Someone really has to tell these recruits (I don't care what team they are committed to) that they need to just shut up and be smarter:
OSU fans giving @LoganTillman threats on your way to his house make a stop by mine and I'll show you what a real death threat is #bringagun
Sounds like a real Michigan Man
*facepalm*
haha perfect, way to keep the Michigan twitter idiocracy train moving in the right direction this week.
That tweet is just asking for more comments. Alas, the stupidity from recruits and fans continues...
Any Romeo + Juliet fans?
These kids are really too young to be full of hate. Pity.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
Listen, there are OSU fans that are dumb....there are Michigan fans that are dumb.....and these kids are 16-18 years old....everything they do/say should be taken with a grain of salt....but when do the parents/teachers/coaches/future coaches (Hoke/Meyer) step in and tell them to ignore the dumb stuff fans do and just not pull stuff like "better bring a gun to fight me" BS?......also, just saying, but I don't see recruits of any other schools doing this stuff.....coincidence? for you all to decide
You nailed it Alex.
I just browsed Tillman's timeline and this kid is absolutley loving all the attention he is getting from this. It's full of retweets about all the media outlets that are covering this "story". Tillman was fishing for attention with his initial tweet, and to what seems to be to his delight, the reaction from a few OSU fans is giving him even more attention. Those giving death threats (however hollow they are) are the real idiots here, but Tillman isn't too far behind them.
@Alex
Just what I was going to say. Why is it only Michigan recruits who are spouting out on Twitter, or going public with really outlandish comments, especially directed at OSU? Kalis started the whole thing, and though I realize he also claimed some threats and what not from OSU fans, it seems pretty ridiculous.
At what point does Brady Hoke reign these young men in? If it were OSU recruits making these comments, I'd feel the same exact way. It is one thing to say "it's a big rivalry, looking forward to playing/beating them and turning the rivalry around, blah blah blah" but it is entirely different to say you hate a school or state, or that you want fans to come fight you.
Does Hoke not see this as hurting the reputation of the program at all? I'd be wary if these players acted like this and were coming in to Columbus...
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Tillman, per twitter, says he is calling in to ESPN at 3pm eastern. Wonder what he will be discussing?
I agree Alex. This tough guy derogatory/insult stuff is getting very, very old. So are the reactions. On both sides. So much for Hoke getting these guys in line, I have to conclude that is something he wants to encourage for team building/bondng. If he wanted to discourage it, he could. We all know that. I am totally uninterested in hearing how he can't do anything about it until they come to campus. I am disgusted by it, and am concerned that the rehetoric will only increase, with no good outcome. I would be disgusted by it if it were OSU guys. I just dont see it as being funny, or clever, or boys will be boys- (I can see how the recruits would, though) but then again, I am wearing my fusty old mom hat right now. Stay classy Michigan. Stay classy fringe OSU nutcase fans.
Alex,
I'm sure parents/teachers/coaches/ future coaches have said NOT to do some of this dumb stuff; however, like you said they are 16-18 year olds. When I was 16-18 I did and said stupid stuff even with proper guidance because I thought I knew everything. I chaulk it up to just that...16-18 year olds being 16-18 year olds.
100% of unprayed prayers go unanswered
This is ridiculous....classless....that's what I don't get about the whole Logan Tuley whatever his name is. The act of burning that letter and putting out there for the world to see was overall pretty classless. And you can say whatever you like about them being 16-18 year old kids. At 18, the United States Army was putting a gun in my hand and asking me to drive a multi-million dollar machine. These Michigan recruits have to be the most class less bunch of kids I've ever seen in my life. And I WISH the national media would put this out, but no, the only thing they focus on is tOSU and "death threats". Honestly, if I was a rival fan, (ie. a scUM fan) and I wanted to make OSU look bad....what a better way to do it than the whole Anzalone thing and the Tuley whatever his name is. Not saying that we don't have our "wierdo" fans, like every fan base does, but what a great way to make tOSU look bad.
Alex,
UM is last in the B10 in Academic APR. They didn't get there by recruiting Rhodes scholars.
Lowest Common Denominator. That's what all of this caters too. Kalis' comments way back when cater to the Lowest Common Denominator of Michigan fans who get jacked up by a kid (that's all he is) talking smack to grown ass men. OSU fans who attacked him on Twitter and facebook and the ones who think that's cool or 'bad assed' are the Lowest Common Denominator of Buckeye fans. Its embarrassing for both sides.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
IQ Range
Classification
Borderline deficiency: 70-80
Moron: 50-69
Imbecile: 20-49
Idiot: below 20
Where does "dumb enough to challenge the internet to a gun fight" fit in?
I did not care at all about the burning of letters, but when you start challenging people to bring a gun to your house, then you are probably going too far. There are a lot of crazies out there and it only takes 1 to take him up on his challenge for things to get tragic. Somebody (here's looking at you hoke) needs to teach these kids the dangers of putting yourself out there on social media.
Between Bosch, LTT, Morris, Magnuson, and Pipkins, they are making this fire much bigger than anyone from OSU. Seriously, learn from Mike Hart and shut the hell up.
Hoke needs to step up and shut them up. That's too far.
This is exactly what I tried to expose with Shane Morris and his antics and what it could lead to. I was told I was taking it too seriously, was way off base, it's no big deal, and the like. Even if it was just jumping into a picture, posting disrespectful pictures, or unwise words, it all leads to something more. It is human nature, the mob mentality. Now after the recent instances of the "posse" stepping up to be noticed, my point has been made. It is all a matter of respect for others and yes, where are the parents, relatives, coaches, etc. jumping in and telling theses kids to stop?
The good thing is the fact we aren't hearing chatter back from Buckeye recruits. Nothing at all along those lines, other than saying they prefer to do their talking on the field, or that this is just making them look forward even more to their chance at playing against the winged-helmets.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Lets not pretend to be free of this as Buckeye fans though. The Buckeye players might be staying quiet about it but what the players may not be doing, the fans are doing and then some. There is enough stupidity to go around. Whether its players or fans. Michigan's current players aren't doing this, just the new-soon to be ones. Most OSU fans aren't doing this, just the redneckish ones. Sadly, both minorities are being dumb enough to encompass the majorities.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
So this means ESPN is going to be running a "UM commit threatens to shoot OSU fans" story on the main page, right?
If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target
This is really not a very smart thing for a kid to do. Even Michigan fans don't like this. That said, what is with some people in Ohio making death threats? Lebron, Herbstreit, Kalis, Cicero, Clarrett, Kalis, Tillman, etc. People need to chill.
THIRDLEGLOUIE,
I think you meant to say ESPN is going to run:
"Unruly OSU Fans prompted by Urban Meyer via Twiter from Eric Waugh who got it from Gene Smith to harrass, bully and threaten poor, sweet and innocent UM player into self defense."
Will be the main story on the front page of ESPN :)
100% of unprayed prayers go unanswered
I love how Tracy Sprinle tweeted "I'll do my talking on the field." Also what is with the recent UM recruiting class? They talk more shit than SEC fan boys. This tweet by Bosch is just really stupid. I'm also tired of the "Well, he's just a high school kid." When did that become an excuse for saying something stupid?
It's not an excuse, but it is a reason why people shouldn't react so intensly to these things.
Guys, but but but Bosch is sooooo tough:
^What does his socioeconomic status have to do with anything? Or for this matter, his perceived toughness?
Generally his neighborhood is not seen as a bad area, like LTT's. And it just pokes fun at it; I'm sorry I laughed at it.
Jalin Marshall on the LTT burning letter...love it
Is there any proof of these death threats? I wouldn't be at all shocked to find out that it's all Kyle Bosch & LTT just creating the hype on their own in order to draw attention to themselves and give OSU-hating networks like ESPiN more ammunition.
This kid Bosch ain't too bright:
So, Bosch is inviting armed fans to stop by his house. When Bosch opens the door to a lunatic, Bosch is then going to very seriously threaten "real death" to the man who is pointing a gun in his face? That doesn't seem like a good plan, but then I'm not a Michigan Man.
Yeah. Castel could take him.
@Razr,
I honestly think LTT is full of bs. Sounds very fabricated, just my opinion. I mean I know we have some really idiotic fans, but they way it was presented seems false. My thought is that he made up justification for burning the letter.
Fucking ridiculous. Seriously, if this kid was part of MY recruiting class his twitter account would be either suspended or cleaned up.
vacuuming sucks
@William- Basically, Kyle Bosch is a gangster who's real name is Clarence.. and Clarence's parents have a real good marriage
If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target
I cant wait to see the scUM fans on this website defend this. This is just pathetic....
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."
EVERYONE IS OUTRAGED FOR THE WRONG REASON. LTT SHOULD HAVE RECYCLED.
Apparently there's no room for green in the maize and blue.
ThirdLegLouie-I'm with you on this one. This kid is from a very affluent area in the Chicago land burbs and hasn't seen a gun a day in his life. In most cases, I wouldn't chalk up a kid's upbringing to his status as a wannabe hood rat, but I hung out with some kids up in this area and they are all rich kids with too much time on their hands. I won't pretend to be from a bad part of town either because I grew up in a nice, suburban town but I knew what I was. A lot of dudes in Wheaton had daddy's money and nothing to do with their time but pretend to be hood. This Bosch character sounds like a lot of the fake toughs I knew from the Wheaton area when I was growing up. This area, more than others like it seems to breed this fake bravado-a perfect fit for this M recruiting class from the looks of it.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Can't wait for 11/24!
While I am ashamed that this story gives Herbstreit's comments regarding the "3%-5%" some validity, I have to say I am enjoying the the UofM kids taking the rivalry's intensity up several notches. Will be more fun to watch the Buckeyes whip that ass again (and again).
@GrayskullSession
I don't like this - Bosch was out of line. He knows it, too - he tweeted an apology and he did a quick interview with Tremendous about it here: http://thisismichiganfootball.blogspot.com/2012/05/kyle-bosch-clears-it-...
This has gotten completely out of hand. No one knows the extent of the "death threats" other than the "burn in hell" comment, which I believe isn't a death threat, but it's still not cool.
In order, Tillman's move was brash (I don't mind the burning the letter, personally - but I can see how it would ruffle some feathers), some rogue OSU fans got too personal with Tillman, there were allegedly some threats, and then that blew up, then Bosch joined those rogue Buckeye fans over the line. Not a whole lot of anyone doing the right thing here.
There's a lot of swagger in Michigan's recruiting class, and the problem with confidence in 16-18 year old kids is that it's really easy to take it too far. This has now happened. I sincerely hope we're going to see some of the trash talk cooling down from now on.
why cant we all mind our own business, not get all bent out of shape and butthurt and move on with our lives? Would this have been a big deal 20 years ago?? Thank you ESPN!
@ Maestro
Ya, but Hoke clearly likes this type of behavior from his kids. Otherwise he'd do something about it. Glad our kids are not doing this stuff. It would be embarrassing for the entirety of Buckeye Nation.
http://now.msn.com/living/0530-boy-cerebral-palsy-race.aspx
I thought it would nice to take a break from entitled 17 year old's who have no clue how blessed they truly are. Matt from Worthington could teach them a lot. Actually he could teach us all.
Great video Pam. Totally agree with your sentiments. The video had me misting up even though I am definitel a cynic. Way to go Matt, phys ed teacher, and classmates! OK, the video on the side of the page with the soldier who traded his cigarettes for a maimed dog in Afghanistan and found a way to get him back to the US made me mist up also. Misting twice in one night? Gah!
I dont mind the crap talk because its always been a part of the rivalry but this is beyond any rivalry. thought hokey had a handle on this but i guess not.
I have a strong feeling theese tsun recruits are going feel 4 yrs of the mike hart syndrome..... :)
O H I O is the Buckeye State
I have a strong feeling this Michigan class is going to see a lot of jail time. They are not getting much leadership from parents or coaches.
>Equates running your mouth on twitter to future jail time.
Really?
Jail time, no. Failure on the field, yes.
When you're in the weight room, you can either look at yourself in the mirror, or you can rep until you puke. If you're admiring yourself, you're losing.
MichiganBred: I appreciate your reasoned, measured comments.
That said, I guess I'm one of the few - including in this thread among my fellow Buckeyes - in that I don't get this mentality of "both sides are getting out of hand." Sure, that's technically true, but what is anyone supposed to do about the existence of a small minority of lunatic fans?
Compare the numbers: LLT and Bosch are two of, what 20 odd recruits in the class of 2013, and will become two of 85 scholarship players on the Michigan roster. Granted that's a lot of 18 - 23 year old kids to keep track of, but it at least reining in the tweets, etc., is within the realm of manageable tasks. By no means easy, but not impossible.
Whereas, there are, what, about a million Buckeye football fans? Statistically, there are bound to be some extreme outliers among that population. In this age of social networks on steroids, some of those insane outliers are able to impose themselves on players more than ever before and might even respond to what they perceive to be provocative Tweets, etc., in antisocial ways. Dispacable, but beyond anyone's control.
There's no comparing what the lunatics do versus the Michigan recruits. On the one hand, the Michigan kids talking smack, buning letters, tweeting "bringagun" is very harmless compared to what some lunatic might do. On the other hand, the Michigan recruits are about to become part of an elite fraternity. They'll receive some of the best moral, common sense instruction a kid could ever hope for - i.e., they're supposed to be about 1,000,000 times better than some lunatic.
William,
Jail is filled with people who threaten others with guns. Got it. Next time I will completely type everything out for you. Didn't know it would be such a problem.
Michigan sucks. 1 good year in which they luckily get put in a BCS bowl against a team from the ACC of all conferences that just lost in their conference championship by 30. Va Tech basically gave them that game too.
99.9% of the time the people talking trash are scared/jealous/nervous/feel inadequate. No different here.
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again," said Meyer. "Do it a little harder next time."
I wonder what Bosch's folks had to say about his inviting people to their house with guns. If it were my kid, I'd blow some holes through his computer with my own gun, like the guy on youtube.com.
"I'm One Bad Buckeye, and I approve this message."
@Fido - While your number theory may be true, think about how many comments get through to Tillman from OSU fans. The fans that get through aren't saying, "I respect the rivalry, but I want the Buckeyes to win. You're a good kid, and I wish you success except when you play against the Scarlet & Gray." They're saying "burn in hell" or something of that ilk. Even though I'm sure LTT knows that OSU fans aren't all like that, those are the ones in his ear, on his Twitter feed, etc.
Is he supposed to be better than that? Of course. But this sort of thing triggers a protective, defensive response from people, especially young, passionate people. It's obvious that Bosch's apology is sincere. And I still think LTT didn't do anything out of line. Personally, I want everyone to be better than this crap - but life ain't unicorns and rainbows.
Tillman is the foolish one here.
He's like a small dog that runs down a camping trail, barks at a bear, then runs back down the trail to his owner, with an angry bear running fast behind.
Bosch is having a BBQ with the owner, but the bear is after him too.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
People sure do love a juicy story dont they? Anyone else find it interesting that this pile of garbage story has 57 comments while a good solid on-the-field one like "OL/DL Video From Columbus NFTC" only has a mere 3 and its been up all day???
This is clearly the wrong way to intensify the rivalry, but it is surely doing so. I don't know the official Michigan policy on social networking, but to those of you asking where Hoke is on all of this, I don't think he has a whole lot of disciplinary power/control right now. These kids are not yet signed at Michigan, nor are they adults. When the sign their LOI, I expect Hoke to rip a new one in some of these guys for this nonsense. Aside from pulling their scholarship offer, I don't know what he can do besides ask them to grow up.
Pipkins and Kalis said some stupid things on Twitter, too, but after they signed they have behaved for the most part.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Michigan actually has a media coach that educates the athletes on what to say and what not to say when talking to the media. This coach also deals with social networking. (facebook, twitter etc.) I know Michigan does a good job in educating their athletes in regards to what is a good thing to say on these outlets and what is probably a bad idea. Again, these kids are not on campus, so they are not going to get that coaching, as a matter of fact it may be a minor violation if they were to. Maybe, I will email Gene Smith and ask him, he should know. Some of the comments on here about the issue are ridiculous, bashing parents and Michigan coaches for something they do not even have control of yet. Now, will Bosch hear from Hoke about it? I guarantee he will, but these kids, just like the common 16-18 year do not always say the brightest things. I find it funny how people expect college recruits to behave better than the average joe in a high school class. I am a high school teacher and I have seen some of the twitter feeds of my students and football players, their brains have not fully matured and you should expect these things from students.
Then were talking about how Michigan players will just end up in jail? lol lets see what kind of character meyer has over there in 3 years and see if anything has changed since his days in Florida. Remember, Meyer is the one with the track record of lack of discipline, not Hoke. See you in November.
@RATFAN, I appreciate the joke, but everybody knows that Gene Smith never really knows what is and isn't a violation.
Hail, Rational
Not buying it for one minute. Yes, I do blame parents and coaches. You and others keep saying they are 16-17 year olds. Well, where are the parents/coaches then? Hoke has no control? Are you kidding me? He can call, email, text, visit them at home, generally have access to them every day, but he can't say, "Don't make stupid tweets" ? He can demand they don't visit other schools after committing or he will pull their offer, but he can't say, "Don't make stupid tweets"?
Rational, you are a high school teacher, but you are not aware of a lack of parenting of our children? Geez, dude smoke another doobie before your teacher's union meeting. I am not sure you have a clue.
Some people are acting like 17 year olds are these, uncontrollable frontal lobe-less beings that will just do dumb things, and we can just chalk it up to "kids being kids". The truth is, as the majority of the recruiting pool shows on a daily basis, it's not really hard to not be a moron.
Why is that guys like Kalis, Pipkins, Yuri Wright, LTT, Morris, Bosch, and sporadic others suddenly feel like as soon as theres an M next to their name on ESPN, they can say whatever they want? The whole of Ohio State's commitment list this year and last is a shining example of the contrary, which is showing class, even through temptation to run your mouth. Every fanbase has crazy fans that say stupid things all the time. That's a constant, but what isn't is the players that feel it's their job to reply.
@ BUCNDC
Absolutely correct. I don't see Ohio State's recruits doing things like this to get attention and then trying to blow the story up in the media to get even more attention. And you can bet your a$$ if they did, Meyer would be contacting them and making corrective action as this is not how kids behave that are going to be Division I student athletes at elite powerhouses. Rivalries are great, but there needs to be a mutual respect, not kids inviting rival fanbases over to their houses for gunfights after said kid's own teammate started a little war with some really BAD decisions, because believe it or not, there are some nutjobs out there who will take that literally and show up with a 12-gauge ready to rock n roll.
Bottom line the Michigan recruit started this whole thing and now wants to play the victim. I'm just glad the affiliations are not flipped as this would be absolutely embarrassing if it was one of our recruits doing this crap.
LTT's parents should've stepped in and deactivated his twitter immediately. Same with Bosch. Couple of idiots who clearly have no business interacting with the public since they don't have the necessary guidance to behave properly and the fault of that falls on the parents and the coaches.
When I was 17 I didn't incite arguments with millions of people via a nationally public forum. I also didn't try to pick gun fights with said millions of people. It wasn't like I was some prodigy either. These kids are old enough to not be idiots.
Also, Hoke very well could get after these kids. Chewin em out isn't a violation. Is that how he wants Michigan represented ?
lack of parenting is not only a Michigan commit problem, it's a United States problem. Yes, absolutely parenting freaking sucks in this country. But, the parents of those people who made the threats, they are not held responsible for any of this? They're older as well.
Also, nobody is playing victim to anything. He burned a letter cause he wanted to and then got attacked for it. That is where all this should have stopped.
To be honest with you I can care less, what LTT did or how the fans reacted. Bosch went overboard with his statement. But, that is all that was; a statement. I do not care what fans here think of Michigan's commits, or the bashing that comes from you guys about it. But, please don't sit here and think you guys are above it.
@JDADAMS: That is because you were never given that platform, I am sorry but you were not a top 100 recruit going to play big time college football ( Or maybe you were?) So, no one really cares if you did try to incite arguments, people want to attack recruits and commits, it has become a part of the business.
How do you guys know that Hoke has not chewed him out yet? You know how you can tell if he did or not? If this is a reoccuring theme! Now, if it is I will worry, if not then problem solved.
This happened with Pipkins and Magnuson, guess what, they shut it down for a while and have not said anything stupid on it since.
Irrational,
It is a reoccuring theme. Kalis, Pipkins, Magnuson, Bosch, LLT.
@BUCKNDC: Well then, have another beer at lunch today, for being one up on Michigan in ethics today. Congratulations, I hope we can somehow get to the standards of UFM and the rest of Ohio's people and football players.
Call me irrational, all you want. I listed facts for you. You think LTT and Bosch knew what happened with Kalis last year? They didn't even know they were going to Michigan, so I doubt they can learn from that mistake.
Also, you know what a reoccuring theme is? Death threats from the state of ohio: Lebron, Kalis, LTT. I am sure there is a lot more!
So does the rest of the B10. By the way teacher, when I was a student, Michigan was still part of the US.
I said it is not only a Michigan commit problem, it is a United States problem. Reading comprehension my man. Not going to make this thread a pissing contest between me and you. See you in November.
@buck-I.8
I agree. My son s 17. He is not a football player but he is friends with many of the football players and they have been in my home. They are bright, articlulate, respectful, chew with their mouths closed and breathe through their nose. We need to stop treating these guys as if they are not capable of knowing right from wrong or unable to make to good choices. 17 year olds, by nature are impulsive, but it took time and effort to take that letter, light in on fire and post it. Plenty of time to think about whether it was a good idea. I have never subscribed to the "boys will be boys" mantra. It's an excuse to minimize being a jackass. As a parent I have an obligation to raise not just a good kid, but a good citizen.
No need to turn it into a pissing contest Irrational. I was just trying to help you out there. Gen-Ed students were never mistaken for being the brightest.
First off, I do NOT condone what Tulley and Bosch have done. In the past I have stood up for a few of the UM players(Morris) for playfully trash talking with OSU players(who palyfully have returned in kind). Again, what Tulley and Bosch did was most definetly in the wrong. I disagree, wholeheartedly, however with ppl acting like 17 year old kids know the full ramifications of their actions. Yes, at that age you know right from wrong...ie you dont steal, kill, cheat, you say please and thank you, etc. But alot of ppl are reading too much into this(I saw a post saying many UM recruits will end up in jail). I highly doubt Tulley realized the firestorm(no pun intended) he would create by burning a letter. I highly doubt Bosch actually meant he would challenge ppl to a gunfight. The point is, at that age, kids dont always think and interpret things the way an adult would. What they look at as playful trash talking, or backing up a teammate, we look at the big picture and through the eyes of someone who is MUCH more mature than these kids. Some of you appear to be living in a glass house. Look back at some of the dumb stuff you did in your youth...and we didn't have to deal with twitter, fb, etc highligting every comment we make and making it a national story. Some of you as fans judge these players and say they are just looking for attention...well its fans like us, who follow our teams closely, that fuel that fire for attention. Just take a step back before rushing to judgement.
Mr. Rational MFAN, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Wow, where to begin...
* Your first paragraph you open with the "victim card" in trying to now blame the people who responded to LTT's ridiculous behavior and then go on in your second paragraph to say nobody is playing the victim...I think my removing the word "Rational" from your quoted name is given proper credence, here. And for the record, I don't think death threats are ever appropriate from anyone in the world of sports. However, it's worth pointing out that there would have been no response AT ALLl if your recruits could conduct themselves with some semblance of class. As you went on to iterate in other posts, this is not an isolated incident. We've seen incidents so far with multiple Michigan recruits across multiple recruiting classes along these same lines. If your head coach had any intention of putting a stop to it, it would have happened long ago, and he would be ensuring to tell all current and future recruits to not conduct themselves in this manner.
* lol, the "bashing" that comes from us? Wow, here we go with the playing of the "victim card" yet again, but let me guess "nobody is playing victim to anything", right? I think you really need to take a step back and re-evaluate the events that are being discussed here. This wasn't Jalin Marshall or JT Barrett from our recruiting class starting $hit with your fanbase and inviting them over for a gunfight after the other one burned a Michigan letter for all to see and then ran to the media to complain of said fanbase responding to ridiculous actions. It was the other way around.
* You know, I genuinely try to value input from other fanbases on all messageboards that I'm a member of as long as they honestly just want to talk football and aren't here to start crap, but you've considerably lowered your stock here with some of your posts in this thread as far as I'm concerned. I think everyone would be better off if you either stick to Michigan message boards, or can re-earn the "Rational" portion of the screenname you adopted when you signed up.
@PAM, amen, but why even limit it football players? 17 year olds all over the country are regularly going out and applying for jobs, even internships at this point. If the application they send is to one of many companies that checks applicants' social media, they have to be smart about it, and there are tons of teenagers that are. But for some reason these UM recruits in the past two years are spoonfed their own greatness, and feel the need to run their mouths, while the OSU recruits quietly work hard, and shrug of the childish comments. Where is this coming from?
of course I lowered my stock, you are not going to agree with anything that I said and I totally expected that. But, I will defend my team and our coach just like some of you will. I won't apologize for any of that.
No where did I say what they did was okay. What LTT did in my opinion was not a big deal. Bosch crossed the line and will learn from that. But do you ever sit back and ask yourself why Bosch said what he said? It was in response to the death threats that his FRIEND was getting from fans who are in their twenties, thirties etc. Do I wish he did it in a different manner and not said what he did? Absolutely, I am sure Bosch is a fine young man and going to be a hell of a football player. He needs to learn that for however long it takes to build your character and perception to the public, it takes one tweet to destroy all that. The difference is, Michigan fans are going to still love him and want him to learn from it. (Just like a parent would with his son ) and the people out there want you to be crucified for it. (Ohio State fans)
But c'mon do not sit there and act like Hoke is not going to do anything about it. I bet he talked to him immediately after! Because Bosch went on the Tremendous blog to apologize right after.
Im not far removed from 18. The kid prolly burned the letter to be cool with all his other meatchicken cronies. Then whats his face wanted to be a tough guy and stick up for his buddy. Problem is, when one comes from a private school your going to look like a phonie which is exactly what he is, a big fat phonie just like his coach. The kid has prolly never seen a gun, and if he has its his dad hunting rifle. If he was raised in another area he would realize you dont ask for a gunfight unless you want one
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
Rational,
Do you see any correlation between the type of recruit Michigan has and the fact they are last in the B10 in academic performance? Based on APR. In fact, I read last year that of the 132 bowl eligible teams, UM was ranked 131. I can't remeber who 132 was. I think it was one of those bastions of higher education in Mississippi or Louisiana.
@ MFAN
I will respond simply to say that we can agree to disagree on this topic as there is very little you've said that I agree with. Have a good day.
All the stuff coming out of Michigan recruits' mouths has me feeling good about OSU's chances in the next few years of the rivalry. It seems like their team will be made up of a bunch of undisciplined fake tough guys. It should be no surprise they chose to play for an undisciplined coach...they will fit right in with hoke.
No I do not think APR has anything to do with common sense. APR has been low at Michigan Since Carr was there. Look at the the adults that Carr's former players have become. Charles Woodson stands out. There is no saying that APR plays a deciding factor in the citizen you become. I am saying basically, let these kids write their stories, it is still early. They have not taken a college class yet guys.
@RATIONAL
I respect you and think you are a great addition to this site as a poster. I also don't disagree with what you say about a number of Ohio State fans being ridiculous through this whole situation. As has been discussed here and MGOBLOG dozens of times, people need to stop replying, tweeting at, Facebooking, whatever, to high school recruits. It's creepy and stupid. Any Ohio State fan who threatens or argues with a recruit is a strain on society. These people are the filthy bottom-most layer of not only our fanbase, but America.
That being said, if high school recruits don't want to hear from crazy people, they need to not make stupid comments or actions on a public forum. If LTT wanted to burn the letter and send a pic to all his Michigan buds, well then have at it, who cares. But he posted that on Twitter knowing he'd get a big reaction. That's what he wanted. I absolutely lay this on him, his immaturity, his parents, and the coaches. There is a reason that you don't see this from our recruiting class and that's because the coaches/their parents have made it known that you don't take these things public and embarrass OSU. The first time, with Kalis and Pipkins, it's just some stupid kids and the coaches seemed to get them to quiet down. But since then, Hoke should be telling EVERY recruit that you don't start things like this in public because 1. it's embarrassing and 2. it's dangerous. For Bosch then take it to throwing death threats right back at people? Hoke is better than that.
And you are right, I was not a nationally ranked recruit that a lot of people followed. But that just backs up what I say, IMO, because kids who are on a national stage should be told by adults (parents, coaches) that their behavior is monitored even more now. If Michigan coaches aren't constantly reminding these kids that what they do reflects on Michigan even though they haven't signed yet, well that's a problem. And you're right, I'm sure they have heard from Hoke now. But that's a bit too late.
Also have to clarify, I'm all for kids having fun with the rivalry. Shane Morris' photobomb was all perfectly fine. That stuff is welcome from kids on either side. This is college football and should be fun. Shane, although I do agree comes across as a knucklehead sometimes, is at least messing around with harmless stuff. Hopefully he as a class leader will get after some of the guys, too.
There is stupidity all over the place on this thing:
Burning letter and posting pic = stupid (harmless yes, and didn't bother me, but dumb), what did LTT expect the reaction would be, love letters? In my opinion, the kid is getting his jollies from all the attention he's receiving from this. I would have 100 times more respect for the kid if he burned the letter, posted the pic, and left it at that. Him spouting off about how he 'hates all of Ohio' didn't exactly help the situation. You know LTT, you can deny a media request.
"Death Threats" from OSU fans = stupid. Get a freakin' life if a kid burning a letter causes you to threaten bodily harm on a teenager, and one that is 6'7" & 300lbs. at that. Its inexcusable. Yeah the rivalry is a big deal. Yeah we love OSU, but its the minority of you idiots that ruin the reputation of the whole. Every fan base has their idiots, but why does it seem like OSU has more than their fair share.
Tweet from Bosch saying #bringagun = stupid. Yeah we know you've got your "brother's" back and all, but c'mon.
People making excuses for teenagers = stupid. I am so tired of people making excuses for teenagers. They're just kids. Yes, they're immature. Yes, they say and do dumb stuff. We've all been there. At what age does a kid actually have to take responsibility for their actions?
There is stupidity all over the place on this.
Rational: the point I tried to make yesterday - albeit poorly - isn't necesarily that we can expect Hoke/staff to be able to discipline the recruits' social networking habits before they officially sign (maybe that's not allowed yet), but that it's silly to make moral equivalencies between Michigan recruits and the deranged 0.01 percenters among Ohio State fans.
Certainly, Hoke will have much more authority and leeway in responding to his recruits' behavior after they arrive on campus, etc., but these recruits have already been selected to join the elite Michigan football fraternity.
By virtue of that selection, we'd already expect them to operate on a level way, way above the standards of some 0.01 percent of lunatics, even if they're 17 years old and random lunatic is 43 years old. After vehemently condemning the behavior of 0.01 percent lunatics, we ask Bosch, "Why get embroiled in a potentially dangerous flame war with a lunatic?" If he responds, "because the lunatic said something threatening to my friend," okay maybe his youth mitigates against the stupidity of that response, but it's still stupid.
Michigan recruits are celebreties of a sort; whereas we all pray that random lunatics remain anonymous. Michigan recruits doing stupid things is interesting; lunatics being crazy is not.
JDAdams and TennBuckeye: sorry, after posting my comment above (at 11:11 AM), I now see that you two made several of the same or similar points as I was trying to make - and did so more adeptly than I did. I agree, stupidity is the key word here.
@Tenn Buckeye @Run_Fido_Run
I think you two said everything that I been trying to say and thses are the best posts I have read on this whole issue. I in no way think LTT or Bosch are victims of this. There was a lot of stupid to go around in this whole situation.
I had issue with people saying that Michigan is going to fail because of this whole situation and that Brady Hoke cannot handle his player and is not a disciplinarian. Just remember, he did let go of our best wide receiver on the roster. Not many coaches would do that. Now if this stuff continues, all be the first guy on here to say Hoke needs to act on this. I personally believe no Michigan football player should have a twitter account.
As far as Shane Morris goes. The guy truly is a class act, we played against him in week 3 last week and will meet him again this year week 3. I have had the pleasure of talking to him and meeting him through the 7 on 7 circuits and he really is a sharp guy. I think he just loves Michigan so much that he is perceived to be a douche bag to so many on here. He is a model citizen and comes from very good parents that I got to meet at the midwest elite 7 on 7 last year.
Thirdleglouie - this cracked me up. Can't believe no one else commented on it.
"Kyle Bosch is a gangster who's real name is Clarence.. and Clarence's parents have a real good marriage"
@Tenn
Thank you! Well done.
The stupid comments about violence have no place. As long as nobody is taking action like that Toomer Corner tree-killing Bama fan, destroying property, or physically harming one another (a la the Giants/Dodgers, NY Rangers/Flyers fan incidents), this is all fun. I'm all for poking fun and being poked fun at.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
I said it on another thread...the kid set fire to some ohio state stationary. Big deal? No...if it was a picture of him with gas and matches outside ohio stadium I would be worried. Nothing really threatening about setting some paper on fire. It was an obvious attempt by him to gain credibility with the scUM fanbase. And to gain a negative reaction from our fans. It worked. What bosch said? I'm not gonna lie...when I was that age and someone was running their mouth to one of my buddies I look at like a brother? I would probably react the same way. I wouldn't go telling people to bring a gun, but id sure as hell let them know you call out my friend, you're calling me out too. Hell, even to this day as a grown man and mature adult I would stand up for my friends. So its not an issue of age. Its more an issue of appropriate response. I won't crucify these young men for their actions any more than I will crucify our fans for theirs. As has been said there's plenty of stupid that went into this...from both sides. We shouldn't compound it by making wildly inaacurate statements such as these young men are future convicts. Just let the issue die in the media sphere and let it be settled by these young men where it matters...on the field the last Saturday in november.
To all Michigan recruits:
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."