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We talk about the NCAA penalizing Penn State as if that's the worst thing that could be done to PSU as an institution. The Dept of Education is investigating this as a violation of the Clery Act. Education can penalize PSU the institution by suspending their participation in federal student financial aid programs. This would include all of the following programs: Federal Pell Grant, Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant, Federal Work Study, Federal Perkins Loan, Federal Stafford Loans, Federal Parent Loan for Undergraduate Students (PLUS), and Federal Graduate PLUS Loan for graduate and professional degree students.

Think about how much damage that would do. 70% of PSU students receive one or more of these types of aid. It would pretty much end the school as we know it.

If I were a PSU  student, I would be praying for NCAA sanctions rather than this.

^^^I'm not sure whose comments you are referring to, but if you took my comments as some sort of "support" for Penn State, then that deeply saddens me.

Edit - If you are referring to comments from the article in the link then I apologize.

Thanks for the link and there still are and forever will be supporters of Paterno regardless. Very sad indeed.  Comments are referred to in the article Pam linked above, CincyOSU, from Penn Live. As for the Clery act and other thoughts on the possible issues PSU could face, this from BBC that I posted on another thread, explains a few things that may help.

Thought provoking article from BBC. So much involved in this investigation it is a lot to comprehend as to what it could entail. Interesting to say the least.

http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2012/06/why-penn-state-matters/

Death penalty depends on the interpretation of the following bylaw:

Ethical Conduct
Standards of Honesty and Sportsmanship (Bylaw 10.01.1) – Individuals employed by (or associated with) a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics and all participating student-athletes shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals shall represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associate with wholesome competitive sports.
Unethical Conduct (Bylaw 10.1) – Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member may include, but is not limited to, the following:
• Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual’s institution;
• Knowing involvement in arranging for fraudulent academic credit or false transcripts for a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete;
• Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or enrolled student- athlete an improper inducement or extra benefit or improper financial aid;
• Knowingly furnishing the NCAA or the individual’s institution false or misleading information concerning the individual’s involvement in or knowledge or matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation;
• Receipt of benefits by an institutional staff member for facilitation or arranging a meeting between a student-athlete and an agent, financial advisor or a representative of an agent of advisor (e.g., “runner”), or
• Knowing involvement in providing a banned substance or impermissible supplement to student-athletes, or knowingly providing medications to student- athletes contrary to medical licensure, commonly accepted standards of care in sports practice, or state or federal law.

Sadly I think cincy is right.. I don't think we'll ever see another "death penalty" sanction, especially at a high-level university like Penn State. There's just too much money involved, and it's obvious from the treatment of the CFB postseason that the NCAA is very $-aware.

One of the commenters in the Penn Live article said the death penalty would be humane at this point.  He's correct.  The Freeh report could have a lot of info that bombs Penn State into oblivion.  Loss of federal money, losing the lawsuit the insurance company has filed, loss of donors.  Penn State is going to lose a ton of money.  I think they'll probably make it through it,  but anything the NCAA can do to their football team is going to be minor in scope compared to  the other problems the institution is facing. 

Once the Freeh report is released I think there will be a wave of outcry to take the statue down, but knowing PSU I doubt it will happen.

The saddest thing in all of this is the fact that something could have been done. Who knows how many kids could have been spared from abuse at the hands of Sandusky if something was done. If someone at Penn State was more concerned with the kids involved than in protecting the university and the image of the football program and their jobs, other boys would not have been abused. These jackasses in leadership at Penn State knew Sandusky was a pedophile and did NOTHING! For that reason I will never have ANY respect for Penn State, PERIOD!

Wow - Reading the comments (of the linked story) & seeing just how many people are still mindlessly worshipping. At this point - it seems like the evidence that Joe P took part in covering things up is substantial.

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Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't a large part of our NCAA ruling for covering up our knowledge about the impermissible benefits?

Wouldn't that apply for Penn State?  

@Rockhbuck

I believe that is the case. They originally ruled a very small issue for OSU but a big issue for the players. That changed when the cover-up was revealed. Like I said earlier, tattoos and cover-up = 3 scholarships for 2 years. Child molestation and cover-up = much more IMO.

It is an interesting NCAA issue, but sad that it is even up for debate.  Failure by a Head Football Coach, Athletic Director, and University President to report to the police (let alone the NCAA or the PSU Board of Trustees) known, although alleged at the time, child sex abuse by Sandusky fits my interpretation of the NCAA's definition of unethical conduct.  All involved in the cover up should be punished pursuant to state and/or federal criminal and civil law and also by the NCAA.

Wait for the Freeh report to come out.  We have seen a couple of leaks so far about emails and things, but they have been conducting the investigation since what November?  That information in that report is going to blow Penn State up.  There will be plenty of evidence in that report for Penn State to get picked apart and punished by several governing bodies, including the NCAA. 

Football and the Penn State brand may have been what they were trying to protect, but after that report comes out and stuff really hits the fan, football and sanctions are going to be the least of Penn State's worries.

And what do you know about his coaching abilities???

The most disturbing part for me is that numerous officials, INCLUDING Joe Pa knew what had taken place and Sandusky continued to have a key & access to Joe Pa's locker room!! I've read comments on the PSU board & they actually have fans stating that nothing should happen to the football program because those involved are either gone, in jail or dead! Really?? Is everyone brainwashed over there?? The more I read it seems as if Joe Pa ran it all!! Maybe a red flag should've been waved in 04 when he was asked to step down & he replied with "I'll leave when I'm ready to"

@ CincyOSU --- it's pretty clear from watching McQueary's Offenses, that he wasn't going up for the Broyles Award. Do you really think he was a good coach? There is a lot more to this story...some of it we'll never know. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Ray Gricar was ended at the hands of those with connections to the PSU football program.