I still can't get over how PSU football fans do not understand what has just happened. The Black Shoe Diaries outrage is unbelievable. If the NCAA sanctions were intended to hone in the fringe culture and restructure how they react to their football team, it obviously hasn't worked just yet. 24 hours isn't enough time, of course. But they're definitely in the Denial and Anger stages of grief. How long do you think it will take before they start understanding that their university's motives in harboring and enabling a child rapist to use football facilities were strictly to keep their football team's legacy from tarnishing? Will they ever? Apparently there is a Depression stage before the Acceptance stage. Do they have to observe top players leaving Penn State, signaling that they're just another major program and nothing more? Do they need more guidance and leadership constantly hammering home that the President is in charge of the university, not a bronze statue of Joe Paterno?
http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2012/7/24/3181200/bsd-roundtable-ncaa-sa...
The whole "Penn State against the world" saying is unbelievably disrespectful to the victims and their families.
The people on that site saying "Well, Sandusky/Paterno/Curley/Schultz/Spanier are all gone now, why punish people who didn't cover it up?" probably weren't saying "Well, Tressel/Pryor/Posey/Herron/Adams are gone, the NCAA shouldn't give OSU a bowl ban or take away scholarships."
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
They seem to be acting as if they, the fans, are the victims here. That is eggregious to me. They, the fans, haven't been penalized in any way. They still have a football team to watch and they still have the ability to watch them on TV from anywhere in the country. They still have the ability to field a full team (albeit with less scholarships).
Penn State football hasn't disappeared. It could have, but none of them seem grateful that suspending it wasn't the penalty.
And, many keep trying to discredit the Freeh report because it did not interview the people who are implicated in the cover-up. Mind you, Freeh and his team have no subpoena power and that the administrators who were involved would not, or legally could not, discuss this with Freeh given the fact that they are probably facing future litigation. They also do not have the power over Death to resurrect Joe Paterno to further interview him (keep in mind that Joe Paterno had given interviews and he lied repeatedly).
Their reactions are mind-numbingly shortsighted and misplaced.
Penn State will forever be synonymous will child sexual abuse... South Park was the first to take advantage of it, this fall and beyond, in any athletic competiong the school plays in, there will be jeers about it, especially in football (as if people didnt hate them anyway)... if their fans feel like they are innocent bystanders in this case then maybe they should stop being in denial and start accepting reality
Don't forget the excuse that this case is criminal not NCAA and the courts should be punishing PSU and not the NCAA.
Tomorrow
There WILL be much more uncovered during the criminal process. Maybe PSU took the penalty lying down to avoid a full blown investigation by a number of agencies. More pictures at 11.
Yeah, I mean the courts vs. NCAA jurisdiction debate is very common everywhere for some reason, as if that would make it all better. And it would, because they would still have football the way that THEY want it. That's one of the stages of grief that I didn't mention, called the "Bargaining Stage." They're looking at all the options and trying to bargain against what has been taken away (which wasn't much).
just made my first trip over to BSD..all i saw was advertisements..thank you 11w for keeping the site clean and mostly ad-free
5 Stages of PSU die-hards & Paterno family Joe Pa support progression:
- 1. “No way he did that.“
- 2. “Prove it.”
- 3. “It's a misunderstanding. He couldn't have.”
- 4. “Yeah, but other people were at fault too. So let's not focus on Joe.”
- 5. “This Freeh Report is clearly an FBI conspiracy against PSU.”
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
Right on BUCKS 43201!
Anybody who says this is a criminal matter and not an NCAA matter does not accurately understand why the NCAA is sanctioning them. It can be argued that the cover-up led to a competitive advantage, albeit an immeasurable and speculatory one (as in we can only speculate what would have happened if Sandusky was taken care of in 1998). However, that's not why the NCAA is sanctioning them. They're not worried about cheating - they're worried about the culture at Penn State, and this is their way of tearing down the old guard and getting them to build a new guard.
Apparently, some student union or whatever at PSU was taping the students gathered there as they were watching the sanctions being announced on TV. Priceless reactions. Followed by interviews showing that many of the students don't get why the NCAA is sanctioning their school.
Class of 2010.
I don't think a majority of their fans will ever accept these punishments as just.
Let's all just take a collective breath and get over it. I am pretty sure a large collection, if not a majority, of us were kicking and screaming when the santions came our way.
I don't want to preach, let's just grab Dorian Johnson and leave these guys alone ;)
What they don't get is the NCAA isn't punishing PSU for Sandusky. They act like the NCAA wants justice for the children, and they claim that these punishments don't do that. The NCAA has no power to punish a school for breaking federal laws since the laws are not in the NCAA bylaws. The NCAA is punishing the PSU athletic department for a systematic coverup of a criminal act with the department to maintain a competitive football program. That is something that the NCAA has EVERY right to punish a school for.
Cause I couldn't go for three