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Also, just got to this part of the article. Just... wow.

Spanier came to her home and sat in her living room after Paterno lost his temper at the meeting about the players involved in the brawl. She said he told her, "Well, Vicky, you are one of a handful of people, four or five people, who have seen the dark side of Joe Paterno. We're going to have to do something about it."

Scripted board meetings so there were no controversies? Yikes.  

I think I recall seeing some piece of PSU recruiting mail that essentially said they've never had an NCAA violation (or something to that nature).  Anyone else recall that?  Well, now we know why.

EDIT: Found it: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-09/sports/30376842_1_penn-state-recruits-top-recruiters-shower

In the poll a couple days ago, I voted against the Death Penalty.  I now see what Bucksfan has been saying, and that maybe football should be suspended for a couple years.  There needs to be a culture change that won't be driven by football, and not having a season or two would guarantee that.  As others have said, it would be nice to see Penn State voluntarily give it up... it's the only way for them to show they are serious about starting over.

Penn State's "clean" reputation was manufactured by cover-ups. If we could only know why else Joe covered up... seems like there was a lot covered up in 2007.

we got a year of probation for allowing players to trade in ***their own property*** for a service. if that sounds like simple capitalism to you, you're right spot !@#$ing on. 

a little more egregious (but not a deadly sin) was usc giving reggie bush essentially a salary for his work. a little more shady, but still sounds like capitalism to me. they got 3 years, if i'm not mistaken.

then we have the folks over in "holier than thou" happy valley. penn state aided and abetted ***LIFE SENTENCE FELONIES*** for at least a decade. you say it would be a disservice to penn state because of lost revenue? well, their brain trust deserves to be taken out back and ol' yellered after what they did. forget football. we're talking about a heinous disregard for the united states justice system here.

we'll see if there's any consistency in the system; yet, i suspect that the ncaa just simply doesn't have the testicles to do what's appropriate.

Comparing the tattoos and the USC situation to the PSU situation is very much apples to oranges.  The issue with the first two is that they violate the precepts of amateurism, not capitalism.  The PSU situation has nothing to do with amateurism.  Protecting amateurism is one of the NCAA's main roles and therefore may not intervene.  However they do have rules regarding ethical conduct and could very well exercise those in this case.  I can see the argument for the NCAA either getting involved or staying away, neither outcome would surprise me.  There is no doubt that what happened in the PSU case is worse, but there are no OSU or USC people spending the rest of their lives in jail, a much worse and more appropriate punishment than anything the NCAA could levy.

When a legal issue is covered up to protect the image and good name of a football program - amateurism means shit.

If this article doesn't hammer home the absolutely NECESSITY for the death penalty, I'm not sure what more people could need to see to see the blatantly obvious.

I wasn't making a value statement about protecting amateurism, I was simply saying that that is what the NCAA's primary jurisdiction is.  When was Storm Klein punished by the NCAA?  If you mean getting kicked off the team, that was a purely internal process and Paterno was fired (as were Curley and Spanier).  Look I am not saying that there is any moral equivalence between the PSU and OSU situations, the point is jurisdiction.  If the NCAA wants to stretch their's to a place it has rarely and maybe never been, I would not really have a problem with it, however it isn't that cut and dry.

I wonder how O'Brien is feeling right now...

@RDUBS

But Storm didn't get commit a felony and Gee, Gene, and Meyer didn't cover it up for years.

I've heard of Triponey's story before...not sure how this changes what the NCAA will do nor my stance that NCAA will not view this as a "Football" matter (even though as I've said before...I think they should).  It all happened on or with a present/former football coach, not to mention head of Second Mile org., and had access to PSU facilities (and ppl tried to stop it bc they knew PSU Football was out of control by going to the Penn. DA and they covered it up too.  Now that guy (Ray Gricar) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar  has disappeared...hmm).  All that in mind, those accounted for who are gone at PSU, will get further criminal penalties for withholding information additional to their previous charges (that lets be honest with one another, we all knew before the Freeh report what it would entail...Joe didn't use email...but he skypes recruits...common man).  I'm still sticking with what most analysts are saying on how they feel NCAA will go forward by considering this a legal matter and the football program "may be" placed under probation for the violations of lack of institutional control and others, if there are any penalties given...???

in regards to klein- my point was that you have to throw a kid off...or the ncaa does it for you through suspensions and then hits you with the "lack of institutional control" tag. nowhere does it say, "oh, gee- you know, the judge really threw the book at the kid over that rape incident. i think he's suffered enough. let him suit up saturday."

if the ncaa did follow the policy which you referred to earlier of not interfering in criminal cases,  ultra- talented kids like cam newton would steal laptops and stay at their schools until kingdom come.