Still out of the country for the next couple days but wanted to let you all know RB Ty Isaac has committed to USC.
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And the MgoBlog Board is already saying "We don't need him, Deveon Smith is better."
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/isaac-done-taking-visits?page=2#comment-1590157
He looks like he will be a stud. Too bad.
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Agreed, Maestro. Glad we won't have to find out first hand whether or not he pans out.
To be fair to MgoBlog, there are quite a lot of people disappointed and shocked at the news. I expected him to go to UM at first, but it's been trending toward USC for quite a while now, and I read that he took his mom out on his last visit as well.
I also read that UM fans are wanting to go for Derrick Green now.
I'll take it. Better he go out west to a school that the Buckeyes might never even play while he's in school than to Michigan.
Yep, saw the same thing. Even had a comment on there from one guy thinking that Green will gladly jump on board now. Delusional.
With the offensive line they are bringing in they could get Sam Mcguffie back at tailback fer godsakes....;)
there are plenty of delusional people in every fan base. I'm very surprised to see him go to USC, but can't say I'm too upset about it. I think UM will go after Green, but who knows. He seems like a Clemson lean at the moment.
I completely understand the hold USC would have on a young recruit, but I can't help but think that as of recent it's been the place where outstanding, 5 star RBs (and sometimes WRs) go to have their careers fade and die. Every since Reggie Bush left, they have had a stable of the-next-Reggie-Bush type RB recruits, and none of them have panned out well. Good luck to the kid.
Big disappointment. And, for me, very surprising. I really thought he was coming to Michigan. Few of us think we have a chance with Green, but then I would have predicted that we'd get Isaac. So who knows. Some think that as stylish a runner as Isaac was, Derrick Green is really a prototypical Al Borges runner. (And who knew that there was a prototypical Al Borges runner?)
We only have maybe 4 '13 scholarships left. Our situation (super-strong OL commits, Shane Morris, and no other 5-star RB's) would seem to be perfect on paper for a stud RB. We'll take only one more; the other spots will surely go to the S and DL positions. This is really a bummer of recruiting day for us. By subtraction, a very good day for you guys.
@M MAN - Isn't that singular spot you're referring to saved for Treadwell?
I really thought all along that this kid was USC bound. This is a great pickup by the Trojans. Unfortunatley this may be just the opprotunity needed for Derrick Green to head up north.
@HOLYBUCKEYE - Eh, maybe. Seems like he's been high on OSU for a while, and recently has said that they've been recruiting him pretty hard. Gotta think that Michigan pulled a McNeil and has had him on their backburner whilst they went all in on Isaac.
Tsun didn't get the RB they coveted? BAHAHAHA
Hodge, you are totally correct. I do think that we have a spot saved for Treadwell, and that in fact Treadwell has been told that there will be a place for him any time he chooses to take it. That's my understanding. Our numbers now are a little unclear. We may have as few as 3 or as many as 5 spots left. The wish list looks somthing like: Treadwell, Poggi, Vanderdoes, Cravens and the Winner of the 2016 Heisman Trophy.
I hear what ur saying, that he is their backup plan. I have wanted Green in this class from day one! The depth chart at scUM is much thinner at RB than at OSU. With Dunn, Ball, Smith, Hyde, and Elliott all going to be on the roster by 2013. Maybe it will matter to Green, maybe it wont. The only silver lining in the two recent decommits is that they happened early in the process. This gives the coaching staff quite a while to target new prospects.
MMan- What do ur numbers look like right now with schollys left and graduating seniors? Obviously you can't count early graduates or potential attrition. What is the hard number for u guys right now?
This certainly stings, a elite talent in our region and he ends up going out west. I like Deveon Smith but we need a speed back and with Isaac it would have been a perfect combo. Very disappointed in this news.
FWIW the rivals mods think things may heat up with Green real fast, guess we will see.
Funny...when I watched highlight of him, I really thought his running style was similar to USC great Marcus Allen.
I am pretty sure we have about 6 or 7 schollys still open, not four. Chris Rock leaving opened another scholly.
Green won't go to Michigan. If the reason he's shying away from us because he doesn't want to compete with Elliot, why would he want to compete with Smith AND Shallman. He's an OSU fan, he lives in VA, if he isn't coming to Columbus, he'll stay around home.
We will see I guess, Tim Sullivan (rivals mod) has been very cryptic when it comes to Green and a few weeks ago on twitter I recall him saying, "it would be very hard to say no to Michigan."
Personally, I don't think it happens
Green to Michigan makes too much sense. He's the ideal back for the Borges offense and he'll rack up huge numbers with Michigan's o-line and Morris' drop-back, play action style QBing. He'll also play with a huge chip on his shoulder against OSU. We have too many big backs on the roster right now, not enough speed/edge skill players, and needs elsewhere to justify taking him with Elliot already on board. Green will do well wherever he goes.
@RATIONAL - Actually, that was Green himself who said that. Not saying that he's a Buckeye lock or anything, but I like our chances here. Meyer's been pretty adamant that he wants bruisers in the backfield to compliment his speed guys, but Hoke's offering a thin depth chart and a pro set to thrive in--behind a beastly O-line. I see this a Bri'onte Dunn 2.0; OSU lean being courted late by a place that might be a better fit for his skill set.
Hodge: I think we both strike out and he ends up at Clemson, I feel like being second filddle to Isaac is going to rub him off the wrong way. I don't get it to be honest, with the O line classes we are bringing in you would think an elite running back would jump on the chance to play behind them. I HOPE Green is smart enough to realize this, but first lets see if the staff even pursues him. One fallacy is that we are thin at rb, when in reality it is not true.
Fitz is there for two more years, they love Thomas Rawls and Justice Hayes, then you are brining in Deveon Smith this year.
If our offense is going to be patterned after the Oregon ducks, then I don't see why running backs aren't jumping at the chance to come play in it ... L.Blount ran for good yards, and he was a big back, then L.James and ran for huge yards as well ... I think he even led the country in rushing once ... I really liked T.Issac, wish he would have given OSU more of a look ... Ahh well, but looking on the bright side he didn't go to UM ...
@RATIONAL - Yeah, that's a definite possibility. I love the kid's spirit, work ethic, and Buckeye fandom, but we need to beef up on wideouts, as well. Truth is, though, we'll have Hyde his freshman year, and then Dunn and Smith as our power guys going from there. Gotta think he could make a dent in that rotation if he came.
Also, I wonder how elite RBs feel about Meyer's system. With the speed/power duality, there's not really any feature backs, but it offers the opportunity for recognition without gaudy numbers. You'd think that might be bad for draft stock, but with running backs' duribility in the NFL, perhaps it's better in the long run?
RationalMFan: You are correct -- Chris Rock leaving did open up another spot. And so it is at least one more than I suggested. 'Hard numbers' and 'likely numbers' are so hard to guage. my numbers were more 'hard' than 'likely.' Your numbers are 'likely' but also probably realistic. Suffice it to say; Michigan wants a RB like Green, and has real needs on DL and at S. And Treadwell has got to be the highest priority of all, based on both need and potential.
We could add this; while we are at 18(?) right now, there could even be the odd decommit here or there between now and signing day. I have no one in mind, apart from the fact that history tells us that there usually are, with a class of this size having all committed this far in advance.
One last thing, all rivalry-like, about Isaac; at least he isn't going to Notre Dame. So maybe the kid will be happy and successful after all.
This may be just me, but it really Irks me when a midwest kid leaves the region. Sure, I love it when a kid from the west coast or south comes North, but when it happens here it really pisses me off. Maybe, it is because I think they have enough talent out there and they do not need to come here and recruit but it is also because there are some damn good programs in the midwest, you do not need to leave the region. To each his own I guess, there is my rant for the day. I am just very proud to be from Michigan and the midwest.
@MATT - not following your logic of having too many big backs and needing speed that we couldn't take a 5'11", 215 lbs RB that ran a 4.31
Totally bummed...if any Michigan fan says otherwise, they're just coping. I wanted Isaac from the start and I'm stunned he went out West. The one good thing is that these guys we are missing on are at positions that we can afford to miss out on. I'm already convinced that Poggi is heading to Bama.
We have the number one recruiting class right now and I'm disappointed. A longshot commit from Fuller will salvage my recruiting woes.
I wish Isaac the best. If he gets a change of heart, will be here waiting. If not, hopefully the B1G can show him what he missed out on in a Rose Bowl or playoff game.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Absolutely, this was a big loss and hurts. Now, if we can make it up with Green or Wilkens it will lessen the blow a bit.
I doubt he has a change of heart, but yes I look forward to hopefully meeting him in a Rose Bowl.
What is your reasoning for thinking Bama is gettin Poggi tho Hail?
I haven't heard anything on that front.
He's been down there a couple times lately and I'm hearing that his dad likes them or has ties, etc. That seems to be the consensus on other boards. Plus, if I don't want to set myself up for failure again. These 50/50 misses are getting OLD!
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
You are right about that, it has become increasingly frustrating. Treadwell is an absolute must! We cannot strike out on that one.
Treadwell isn't 50/50, he'll be all Blue.
Here's the thing on Green: his ceiling is Trent Richardson with a probable floor of Carlos Hyde. ANY team in America should take that kind of potential. Agree with the others above that he'd be a great fit at Michigan, but in reality he will be a great fit for any competent offensive staff. Kids with that size and speed combo can be fit into any offense successfully.
Not sure where all of the Michigan being "thin" at RB talk comes from. By 2013 they will have Toussaint, Rawls, Hayes, Norfleet, Johnson, Smith, Shallman on the roster at RB... that would be 7 scholarship RBs, many of which are quite talented. In fact, part of the speculation of Isaac going to USC is because of their lack of RB depth compared to Michigan.
There is no lack of depth at rb, but many would say how many of them are elite? The staff is veryy high on Rawls, I would think he will be the next starter after Fitz. I would not expect Norfleet or Shallman to end up in the backfield. Norfleet is one of those guys who can do it all. But, I would look for him to be a kick returner or punt returner. Michigan is looking for that TOP GUY right now. If they cannot get him, I would not expect them to take another back.
Glad he went out of conference.
Yeah, I didn't mean to suggest that we were thin at RB; I only suggested that coaches appeared to be looking for one (1) five-star type, with lots of other real needs; DL, S, WR. It is really easy to read too much into it, but I sort of felt like they were setting the 2013 class up for a big recruting star at RB by taking some lesser role-playing runners like the monster Wyatt Shallman (who may yet be an "ATH" but who seems to be set for RB) and DeVeon Smith. Numbers-wise, if we didn't take another player at RB it wouldn't be too shocking.
I think not having a feature back isn't a problem anymore. Look at the NFL and then even college teams nowadays are having at least 2 runners and some even three.
Well this makes the battle for Green much more interesting