Eleven Warriors

It will be interesting to see of the Department of Education comes down on the university with sanctions and what effect (if any) that will have on future recruiting. H

Nope...don't expect to see what we did last year with the flips.  No tTUN or Penn State's guys will be flipping.  Sorry but that's what I'm hearing/reading from the recruiting "experts"

It will be over a year for the NCAA to do anything, if they even choose to..which I think they should.

This thread is in poor taste.

I don't see the NCAA touching this period.  They don't want to get their hands dirty trying to deal with this. Much like the PSU leadership, inactivity is going to be their bread and butter

those "experts" prolly didnt see him flipping 4 last yr either. i think we will all be real happy with this class when all is said and done, Urbs is a monster (in a good way) not the sandusky way lol

@Carolina,

Not only will the NCAA touch this, they will be elbow deep in it.  What they do as a consequence is up in the air and might amount to very little, but they cannot be seen as doing nothing in response to this scandal.

* There's nothing poor in taste about the thread topic. The reality that commits to PSU are going to start considering whether going to PSU is still in their best interest is going to happen, whether you like it or not. And even if the commits themselves don't think of it, I guarantee you that their parents will bring the topic up for discussion. Will they flip? Who knows. But the subject will come up.

* Sure would be great to get Dorian. Even if he leaves PSU though he may not come here. I think he was one who wanted to stay really close to home, so maybe Pitt if not PSU?

I also agree that this is thread is inappropriate.

That is a fair assessment derek

Quite frankly,...I'm scratching my head trying to think of what else would constitute a violation of NCAA by-laws 10.4 and 2.1 which "commands ethical conduct" from all college institutions then this very scandal. Does anyone think that the SMU recruiting scandal is more unethical than this one? I don't.

I can see both sides, but the PSU put theirselves in this position, if hiding this is to protect the football team and their shiny program, or the legendary coach then they need to own up to it, after all these were pre-young men and we have no idea the damage that it brought to their lives.

So I am still confused, What exactly does the NCAA have to slap violations on Penn State? I mean I just thought Penn State would deal with criminal charges. Also side note that is kind of funny, this article from FoxSports suggest the Death Penelty, which I think is just extreme, Here is the link
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/penn-state-should-lose-fo...

Okay thank you @Maestro. That still wouldnt warrent anything close to the Death Penelty though, maybe just a bowl band or scholarship reduction. 

NCAA is designed to govern athletics in the best interest of the student athlete and to ensure that all programs compete on a level field.  The PSU scandal did not involve a student athlete and in no way gave PSU a competitive advantage.  When head coaches get DUI's, or wreck motorcycles with young mistresses, the NCAA does nothing.  Therefore the program will remain untouched by the NCAA.  

However, this problem is a university problem, not an athletic one.  Using the aforementioned head coach reference, it is the university that typically takes action.  That being said, PSU has taken action to rid itself of the 4 people that apparently orchestrated the entire coverup.  While what happened is terrible and unimaginable, it appears to be a direct result of 4 people failing to take action.  If those four people are punished, what else should be done?  Do we want another situation where we punish the innocent for the wrongdoings of a few?  That's not for me to decide, but I am sure there are accrediting organizations and other academic organization that will follow up on this.  Perhaps PSU will be placed on some sort of academic probation and that their administration and protocols will be in for a drastic overhaul.

@ Optimistic

Surprised you take that stance since the exact same thing could be said of Ohio State. We fired Tressel and suspended all players involved, even essentially kicked Pryor off the team when Fickell wouldn't return his phone calls. Yet here we are. Bunch of kids and coaches who had nothing to do with the "violations" being banned from a bowl with scholarship reductions. And say whatever you want, we had no competitive advantage. If tats give you an advantage, then concealing child rape at your football program and university constitutes as a recruiting advantage that you would otherwise not have due to the negative press that you're avoiding.

@Optimist

I think the issue is that, what else can the NCAA do but punish the current students. Everyone else involved is dead or gone. This did involve student athletes... because the people involved did this to protect the school and the football program. Hiding criminal acts to save face for the football program gave Penn State a competitive advantage because the football program would have been effected negatively had they came out with this. I can say it will be hurt even more now for not coming out with this immediatly, but that goes to show you what doing the wrong thing gets you.

To save face, Penn State facilitated further child rapes putting them just as as fault as Sanducky in my book. They did so for the football program, therefore the football program should be part of the punishment to show that there are consiquences for actions.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7251458/penn-state-nittan...

"NCAA spokesman Bob Williams said attorneys for the legislative body have confirmed the Penn State circumstances apply to a possible violation of unethical behavior standards and possible violation of rules of institutional control and oversight. Williams said the NCAA has not launched an enforcement investigation but instead a review that could prompt a formal investigation if recommended by the NCAAs senior management group. "

I would say that the NCAA doesn't agree with you Optimistic. If what happened at Penn State with the head football coach essentially overruling his superiors in how they were going to handle an issue of ethics and legality does not constitue as a complete lack of institutional control, then I'm not sure they can ever apply LOIC again without the entire country laughing at them.

But I will say that I agree that they probably will do nothing simply because it's the opposite of what makes sense and whatever makes the most sense is usually what the NCAA ensures they don't do.

I could not disagree more with those people who think this isn't a competitive advantage or at the very least a sign of LOIC.

When you find out that one of your coaches is a child rapist, you report him to the authorities.  I don't mean the governing administrative compliance board at PSU...I mean the police.  Plain and simple.

The Freeh report, however, shows that Paterno and others were worried about a PR backlash on their beloved football program.  Included in that has to be that they were concerned that such news would scare recruits' parents away from sending their kid to Penn State.  Or that they were worried about an NCAA sanction or the like on their football program.  Such as the one that's hanging over their head today. 

Once they chose not to report him the first time, then each subsequent time they had to confront this issue they resorted to the same logic and convinced themsevles they were doing the "humane" thing. 

The driving force at all relevant times, however, was their fear of tarnishing the football program at PSU.  That's what's behind this.  Penn State is a football school.  Paterno is a football God.  They let those facts compromise the duties they had to the student body, to their staff, and to anyone on campus visiting from a nearby charity--like the child victims here. 

When you let the football program compromise your ethical protocol, you have no institutional control.  And, yes, you did do it for a competitive advantage.  You wanted PSU's footballl reputation to remain untarnished.  Because it was this spotless reputation and your legendary coach that gave you a competitive advantage over other schools.  It's what attracted the top assistant coaches to your school, it's what drove the top recruits in the nation to your school, and it's what led to the millions of dollars from boosters to your football program.

Penn State should and will be punished.  Book it.

People have as much right to post their opinions that this thread sucks as those who are eagerly discussing the the topic. Just saying. I get tired of the "if you don't like the topic - don't post" horse shit I see. Nobody preached at anyone - they just expressed they thought the thread was not appropriate. Maybe it is maybe it isn't but their view of the subject matter is as valid as anyone else's.

I am just playing devil's advocate here.  I can see why the NCAA would not get involved.  If the NCAA does go after them, then it will be because of the reasons stated above - that they did all this due to fear of compromising the athletic program.  The NCAA will have to be able to relate this to athletics somehow and that may give them the link they need.  Hence, why the NCAA is apparently on record calling it a POSSIBLE violation.  Bobby Petrino did not abide by any ethical standards when he used his position to have an affair with someone he hired into the athletic department, but you don't see the NCAA going after him for unethical behavior standards.  Everyone is forgetting that the NCAA control ATHLETICS, without a link to athletics I don't think they can do anything.  But, as was pointed out, the Freeh report may have estblished this link.

We will see what the NCAA will do.  They may set new precedent here.  But in the past, they have never went after a coach for breaking a law.  Granted this PSU stuff is on a much more serious level than DUIs and other criminal law breaking.  

Optimistic - I appreciate your thoughts on this subject.

You do raise something I had not thought about in regards to Petrino and his situation at Arkansas and his use of his position and its perks to have an extra-marital affair and hire his mistress to work in the program. His actions were unethical, for sure, yet as far as I know, as you brought up, the NCAA has not gotten involved. It does seem that not all unethical behavior is viewed in the same light nor are actions taken in each incident.

I don't know, I mean the reason I'm so upset about the Penn State stuff is the abuse that took place and could have been avoided. I just feel like something should be done. I do believe that the cover-up took place because protect the image of the football program and the Penn State brand. 

As you said, we shall see...

Check out Michael McCann of SI.com article (linked below) and specifically the section entitled "Legal and NCAA Implications for Penn State".  He cites a couple Articles of the NCAA Constitution (including what TennBuck19 cited) and how one could argue that Penn State should receive sanctions. 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/michael_mccann/07/12/freeh-report-penn-state-reaction/index.html

I see both sides of it and am definitely in the punish PSU corner. I do feel like however, Optimistic may be right that the NCAA stays away from this issue all together.

If they give a death penalty you'll have people crying its too harsh, if they don't give the death penalty, you'll have people say its not hard enough.

By abstaining for the whole situation, they can simply point that all living people have been prosecuted and it wasn't a football issue (even though it is)
 

Based upon their passive nature to date, I honestly do not see the NCAA becoming involved in this, as sad as that is.

Steensn - Miami is going to get punished. Just because there is nothing in the news NOW, doesn't mean anything. We likely won't here anything regarding sanctions until sometime during the upcoming season or even after.

@buckeye76BHop

I think th earticle misses one point on this, the question of "why?" Why did they have a cover-up? If it was to protect the football program then it is a football issue. If they made an active decision, because of the football program, to facilitate not acting on the first TWO instances and then facilitating further rapes for the benefit of the football program. To me, that is not only a criminal action but an athletic issue. If a teacher had done this, would the university handled it the same way? No way. The fact this was done by a long time Penn State football coach, pushed to be hidden by the long time legendary Penn State football  head coach, and covered up by Penn State officials... all for the sake of the football program.

IMO, if the reasons are because of the football program it is then an athletics issue.

Yeah, but the same thing is true for anyone involved with USC or OSU. They all got their cash and tats and left before they were banned from the bowl game. It hasn't stopped them in the past...