With the new playoff you can pretty much say goodbye to Big Ten Champ vs Pac 12 Champ happening frequently. With the bowl rotation situation the Rose Bowl will still matter, but most seasons it will just be a nice bowl game between non-conference-champs.
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IF the B1G and PAC 12 both consistently have teams in the Semi's, then yes I agree. But, it sounds like the Rose Bowl would only be a part of the playoff once every three years. If that is the case, we may end up seeing a lot of conference-champion from one league vs. conference-runner up from the other league.
That truly isn't much different than what we've grown accustomed to seeing in the Rose Bowl over the last 10-12 years. At minimum, the Rose Bowl will hopefully get a consistent B1G vs. PAC matchup two out of every three years.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
let's face it, the rose bowl is only relevant once every 5 years anyways.
Honestly, The Rose Bowl IS a great footnote from OSU's history, but I'm MUCH more interested in OSU having success at the upper tier in our country, than the Rose Bowl.
not overly concerned with the luster of the rose bowl
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
I think you're blowing things out of proportion a bit.
1) The Rose Bowl will still keeps it's "luster." It might lose "some," but it surely will still be one of the top 4 premiere bowls.
2) It will still likely feature a B1G opponent vs. a PAC opponent. If each conference has team ranked in the top 4, mark my words the B1G and the PAC representatives will be picked to play each other in the Rose Bowl. If one conference has a representative and the other doesn't, then you'll see, basically like, what you see today - i.e., the #1 from the PAC playing against the #2 B1G, or vice-versa.
3) If it's the odd-year where the top 4 don't play in the Rose Bowl, and the B1G and the PAC both have representatives, then you'll see the #2 B1G and the #2 PAC play each other in the Rose Bowl.
I really don't think this is that much of a change. I think you're really blowing things out of proportion here.
OK Scarlet Buck, you got a lot out of 2 sentences. Here is something you won't ever see again.
There is no denying that the game will lose some luster. Some can say they don't care, but I don't really think the lost luster is debatable. Before yesterday the Rose Bowl hosted conference champions in most cases, many times B1G/PAC, and once every 4 seasons it ALSO hosted the BCS NCG. Now it will get to host a semifinal game once every 4 seasons and the other years it might get a conference champion participant.
I didn't claim that it was the end of the world. It undoubtedly, IMHO, decreases the significance of my favorite bowl game.
vacuuming sucks
This image was obselete last year with the invention of the B1G Championship Game.
Actually it wasn't. Here is evidence from last season.
vacuuming sucks
Ok.. But the original image was @ TTUN thus making it cool.
Wiscy would be in the rose bowl last year after that game 1/3 of the time.
Sadly, I may never get the opportunity to sit in the Rose Bowl with my dad and my son and enjoy a high quality exhibition game while watching the beautiful sunset behind the San Gabriel mountains. And yeah, I did say exhibition. I understand the Rose Bowl is, in most years, a glorified exhibition, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes it's good to be reminded of what football is: meaningless entertainment. I don't need an undisputed national champion every year. Sometimes the debate is what makes it fun, gives us stuff to talk about, and ultimately reminds us that "its just a game". The old bowl system was a reminder that it is just a game. Those who gravitated towards college football were generally the more rational who were able to keep sports in the proper perspective and thus didn't necessarily care about having an "undisputed champion". Those who wanted a team to live vicariously through and championships by which to measure their self-worth gravitated towards the NFL. The difference in gameday environments and the demeanor of college and pro fans is staggering. That gap is closing however. I fear there will be a day when i refuse to take my son to Ohio Stadium (as I refuse now to take my nephew to Paul Brown Stadium) and it's mostly because we are moving towards a system that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Ask yourself why. Why do you need an undisputed champion? Is it really that important to you? If it is, then you need to reassess your priorities.
Woohoo !!!! Don't make CFB = NFL.
vacuuming sucks
Right on Maestro.
The great thing about CFB was its stubborn refusal never to give in to the clammoring of "the mob", and that was great because I never wanted that mob to be part of my gameday atmosphere. But now they're giving in, and soon we'll have gameday environments as unbearable as the NFL. Slowly but surely it will happen.
Nice post, Maestro. Yes, the Rose Bowl will lose luster.
First, the Rose Bowl will go from being in the NCG rotation to the semifinal rotation.
Moreover, logistically, the matchups figure to not work out as well for the Rose Bowl. In the BCS era, the Rose Bowl has generally had excellent matchups, with a few exceptions - see below. Given the proposed changes, several of the better (non-BCS championship game) matchups would have been jeopardized - 1999, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2012 (although Stanford v. Wisc last year would have been very good as well).
Even in the years when the Rose Bowl had the Big Ten vs. Pac-10 relationship (mid-1940's and on), the Big Ten had a rule until the early 1970s where no team could go to the Rose Bowl in consecutive seasons. So, the Big Ten champ was not always the representative in those early decades. There was about 30 years of non-Big Ten/Pac-10 history with the Rose Bowl before that. And with the onset of the BCS, the Ohio State was only in the Rose Bowl once.
So, the Big Ten/Pac-10 champ matchup only happened for about 25 years, and has been disrupted since.
It does sort of suck that we might not be chewing on Roses at the end of the season, but playoffs are a superior system. If Ohio State happens to land in the Rose Bowl, GO!
Bucksfan: that's a reasonable argument from a fan's perspective, yet the Big Ten power brokers claimed that preserving the importance of the Rose Bowl relationship was essential to any compromise on a playoff. Okay, so did they do that? However Maestro feels as a fan, his point raises a serious question for Big Ten/P12 officials.
Moreover, how does the Rose Bowl feel about this set up? We've been told the last 10-20 years that the college fball power brokers are beholden to the bowl $ and lobbying power, etc., yet does this model support that characterization?
I guess my point is that the "luster" is already compromised. It got compromised when the Rose Bowl selected Texas after the 2004 season instead of Cal. The Rose Bowl had a choice to take a qualified Pac-10 team. They didn't.
I think what can happen in this scenario is that IF the Rose Bowl hosts a semi-game, AND both the Big Ten and Pac-10 are selected to the final 4, the Rose Bowl will get BOTH teams...even if they're #1 and #2 in the polls. If you're 9-3 and knock off Iowa in the B1G championship game, you're going to the Rose Bowl 66% of the time.
So, the luster is changing, but the B1G race is definitely going to have roses on the horizon quite a bit.