Neal and Sprinkle are only 3 stars and Neal isn't even from Ohio. It seems like they filled up the Defensive line and used some schollies.
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Because Urban liked Sprinkle and Neal more than he liked Love and Butt.
Well urban knows better than we do. I have no explanation.
" I went for two cause I couldn't go for three."
-woody Hayes
Urban doesn't Love Butt?
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."
Urbz likes Love Butt just not as much as Sprinkle.
Stars don't mean everything, plus Butt's a TE and McCray is a big middle linebacker while Neal is a Viper and Sprinkle a DT, so they're positions don't even match up lol
Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens
Urbz likes Neal Sprinkle!
Sorry fellas, I misread the post and screwed it all up. Damn!!
There is a reason for everything with Urban and I trust that he has seen something from Sprinkle and Neal that fits his style of football player. Rating wise MCcray and Butt are higher but Urban likes our guys for a specific reason and we may not understand it but he does and he's the coach. He would not waste slots on guys for no reason, especially when we are limited in 2013.
This is like asking Patton why he took this hill vs that hill. I think UFM knows who fits his system and that is what he went on. When Brady Joke wins a some National Championships then over UFM then we can start to question him.
The other thing - we don't get to interview them, size up their character or see their grades & tests. I personally think that Meyer is paying a whole lot more attention to personality & grades than he may have in the past. He inherited a program on probation, & knows it will be watched closely. Character matters.
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Flynt Flossy is my favorite rapper.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
Why are we blaming Mccray not getting an over on Urban, its quite possible Luke, and Withers didn't like the guy enough to offer him a scholarship I mean they are over the defense ... Withers has coached quite a few 1st round draft picks ... So I'm sure he knows what he is looking for as well ...
My bad i just don't like ohio guys going to Michigan including Ben Gedeon. He was a stud but we got Alex anzalone to replace him.
sup
Interesting, I'd rather Urbs continues to snatch up the NATIONS best, than be so concerned about where they're from.
@Buckeyedude1001
1) You have a killer class coming in. I wouldn't worry too much about the star ratings of a couple guys who happened to fly below the radar. Based on what I've seen from Neal and Sprinkle - they don't look to me like generic three-stars.
2) Who's to say you could've *had* McCray and Butt (heh)? With Butt especially, he was a big priority for Michigan, and the staff acted like it. While OSU often gets their favorite Ohio recruits, an OSU offer doesn't mean an automatic commit. Fine Michigan football players like Charles Woodson and Mario Manningham come to mind as examples...
"Waaaaaahhhhhhh Waaaaahhhhhh I only like recruits from Ohio" - Post that goes up every other day in the forum. I'd almost rather hear what Brady Hoke eats for lunch each day, both lunches.
Trust in Urban.
"You win with people." - Woody Hayes
"WHY DIDN'T WE GET MCCRAY AND BUTT INSTEAD OF SPRINKLE AND NEAL?"
Because we didn't.
@OHIOBORNMICHIGANBRED - McCray would have been all Buckeye had he been offered. I'll concede that Butt probably would have gone to the Wolverines, but I think McCray wanted to stay home. His dad played here, and unlike Hoke's dad, doesn't have any connections up in Ann Arbor.
this is stupid... Mccray plays a different position than Sprinkle and Neal (both a LBers but Neal is a tweener)... get over this "ohio player bias" shit... we still have a good number of the best of Ohio while going after some serious stud national players.. GET OVER IT
Cause I couldn't go for three
Mario Manningham...0-4....
Sounds like a Michigan troll flame baiting to get a rise out you guys.
The answer, IMO, you didn't get Butt or McCray because Urban wanted Baugh and Anzalone instead. You got the other guys because Urban wanted those guys. If only we could draft high school players...can you imagine 120 teams drafting 15-25 rounds worth of HS kids. It would take a month.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
LOL @ "both lunches"
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again," said Meyer. "Do it a little harder next time."
British, not sure what that is supposed to mean, but Manningham only played 3 years at Michigan so he wasn't 0-4 vs anyone.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
0-4/0-3. I get what you mean British. The zero is the important part, as in MM going rogue made ZERO difference.
Hail - Question for you. Ohio State has one true rival and that is Um of course. My Michigan fan friends never want to lose the OSU game, but they claim that it is a bigger game for OSU fans than it is for Michigan fans. They say OSU is an important game but they downplay its significance, which I always chalked up to them losing so many to Tressel. They say that Um really has 3 rivals, Ohio State, Michigan State, and Notre Dame. Which of these games to Michigan fans is the most important? Which is THE rival? Do you consider all 3 equal? Um hasn't beat MSU in 4 years, so does that make it the 'must win' game now? Please enlighten me on this, and Rational or M Man can chime in as well. Thanks.
To be fair, I see Wisconsin and Penn State as rivalry games as well. Though Wisky is new, OSU-Penn State actually has a wikipedia page. I see those games like (I think) Michigan sees ND and MSU, with pure hatred.
Here's an MGoBlog topic on this very subject, there's no question there--it's OSU.
Yeah, I think most Michigan fans would say 1) OSU 2) MSU 3)ND
None, except possibly someone who lives in or near South Bend would put ND ahead of the other two. Those who live in Michigan probably feel a little more hatred for MSU than I do, living in Dayton. Still, the majority of my family lives in East Lansing and my brother is a Sparty fan, so I defnitely hear about it when Michigan loses. It's just weird because MSU normally wins like 1 out of 4 vs Michigan.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
@Hail, never thought I'd say this but I may actually root for scUM when you guys play ND and MSU. I despise scUM but I'm beginning to despise ND and MSU as well (plus that means you would have a better record coming into the 'shoe then we can ruin all your hopes and dreams, I couldn't help myself!)
I would add that Urban has been the coach of Ohio for what, maybe 6 months and you guys are only taking 18 players. He has not had the time as say Hoke to scout players himself. I certainly think it is very possible that he has had a chance to see Neal and Sprinkle, was impressed what he saw and offered accordingly. If Mccray and Butts do not commit early and camp they might get an offer. If I recall, Sam Webb was saying that fickle was trying to get mccray to hold off on his commitment and wait to camp.
Urban coaches Ohio?
News to me, I'm pretty sure he was coaching The Buckeyes' Spring Game.
Hodge- I get what you're saying about Wisky and PSU, and I do see them as rivals, but not THE RIVAL. They are games we definitely want to win and are fueled by pure hatred, but they are not THE GAME.
A House Divided - Calling OSU 'Ohio' does not bother me. Hoke thinks he's being cute and Um fans of course follow suit, but to me it just makes you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. If you wanna sound like you have no idea what you're talking about, feel free.
@Recruitbuck I don't know, does he? Your band only spells out "Ohio" and the fans only chant "O-H-I-O".
seriously, michigan people, anyone who calls ohio st "ohio" is a troll. plain and simple. it's a daft and unoriginal way to take a knock at ohio st without having the balls to do it directly. your moron coach stole it from woody, who started this whole business of not referring to the other by name, and if you think about it, it's pretty damn sad that hoke has to steal an ohio state tradition to make fun of ohio state. and that's not even the best part: no one at ohio state cares if you call us ohio. if anything it's a compliment; it's like saying all the other schools in ohio don't matter, which by the way, tends to piss off all the other schools in ohio, who in turn could potentially take out that anger whenever they happen to match up w michigan--like in the ncaa tournament for example. so keep on calling us ohio: it does nothing to piss us off and everything to make you look like imbeciles.
McLovin, doesn't referring to yourselves as "THE" OSU tell all the other schools in Ohio that they don't matter?
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Not this again...
McLovin, doesn't referring to yourselves as "THE" OSU tell all the other schools in Ohio that they don't matter?
Um, yes. What's your point?
Yeah, I had a lengthy comment ready to go and thought better of it.
Though, as a side note @HAIL - "The Ohio State University" is actually how our charter reads. Same as how UM's reads "The University of Michigan," Ohio University reads as such. Penn State is also known as The Pennsylvania State University.
When people respond to Michigan folks saying Ohio, clearly it does strike a nerve. Any time one of the Michigan fans are on this site and say OHIO, there are immediately several posts saying the Ohio thing is stupid, it doesn't make sense, and it doesn't bother them. Clearly it does, or you wouldn't respond to it at all.
Why do the fools keep using the Ohio, because EVERY TIME it gets a response. Ignore it and it goes away. Until that happens, we'll get Michigan fans saying Ohio and several posts to sift through following it talking about why it's stupid.
I could care less about calling OSU 'THE' Ohio State University. I don't get caught up with names. I just call it Ohio State or OSU. I'm not sure if its belittling all the other schools in Ohio by saying 'THE'. Everyone already knows OSU is the biggest and most preeminent school in the state. Its making a distinction, and perhaps one that is obvious and doesn't need to be made, but whatever.
Coming on an Ohio State forum and calling Ohio State "Ohio" is clearly trolling and serves no purpose other than that. Stick to MGoBlog if you want to do that. I love it when I get a different point of view (M Man is a baus), but don't be snarky and sneak jabs like that in.
May I remind you of the commenting policy highlight:
Here's the thing: michigan fans come onto an ohio state fan site expressing how pure their intentions are about discussing football, rationally and objectively, and then continue to try and steer every discussion about ohio state to something about michigan and try to sneak in little jabs about ohio state where ever they can. Most everyone scoops it up, buys their line, and feeds these trolls. I for one think they'd be better off going to a Michigan message board if they want to talk about Michigan so bad. But it's not my decision. It's just annoying and pathetic and sometimes too much not to respond to. It's like all these Michigan fans in OH with no affiliation with Michigan whatsoever. They just want to be dicks and go against the grain. It's a pain in the ass.
@recruitbuck -- my sentiments exactly
To me, the "THE" Ohio State university isn't belittling every other school in Ohio, it's belittling every other school that is not "THE" Ohio State university, and that's why we love to say it.
I haven't and won't call you guys Ohio here. And Tenn is right, everyone knows that OSU is the preeminent school in Ohio. Also, BT is spot on. Replying to it saying it doesn't bother you kind of shows that it does irk you a little.
Anyway, like Hodge said most schools full name starts with "The." Yet, OSU is the only one I know of that emphasizes it. I'm just curious why it's used, because I always thought it was saying "THE only Ohio school that matters." Which in many cases is the truth. Just want to know your opinions.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
<3 Hail and M Man
Here we go. Don't go too far in your defense of OSU that you admonish ttun fans extensively. Then we'll have the thread go to the defense of ttun fans, who just happened to bring the entire situation on themselves.
Also, BT is spot on. Replying to it saying it doesn't bother you kind of shows that it does irk you a little.
Not even close to spot on. The name isn't irksome. It's the principle of the whole thing, namely, that people are stupid enough to think that it does bother us and continue to use it. Couple that with the fact that this is an OSU message board and the people saying Ohio are always talking out the sides of their mouths, claiming to be legit one minute, flaming the next.
Come on guys lets all get along...
"if irony were made of strawberries, we' d all be drinking a lot of smoothies right now."
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@McLovin you're making fun of Hoke stealing a tradition from former coaches not torn room their names, "how original". Ironic that Urban Meyer changed the locker room schedule to say The Team Up North. I know right, "how original".
I kind of find it funny, when it first started a lot of osu fans liked it. They thought Hoke was bringing a spark to the rivalary again. Now I read 20 post a weak how it doesn't bother you and you don't get it. That's like saying I'm going to the team up north literally. You guys play, MSU, Michigan, Central Michigan, Akron, Toledo, Kent State, or Bowling green the last week. But everyone understands its Michigan. I don't by the ugh I don't get it line.
I'm just curious why it's used, because I always thought it was saying "THE only Ohio school that matters." Which in many cases is the truth. Just want to know your opinions.
It's a point of pride for OSU to be known as the preeminent school in Ohio, which it truly is on an academic and athletic level. It is a bit much in my opinion because there are a lot of fine schools in Ohio who compete on very high levels academically and athletically; there's no real need to rub everyone's nose in OSU's greatness. It's not like Ohio Univeristy is arguing that it's a better school.
@McLovin you're making fun of Hoke stealing a tradition from former coaches not torn room their names, "how original". Ironic that Urban Meyer changed the locker room schedule to say The Team Up North. I know right, "how original".
I see nothing "ironic" in Urban Meyer carrying on an Ohio State tradition. He is from Ohio, grew up an OSU fan, and is the current OSU head coahc. The tradition was started by a legendary OSU coach. The focus on Hoke is that he stole a tradition from HIS RIVAL SCHOOL. That is unoriginal, yes, but more lame than anything else.
It was really Woody and the players in the late 60's and 70's that started emphasizing the "The" in The Ohio State University. You are hard pressed to find a clip where he doesn't say The when talking about Ohio State. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oydzyTpakfo for example.
Sigh. Thank you stupid UM trolls for threadjacking.
I don't think Hoke or Hayes invented this little rhetorical slight:
"Forgetfulness too causes anger, as when our own names are forgotten, trifling as this may be; since forgetfulness is felt to be another sign that we are being slighted; it is due to negligence, and to neglect us is to slight us." --Aristotle, Rhetoric Book II
@AHHSATURDAY - Well played, good sir. Classics for the win, baby!
Who cares what a 500 W/L coach calls us. Michigan has had to rely on OHIO players and coaches for the last 60 years just to be relevent so who cares what he calls us. Schembechler, Moeller at one time use to call Woody - BOSS. So in fact the coaching tree at Michigan was developed and mentored by OHIO/Woody employees.
Hoke says for him it all started by refusing to call OSU their proper name as a ten year old kid, I believe that was the age he stated, in order to piss off his Ohio classmates. So he his continuing a childish name calling idea. I do not care what he says about anything and he could call us whatever he wants. Just seems facts about how he began the taunt become construed.
^^^^@buckeyeincc Doesn't know much about college football if he is pointing out that Hoke is a .500 coach. Even Alex has recognized the projects that he took on. Now for what I really wanted to talk about is the biggest misconception. Michigan fans LOVE getting Ohio players. This is no jab at them what so ever when you say they are winning with Ohio coaches or players. Michigan fans love the fact that they stole Woodson and Howard from Ohio. Recruit as many Ohio kids as possible, I say.
@ITSTSUN
How could you say that buckeyeincc doesn't know much about football because of a fact he posted. If you want to try to give a reason for the less than stellar success, feel free, but don't claim someone doesn't know much about college football when they stated a fact. I think a 3rd grader in a foreign country, having never seen a football game, could look at Hokes stat line and state that fact.
"Michigan and "huge mistake" are synonymous"
-Mark Titus
An interesting tidbit about OSU's take on "Ohio" at the top, front page of MGoblog if any of you are so inclined. I would copy and paste the article selection, but I can't access the site at work. Of course it stinks of Michigan perspective, but the posting is objective.
Note: I didn't read any of the comments and am not suggesting you read any other threads to bring back and flame over.
@Donkeypunch...it's ok to say Michigan. I know you can do it ;)
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
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The "Ohio" thing is meh. Just let it go. It's Hoke copying the tradition from OSU to call UM "TTUN" or "TSUN". Also, if "Ohio" is the worst thing they can think of to call us, I'm not really bothered.
Ohio > "The" Team Up North. 65-60.
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I take it as a compliment because we do represent OHIO because we are the dominate team in our state. However they cannot say the same.
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Just stick to App. State. No one cares that we got knocked out by a sweet 16 team from the MAC. I was mad for about an hour. Toledo was pretty bad, too, but, again, it was the Steven Threet led Wolverines in RichRod's first year, so it's not that big of a deal.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
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@Donkeypunch
So with that same theory then, you have no problem saying Michigan is the superior team over Ohio State according to W/L? And Michigan is the greatest football program in the nation because they have the most wins in college football history. I mean clearly a third grader from a foreign country who knows nothing about football could look at Michigans stat line and state that fact. If you would want to try and argue that feel free, but I'm just stating a fact.
I have a feeling you will disagree and I believe I made my point.
Butt is slow his coach said maybe 4.9/ 5.0 too slow for a TE in Urban's system
ItsMichigan - Easy buddy. We all know Michigan has the winningest program and we are aware of their win/loss record with OSU. (58-43-6 , last time I checked)
I am not gonna say Hoke doesn't know what he's doing or that Michigan isn't one of the greatest programs ever. Hoke coached at Ball State and San Diego State, not exactly college football powerhouses, its not like anyone can just go there and win games. I am taking a wait and see approach with Hoke at Michigan. He had great success in year one, and has been doing wonders on the recruiting trail, but lets see what the future brings on the field.
I know Michigan hangs their hats on being the winningest program in history, and thats an awesome thing to be able to claim. I'm not disputing the claim. I will say that Michigan started playing football in 1879 and OSU didn't start until 1890. Michigan has played about 50 more games total than OSU. As an OSU fan, I hate Michigan. But, I'm smart enough to respect their program for its excellence and for its place in the history of college football.
@teambuckeyes You're making my point exactly. Most people would dispute on how Michigan claims the most winning program because of the head start they had on everyone. I was just making my point when donkey punch said facts are facts. You kind of have to have some rationalization to maybe why Hoke has a .500 record or maybe why Michigan is the winningest program. I was strictly saying those statements to turn the tables on Donkey Punch and probe my point, not trying to brag about those statements.
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For what it's worth 24/7 has Butts clocked at a 4.7, being 6'6 and 225. I think that sounds more of a closer to estimate to what he runs than a 4.9 and especially 5.
ItsMichigan - no problem here. I got what you were trying to do. I just wanted you to know not all OSU fans think the same things about Hoke or Michigan's success.
saw something today about Neal maybe decommitting...that was fast
For real British? Thats super quick. Where did you see this?
Heard it from a friend, he said something about Bucknuts and then on the radio(?), bit general but said Neal was wavering already...
He (Neal) had said on twitter that there have been several schools visiting him at his high school this week. I could see him wavering if he's feeling pressure and uncertainty with all these other schools still going after him.