thin in the secondary) wouldn't want him to go, regardless of who they could potentially sign. So all this "convenient" crap is just that; convenient. People need to try to look at things without bias
Exactly. Bottom line is that there is no way Michigan would trade an experienced corner for a high school prospect.
I agree Woody's Glasses. I also kind of think that we as fans of the BUCKEYES, should not do as much rooting for actual Buckeye players, who have gone through training camps and god know's what else, for a high school kid who never has been a Buckeye.
WEIMERAD - You would be disappointed? If Worley is good enough for Urban and staff, he better be damn good enough for you. I can't stand when people like you act so ignorant!
Settle down 125, I think I can interpret. He's saying he'd be disappointed if getting Worley meant that we'd have to give up on a guy like Bell, who is without a doubt a huge talent. I don't think anyone disagrees there.
Sure, we trust the staff on Worley, but missing out on the wishlist guys will always be a little disappointing.
let him go to VT so he can be a good college back and never make it to the NFL (its similar to the Iowa Running Back Hating God, only this god keeps VT backs healthy)
/Duff'd It
Anybody trying to downplay Green is insane. This kid has stud written all over him and is easily more talented than any back on our roster...
I.8 said it right. Michigan [likely] went throught this week by taking a 4* in Ross Douglas, essentially eliminating a top 50 guy in Leon McQuay III. We're very happy to have Douglas, but if by taking Douglas meant that we won't get McQuay, it's bittersweet.
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^^^Come on man, there's no way you know that Derrick Green is going to outshine even one of our current running backs. NO WAY to know. He's a very talented prospect, but that doesnt guarantee success at the collegiate level.
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@spreston derrick green is not as talented as carlos hyde.
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
Ok so what RB on our current roster is a absolute lock?? Carlos Hyde gets me excited the most but none of them are really proven. Yes they all have potential and are very gifted, but as far as production on the field but nobody has stepped up and put a choke hold on it since Beans left. Now I cant predict the future and guarantee that Green will pan out, but from what ive seen of him he damn sure looks like he's gonna tear it up in college. Dont get me wrong I like our current backs, but Green looks to be something special. I bleed Scarlet n Grey so either way im going to support my team. I just wish we would have kept recruitng him. If he goes to scUM he will get an oppurtunity to remind us of what we could have had for the next four years lol.
First, Derrick Green is not as good as Carlos Hyde, Rod Smith, Warren Ball, or Bri'onte Dunn right now. I will not say a kid who hasn't played his senior year in high school yet can step in and be our starting running back, haha.
Second, Virginia Tech just had a running back drafted the last 2 years . David Wilson to the New York Giants just this year in the first round. In 2011 draft Ryan Williams was drafted by Cardinals in 2nd round and Darren Evans signed as undrafted free agent and made team with the Colts, a la Brandon Saine with the Packers.
Ohio State has Boom Herron, Beanie Wells, and Brandon Saine in NFL.
Both 3 RB's in NFL, both a 1st Rd pick, but VT a 2nd rounder. It's not as skewed as one would believe.
Hyde is probably the "best" RB because we've seen the most of him. Hate to sound cliche, but if Smith ever "gets it" mentally, he is probably the most "talented" in my opinion. He's got a chance to make an impression this year so we will see if he can back up my claim haha. I'm rooting for him!
But agree wholeheartedly that not allowing a spot in the class for someone like Green is perplexing...he is a STUD, I just hope OSU doesn't have to face him now for 4 years. It seems ridiculous to bring in close to 10 DL guys over two years and not make room for a 5-star back. Like I said before though, I can't and I'm not a coach so I'll leave it alone. The good news....E. Elliot looks like a HELL of a back to and fits what the staff is trying to do on offense. Mix that in with guys like Jalin and Braxton (eventually Barrett) along with the current stable of backs, OSU will be fine. But they'd be even better with Green.
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Bringing in 4 RB's in 2 years would be comparable to bringing in the 7 DL guys we have. You can't really argue either way.
I'm not saying what is wrong/right either way...if we had the usual 85 spots instead of 82, this wouldn't be an issue and the staff would, in all likelihood, be pursuing Green very hard. Luxuries versus needs I suppose. But with Miller, Bennett, Hale, Spence, Schutt, Washington, Pittman, Sprinkle, Bosa, Hill, Hankins (prob will go pro with a good season this year), etc. I don't think Tyquan necessarily fits the "need" category. I know the Viper role (Lewis' assumed position?) is a bit different, but I'm sure there are freak athletes on the roster already who can probably fill that role. Guys like Perkins and Marcus could play it perhaps.
Overall, it's a bummer. With 85 ships, none of this would even be argued, because we'd be able to take Green if he wanted in. We'd also be able to take both Worley and Bell with 85 if we wanted to. And maybe two WR's or another QB. All of this is because of the number's crunch and it just kinda sucks to see a talented player like Green told "he is no longer being recruited" because of the numbers game and because there are more pressing needs.
I have the utmost faith that UFM and crew know what the hell they are doing and the results will prove such, I'm sure. So, in short, I'm not going to worry. One guy won't make or break the class at a place like OSU. But ideally, in a perfect world with the normal 85 to give, it would've been awesome to see Derrick Green make it in as a Buckeye. If only there were perfect worlds...
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Honestly OSU's track record with RBs in the league is not very good. Beanie has been a starter, but somwhat disappointing and we haven't really had a great one since Eddie. Clarret probably could have made it had he stayed out of trouble and off the Goose, but we'll never know. Saine fits well in GBs offense so maybe he'll be the next OSU guy to break out in the NFL.
I'll be bold here but I think the class is basically full at this point.
15 in the bag, and I see Gibson, Worley, Munger, Lewis, and Mitchell picking OSU making 20. I don't know when. I think soon for some of these guys.
I think with a good performance Devon Allen would have an opportunity to be added if he wants in. The Gibson saga is hard to read. He could be allowed to commit at FNL or he may still have work to do. I'm not clear on that.
With those 20 there could be a spot left or so where they chase guys like Quick, Bell, etc. That's my guess at this point, but it is a guess.
^Agree with that prediction. But there's still plenty of time to figure it out right? I mean OSU recruited in basically two months to fill its 2012 class. Never know what could happen. Might be a de-commit somewhere down the road or we might pick up a guy who "blows" up during his senior season. I think those are the guys they want though so perhaps we are technically "full" at this point in time.
You add a guy like a Foster, Bell, or Quick and this class quickly becomes top 2-5 in terms of quality, assuming it isn't already. Depending where you get your info from, Michigan, Texas, OSU, Florida could all fill one of those spots. But in terms of "star" players and avg. player rating, USC's class won't be beat this year..
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