Eleven Warriors

*rolls eyes at this subject again*...

Ohio State will always get most of if not all of the top talent in Ohio. The only really big targets lost in the last two cycles were Kalis and Dymonte Thomas. That's not a lack of locking down the border.

Expect Ohio State to be more national, but pull in the top talent in Ohio year after year. We can't take everyone.

Look at this year: Burrows, Marshall, Lisle, Sprinkle, Thompson, Price. Is that not enough? Perhaps Urban would rather beat them by driving them into the ground than taking all of the "good players" in Ohio.

Who have we lost (top talent wise) exactly besides Dymonte and Kalis? Sorry, I'd rather pull in highly rated guys (and underrated talent) nationally that fit the system than "good players" from Ohio that don't.

well... there is historical value in OSU out recruiting Michigan and Notre Dame for OSU's top talent.  I also believe there is an unmeasurable value in having Ohio kids being the majority of OSU's roster. 

That said, this is a different coach with a different philosophy.  A huge unknown is Meyer's long term (say 6 year) recruiting style.  He was neither at BG, Utah or Florida long enough to see him build a whole team.  Maybe he finds great pieces and works well to "flip" a team.  The only thing to go by on his 4 year Florida run would be the result of an 8-5 season.....but please congratulate him on 2 BCS NC's in that same 4 year span. 

There may be some legitimate concern in losing Ohio recruits if Meyer leaves OSU in 4/5 years.  That would be a 4/5 year window where Michigan has regained recruiting relationships with Ohio High School Coaches, and would be something for OSU's next coach to have to overcome.  But this all hypothetical.

Please also consider Pitt, Penn State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Kentucky, Cincinnati , Michigan State, Louisville, West Virginia join Michigan and Notre Lame as being Big Boy BCS players that rake the Buckeye State for prospects.  Cincinnati and West Virginia  went to a BCS games recently enough with rosters full of Ohio State non recruits.  Ohio has a strong pool of well coached athletes that feed many programs. 

Cincinnati and West Virginia  went to a BCS games recently enough with rosters full of Ohio State non recruits.

I'd say playing in the Big East is the main reason they went to BCS games.

Personally I think it's an issue.  Not saying Urban hasn't gotten who he has wanted for the most part but Mich has picked up a lot of very good players in Ohio.  Would rather they would spread out over the Big X and not be centralized at the school I hate.

I'm not concerned per say but i don't laugh it off like others here

Cincinnati was tough when they went and West Virginia was too.  Even with losing Miami Fla, Va Tech and Boston College to the ACC years ago, the Big East has a better BCS record than the ACC.

My point was more that Big East teams have by far the easiest road to a BCS game than the other BCS confrences. Also Cincinnati is 0-2 in BCS games (one of those being a 27 point loss to Florida) but I guess it's a "tough 0-2".  

And Alex pretty much nails it.

The only thing to be concerned about is that TTUN seems to be pulling in a lot of the highly rated Ohio guys who aren't going to OSU.  Normally ND, Penn St, and the like do a nice job of recruiting the Buckeye State too.  They're the ones losing out lately, not Ohio State.

Hah! Big Swede say what you will.  Cincinnati was one of the country's top 20 teams when they got beat by Florida.  Do you also mock the "tough" Buckeyes of 2006 who were 12-0 and led by a Heisman Winner and also lost by 27?  Seems like anyone can get their butt beat once and a while.

 Do you also mock the "tough" Buckeyes of 2006 who were 12-0 and led by a Heisman Winner and also lost by 27? 

That also happened in the only BCS game that really matters. Cincinnati hasn't exactly been able to sustain Top 20 status. Also that year Cincinnati was a Top 20 team and getting severly outclassed in a BCS game, the Buckeyes were busy beating Oregon in the Rose Bowl. Cincy isn't even close to being in the same ballpark as OSU.

@Johnblair So what if there are a lot of players after the talent in Ohio? OSU still locks down the top talent every year, and that is all that matters. For every Le'Veon Bell/Luke Kuechly that goes elsewhere OSU keeps a Chris Wells/Ted Ginn player. As long as OSU gets the cream of the crop, why does it matter if we go after national players so much? I thought Meyer's job was to recruit the best possible players, not make sure that he gets "enough" kids from Ohio. 

Yes, Cincinnati has had a few really nice teams in the past 10 years.  Don't ever recall thinking they were comparable to one of the top 10 teams in College football History.

Then don't compare them to one of the top 10 teams in college football history.

Hey Big Swede.... your comprehension skillz are "Bearcat 27 point loss"esque.  Take a few breaths and reread the thread.

The first question of the topic asked what?  Does anyone worry about the talent that is escaping our Border?

Now relax and read the responses.

Before I say anything, did somebody really just call the 2006 Ohio State team one of the top 10 teams in college football history? Just need to make sure I traced that correctly...

I think he means the football program is in the top 10 of all time, and I'm assuming nobody is going to argue that on this website.

sorry you were offended, I will try harder not to do such in the future.  If your responses offered information on the posted question, try saying such information in your own words without tagging one of my posts and incorrectly portraying my thoughts. 

One of my Michigan freinds said that Rich Rod was doing the same stuff, trying to recruit nationally and not paying attention to the players in the state and that led to the rise of Michigan State. Yes Urban is going to land some studs but they should not be passing up players from in state that understand the rivalry and the tradition

Sorry folks but I'd take Joey Bosa over any defensive end in Ohio this year, I'd also take Baugh/Heuerman over any tight end in Ohio this year, and I'd also take JT Barrett over any QB in Ohio this year. Your worries that Meyer is letting Hoke get too many Ohio recruits are baseless.

Oh great, another one of these topics.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Urban has done NOTHING to warrant such criticism and doubt. Half of our recruits so far are from Ohio and we are also pulling in highly rated recruits from around the US.

Repeat after me...."Everything will be okay."

It's worth saying too, if this class had 25 spots we'd probably see several more Ohio kids.  We're going to have 15-18 instead and he must take the best possible 15-18 kids he can, not let a guy like Bosa, Woodard, or Barret go so he can take less talented Ohio kids.

As long as coaches aren't burning bridges at local hot beds or pipelines, it doesn't matter where a kid comes from.  Big time programs are actually awarded that luxury to be able to seek out talent that's outside of their region.  Lloyd got players from California, Texas, Florida, etc. 

Are the majority of the players going to come out of your region?  Sure, but that's largely because the kids have a connection to that school which warrants an automatic top 3 standing at said school without any effort.  If you have a talent that is 2000 miles away but is interested in your school, it's a bonus.

Us Michigan fans like to give you guys a hard time about taking talent out of Ohio, but the truth is if we both offered the same kids and recruited them equally, the majority would go to OSU because of where they're from.  Kids like Dymonte, Gedeon, Woodson, etc would be that exception.

@TENN - It wasn't that he was an UM fan, it was that OSU--in the typical plodding style of Tress (for better or for worse)--didn't actively recruit or offer him.  He saw this as a snub for a player of his talent, and committed to Michigan.  I think he's said, "They were the only ones showing me some love."

Can't blame him, Hoke beat him flat-out.  That being said, I'd wager my next paycheck that if Meyer was coach, he'd be all Buckeye.

I don't worry and I think it will be good for the conference as a whole! As Ohio State, and to a lesser extent Michigan, recruit more nationally it will only cause the rest of the Big Ten to be more competitive and start to shift some of the perception of the conference. When we are stealing recruits from the SEC Country, Texas, California, and frankly anywhere we want to it causes a trickle down effect. The Buckeyes will still have the best players and coaches in the conference, but those boarderline guys and guys that just don't fit the system that used to sneak into the class will start to funnel down to the rest of the conference. Guys that would have been Buckeyes will end up at Michigan , Wisconson, Michigan State or Penn State and the borderline players for those schools trickle down to the even lower conference teams. This will only help strengthen the conference as a whole and lessen the gap between the Big Ten and SEC. Only a positive in my eyes...

@Hail

So Thomas was a Michigan fan just to troll his own friends and family. My lord that is pathetic. He basically admits he is not a real fan of Michigan. That would be a slap in the face to me if I was a Michigan fan. How do you feel about that?

@Gray

You are the epitome of flamebait.  I couldn't care less.  If he does his best at Michigan for 3-5 years, I'll be thrilled.  But trust me, going through school in the 90's as a Michigan fan 45 minutes from Columbus was the best years of my life.

You betcha!  It was a sad, sad day when Cooper was replaced by JT.

@Hail Chris Borland was not recruited by OSU and was an ND fan growing up (his brother is married into my family thats how i know) and he went to Alter High School(private).  He wasnt really recruited very heavily by big names schools(had virginia, illi, indiana) and WISC was his first huge offer and he took it right away.  He also wasnt highly rated coming out of high school but has since proven once again the amount of stars a recruiting service gives you doesn't really matter that much.

With ESPN having the latest up to date ratings. (cue I hate ESPN, just using most up to date for this example.)

OSU has the #1,2,7,9,14 players in Ohio.
Michigan has #3,4,5,6,10,13,17,18.

Sorry, I.8.  You're right.  I changed it to couldn't...just in case anybody out there couldn't tell what I meant.