PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
you'd think with this imminent revival of Michigan dominance would inspire more than a High School crowd to turn up
There are more people at my high schools basketball games
" I went for two cause I couldn't go for three."
Just curious, what does this mean to you, as Buckeye fans? Why are you so hung up on our Spring Game attendance?
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
Mostly because most scUM fans are all "we're back!" and "we're going to beat you four years in a row" and "Hoke is god!", and it's just funny because at a minimum we'll triple that at our spring game, with rain. It's just something to laugh at.
Plus, unless the side behind them was mostly full, that's not 25,000. What a poor "estimate". At OSU, they at least keep accurate count.
That is pretty pathetic lol. @hail you should be embarassed.
- Respect the Rivalry -
first thing first.
ask your atheltic department why they did have to lie about the attendance number first.
@Hail, it's the nature of the rivalry. It could be a hot dog eating contest between a random OSU fan and a random Michigan fan and it would excite the masses.
That picture was taken from the home side (which is where the majority sat) and was taken during warmups. 25k might be slightly high, but it's pretty close.
Our Spring game (which isn't even a game) has never been a big event, anyway, but when alerts go out on every Michigan media outlet that the game is in jeopardy of being cancelled due to inclement weather, in which case the game would be moved indoors and closed to the public, what would you expect? The rain didn't help, but it was the threats of Tstorms and tornadoes that made the decision for those on the fence. It wouldn't have been more than 40-50k, even if it was bright and sunny.
I still don't understand what I'm supposed to be embarrassed about? That our fanbase isn't as passionate about our spring game as yours? Ok, you win. But, I'm pretty sure the 25k tickets we sold through in 2-4 hours for the Alabama game in Dallas is a pretty clear testament about our fans excitement for the upcoming season.
Besides, when does attendance matter anyway? If it did, we'd be the reigning national champs for the last few decades, back and forth with Tennessee. This is the dumbest "dig" I've heard from you guys to date. We have the biggest stadium, largest crowd, and consecutive games streak of 100k or more (even dealing with the dickrod era). We own attendance! Hell, we packed in over 113k to watch a college hockey game.
It's a Spring Game.... a scrimmage against yourself... who cares if 10 people are there or 100,000....
My favorite quote from Andy Geiger was this regarding renovating Ohio Stadium: "We could have the biggest stadium in the country if we wanted. All we would have to do is buy a gallon of paint and draw a line down the middle of each seat. We are not looking to be the biggest. We want to be the best and that is what we are planning on doing." It might not be verbatum, but the jist is there. I thought that was the biggest swipe at AACC's stadium because that is what they did. Having to sit sideways and being forced to stand or sit as a row is real luxury. We fit 105K+ comfortably. We're not packing 113 in like sardines. We could have the record and not even be close if we sold twice as many tickets to the home opener. Ohio Stadium would seat 210K if we had AACC's principles. Enjoy your shoe box and attendance records, I'll keep Ohio Stadium.
The reason we say u guys should be embarrassed is because if we have 25,000 show up to our spring game...we will be embarrassed. And just cause you have a larger capacity stadium...its not like we dont sell out. Nobody would trade The Shoe for any other stadium in college football. And if they would I'd like to hear the reasoning.
"Anything less than flagrant is just playing grab ass!"
@GABUCKEYE...u honestly wouldnt be embarrassed or dissappointed if only 10 people showed up. haha. That's just dumb...No offense.
I think it means a lot to have a high attendance at spring game, and it does not mean that much, all in the same token. It does not mean a lot because, in reality, its a spring game, not much on the line, a perfect season, blow-out victory, last minute drive to get to the B1G 'ship, etc But, I do have to say, it is huge to get that game feeling early and making players get that first 'game experience' out of the way with the roar of the crowd, just to let them get a feel for what it would be like, especially the younger players.
Regarding scUM, its a different scenario. They had a good year, maybe thier fans thought 'hey, we did good last year. Because the weather may take a turn for the worse, I trust that the offense/defense will be run he same, and I feel as though it will all turn out great." who knows.
The fact that ohio state had such a terrible year (by tOSU standards), the hiring of Meyer, the installation of a new offense, the buzz around recruiting, and the increased interest over the past several months on tOSU football, the attendance is going to (hopefully) astronomical compared to scUM. There is some truth to our posters' comments, and also Hails'. It is not good to see such low attendance (even if its just the 'away side', we can only speculate how many are on the 'home side', but all in all, spring games do and don't matter.
I have to say, however, that The Ohio State University spring game is huge to satisfy our needs, our interests and our overall excitement on something so drastically new compared to what we have been accustomed to for the past decade-or-so. I do have to say though, I will be very happy to see our attendance tower over scUM's.
Its the little victories in life that make the bigger ones soooooooo much sweeter.
Must have been a bitchin' sale at Walmart.....priorities.
I think it also has to do with population. Ann Arbor has a little over 100,000 residents, while Columbus contains almost 800,000. Expanding into metro areas, you're looking at 400,000 to 1.8 million, respectively. Granted, Detroit has a lot of pull there, but MSU competes for that audience. We don't compete for any college football audience--and have 2 million more people in the state to draw from.
Bottom line is that a lot of spring game attendences are walk ups, and we have more people nearby to do just that. Factor in weather, and you'll see how spring game attendences can fluxuate so wildly. Keep in mind Ann Arbor was pretty gloomy with infrequent rain, I can see the low turnout.
The real amazing thing to think about is OSU's spring game attendance is due to their hegemony over its state's large population, how does 'Bama register such consistent high turnout? They deserve more credit than us.
Granted, we still hold the record--and I'll take that any day.
@Hodge - Because what else is there to do in Alabama?
@FLIP - Let's see, you could destroy your rival's campus landmarks, physically assault a rival fan, or even sexually assault them...
The possibilities are endless.
I mean it's meaningful in the sense that there will be many recruits there, so it's important to show them love and give them a sense for a gameday atmosphere. My point was solely about the game itself. The game means nothing and I couldn't care less about being there to watch it.
It was 25000 gerbils ...
Yes, we boast about being the biggest because we are. The same as you would. Plenty of room for everyone as long as people are sitting in their purchased seat. If extra people sit in your row, of course it's going to be over crowded. And FYI, Michigan Stadium was built in anticipation of adding a second deck. So yeah, we could go a lot bigger if we wanted to, as well.
Can I hire you to make my points going forward?
You have a way of validating all points of view into one concise post that proves that no one is greater than another. I know where your allegiance stands, but I dub you the "rational mediator."
@Hodge- weather in Alabama/Southeast is usually lovely this time of year (if it isn't storming). Not to mention it is nearly impossible to get a ticket to a home game without paying a kidney for it, so this is the next best thing for some.
@SOUTHERN - Makes total sense, but still--that kind of draw at a spring game is insane, regardless of population. The fact that they can do it with a lot less is even more impressive.
@HAIL - I do what I can. I just hate to see the bickering. I live, eat, sleep and breathe football--like most people here, if my bucks lose it ruins my entire week. But I also enjoy spirited discourse, regardless of allegiance.
British Buckeye is right as well, this is the OSU-UM dick-measuring that both fanbases love, I love how we use it to help stock blood banks.
A gentleman (and lady) is as such, regardless of the colors they wear--the same holds true for the douchebags.
Spring Game attendance is a huge recruiting tool as well as a training tool. I'm glad our fans display far more passion than just about every other fanbase out there with the exception of Alabama -- the fact that we'll have 2-3x the number Michigan had should help with any recruits that are on-hand. It'll be a better environment. As Meyer said in a recent interview, the point to the spring game is to simulate a game-day atmosphere for training reasons. Some kids you don't know how they're going to react mentally when they're on TV and in front of a large crowd. For example, some kids could be playing WR and just shrug off a dropped pass. Others may replay it over and over and over in their heads thinking "Everyone thinks I suck now" and having it lead to more drops, bad routes, etc. Huge tool.
@Hail - It's a bigger deal here because regular season tickets are so hard to come by (ask alumni). The Spring Game is a very cheap way for fans who don't normally get a chance to get into games to see the stadium and see the players up close (depending on their seats). I think that's why it's so big here is because money really isn't an issue getting in, whereas you might need hundreds of dollars to get your hands on a ticket for a game in the fall.
Just wondering, where would the second deck go with the new press box? I don't see it - the Big House is way too spread out - that's why it's not real loud. The Shoe is louder because the stands get vertical a lot quicker and the closed end traps the sound.
We could be up near 110,000 - take out the club seats for benches, take out the luxury suites in B deck and fill in benches, and build back up over the Rotundra on the north end, but it's really not worth it for a few more thousand seats to try and get the record. I mean 106,000 v.s. 111,000...is the difference really that big?
BC is jealous
OSU has sold 40,000 tickets per Jerry Emig.
They better never remove my club seats dammit. :)
I think the "mine's bigger than yours" measuring stick is taking a bit too far but I do agree that showing a sense in pride of your team to the point that you might just as well sell out your spring game does say something. So there wasn't that big of a turnout at UM's spring game, better wait till after OSU's before you go spouting off. Never know what could possibly happen! it is 2012!
And as far as the population levels of the cities goes, that should have nothing to do with it. AA has no problem selling out during regular season games so the fans are there. Plus if Tuscaloosa can bring in 75k, AA should have no qualms. MSU may draw away some of the possible population but Cincinnati could easily do the same to OSU.
Still not that big of a deal in my opinion but need to stop with the excuses because alot of them are lame!
Hail - Does UM charge admission for the spring game? If so, why is there an estimate for total number? If not, I really don't understand why there were not more in attendance even given the weather thing.
That said, I do recognize there are a lot of factors in filling the seats. Many here are clomoring for a massive showing on Saturday for the Buckeyes' spring game. The current forecast is for 54 with rain. Should keep the numbers down. I also think the economy has a lot to do with it. OK, so walk ups only pay $15 at the gate, but bring a whole family and add in parking, meals, etc, and that is still a chunk of change for this economy. I could be wrong, but I don't see us at +80k. Encouraging that Recruitbuck reported 40k presold, but I still don't think we will produce record numbers.
One last thing Hail (a little off topic)- The 2009 game in Michigan stadium had a lot of Buckeyes in attendance - so many that the O-H-I-O chant took over the stadium - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E5gPKBD_tM Even the veiw around the stadium showed a lot of Scarlet and Gray - there was only one section in the corner of the endzone where the maize and blue really stood out. Just curious about your reaction to that. I know that in this day and age many fans are indeed bandwagon in nature, but I just can not fathom UM occupuying The Shoe like that under any circumstance. Please don't take this as a jab, I just wanted your feelings on it because you definately don't strike me as a bandwagon fan.
Did not charge admission, just took donations for the children's hospital which got you a Michigan item based on the amount ($5 got a patch, I think and $10 got a towel...$250 got a signed Brady Hoke football, etc).
I was at that game. Utter abomination. There were fans like me that drove 3 1/2 hours to the game and I'm sure others from much further away. Then there were those sellouts, even though it was partly in protest against Richrod,that took advantage of the opportunity to make a few bucks by selling their tickets instead of rooting on their 5-6 Wolverines. I was in that North endzone you were referring to---right up close to see Forcier take a hit at the 1 and someone from OSU scoop it up for a score. The worst part being that Tressel dangled it in front of us to make us think we had a chance...or maybe that was just Brandon Graham being himself and keeping us close...I think Boom and your other RB each reeled off a 60+ yard TD run. (Ugh...Why did you bring this up?)
Yeah, when you follow traditional powers like we do, we never expect to see a lot things happen...like seeing our consecutive bowl game record go out the window, have two losing seasons in a row, set records as the worst _____ in Michigan history, allowing 30k Buckeye fans invade Michigan stadium and hearing OHIO go around the stadium, losing 7 in a row to OSU...Dark days, my friend, dark days.
It's not likely that Michigan fans will overtake Ohio Stadium, but the same could've been said in regards to OSU fans and Michigan Stadium just 4 years ago.
No offense Razrback, but from where I usually sit (which may give me a bad perspective), it looks like 75%+ of the people in the club seats aren't that into games (i.e. not standing up unless we score, not filling back in after half until 10 minutes into the 3rd quarter, etc.). I had a chance to sit on the very edge of those club seats for one game, it was nice not looking down and seeing your two #'s off your assigned seat haha.
This pissing contest is fun, but Ill just wait until Ohio State and Michigan do that thing where they throw stuff and run around on that big green recangle with the white stripes..
I can buy the population excuse to a point, except for the fact that we know people are going to be driving from all over to come to this spring game. We've heard of one on this site already who is going to be driving about 5 hours to get there. Much like any regular Saturday game you'll have people driving from all corners of Ohio as well. I had considered making the treck from NKY myself, but because of inclement weather here on Saturday I had to push back plans from last week to this Saturday.
I do think it speaks to the passion of a program. Near 100,000 coming to essentially watch the team practice is significant. Living in Kentucky I can tell you, one of the hardest tickets to get ahold of for Kentucky basketball is Midnight Madness. They pack the fans in from all over the place to watch UK practice basketball. I think the rules of practice have changed now so they don't even need to wait til midnight now, but they still do it. Compare it to another school like Ohio State for instance, that has a successful program and I can't remember ever hearing of anyone going out to watch Ohio State practice. I don't even know if they do an event like this.
Yes, Michigan did sell their tickets for a game in Texas extremely quick, but wouldn't Ohio State or Penn State, or any other large program do the same? It's not to say well Ohio State fans love their team more than Michigan fans. The extent of love for a team has a varying degree amongst any fan. I do think it means that Ohio State fans are more football obsessed than Michigan fans. Much like I think the same about Kentucky Wildcat basketball fans love the game of basketball more than just about any fan base in college basketball.
We've heard of one on this site already who is going to be driving about 5 hours to get there.
We've heard of one on this site already who is going to be driving about 5 hours to get there.
Exceptions, not the rule. You're describing the hardest of the hardcore fans. Though we probably could, we will never fill Ohio Stadium. It's the more casual majority that fill the stands in the spring. I do agree that it does speak to the overall passion of fans, though. I'd have honestly expected that OSU--in Michigan's place--could have probably put at least double that figure in the stands. Again, though, that opinion is based on more on population than it is solely on passion (though the latter still is a main motivator).
For what it's worth, it was at risk of being canceled due to weather until 6 am that morning. I'm betting that turned a lot of people off.
I think it is obvious that this was during warm- ups.
Also, the weather report turned a lot of people off. There was a report fri night that there was a possibility that it would be moved to the fieldhouse and not open to the public. Once, people heard that they said forget it. I know i did.
Plus, we have a few other things here besdies Michigan football, we actually have professional sport teams ;).
If it was a nice day with no bad weather reports we would have got 50-55 thousand like we have in the past few years. Will it ever touch Ohio stadium in the spring? No.
Edit: I see hail made the same point already.....hodge you are a very rational guy lol if i drank i would definitely buy you a few beers. Well, I guess I still can lol.
^^^ in a perfect world, no. Undefeated... ;) (yanking ya chain, Sir.)
Edit: now I see u changed the 11-2 comment, so now I feel out of the loop
I heard Hoke wasn't allowing more than 25,000. He wanted more food to cleanup at the concession stands.
Rational: CBus has (a) professional sports team, too - the mighty Bluejackets!
All you really have to say is that Michigan used to only get 25K at the spring games when Bo was winning Big Ten championships and that small spring crowds didn't seem to hurt UM in the 1990s (especially in 1997) or early 00s (pre-RR).
On the other hand, the hints that Michigan fans are too cool, sophisticated to turn out 50K for a silly spring exhibition plays into the stereotype of Michigan being a wine & cheese crowd.
Just noticed you can see the #GoBlue on the 25...so stupid.
Also, a lot of our Alumni are out of state. We have a ton of alumni on the east coast. That may play a liltte bit of a role as well. Our spring game is not all that exciting either. As long as we continue to sell out our homes games, our spring game attendance does not matter to me.
I know what you mean man -- lot of rich folks in the club area -- a bunch leave about 3/4 through the game. Not me though. I'm not rich, and when I do go to games I get there about 90 minutes early as soon as the doors open and I don't leave until the game is completely over. :)
Yeah, it does have a professional or corporate feel to it, but I certainly understand why they implemented those (as well as the luxury boxes) during the renovations...$$$$
Other than just something to pick on Michigan about, and since this is an Ohio State blog it's acceptable to do this, I don't know that it's something that should worry you. At the end of the day does it really matter if 100,000 end up coming out Saturday nope. Does it mean that a fan that loves Ohio State loves their team more than you love Michigan, not at all.
It just means that the fans are obsessed with football, and especially Ohio State football. Football means a lot in Ohio, and no state is more significant in the history of the game than Ohio in my opinion. I look at football in Ohio much like I look at basketball in Kansas. The game at all levels is important. Coaches like Paul Brown, Woody, Bo, Pete Carol, Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, and the list goes on and on have roots somewhere in the state of Ohio or a program in Ohio. So, when the favorite team has a practice for 7 bucks on a spring day, yeah I'm not shocked 100,000 people could show up. Football, in general, just means more in Ohio.
Hodge, I'm not completely discounting the notion of population being important at all, but I definitely think there will be more than a handful of people making the trek from Dayton, Cincy, Cleveland, and other corners of Ohio. Especially, with the buzz around Ohio State football with Urban and the recruits that will be in town etc. Coming off of such a rough year and all the excitement and Urbmania that the program has around it right now are going to draw folks from near and far. Of course the overwhelming majority will be students from campus and people who live in Columbus.
My point was more about what the status of football in Ohio is compared to other places. No matter what the population is, if football didn't mean something more in Ohio than it does other places, you wouldn't draw the kind of numbers they do for spring practice.
Look at the list of spring practice numbers that is out there in the forum or blog post section. There are a few programs on there who love their teams and sell out their stadiums on a regular basis that don't have all that impressive numbers.
Thanks for the shout out BT. Yes I am willing and able to drive 5 hours to come for a Spring Game, that is how much it means to me. I want to be there first and foremost to see the beginning of what I believe will be an era to be in Awe of. I would have driven 5 hours to come to last Saturday, but unfortunately I am not a student!
I'm coming from Cleveland for this game and am sitting in those club seats Hodge talked about. Mostly because I am very excited about the new era of football. The other reasons though are like what some of the other posters have already mentioned. I am not willing to pay anywhere between $180 to $700 dollars per seat it would cost on any regular season game. (damn ticket brokers) due to the games being sold out all the time. Plus my son is a student there so it gives me an excuse to come down and hang out with him. I am proud that we will have a good showing of fans for the players sake, not because I want to beat TTUN. I think it makes our young men feel good when the fans show support.
Only 5 hrs?? We are snow birds living in Florida for 5 months and are coming home 2 1/2 wks early so we can take our grandson to the game. Are we nuts or what!
Sounds righteous to me Buckz4ever! Good for you. I nearly packed my family in to the car to drive up from FL myself...but alas - in the end it is just the spring game and I think I will be bringing the crew up for The Game this year...
@ Hail - I'm late to this forum & just saw your question & wanted to address it. Regardless of whether it is or isn't dumb to make fun of the low UM spring game attendance numbers - this is an OSU blog. People are well within their rights to poke fun at all things M*&%+!*n if they so chose. They have a bunch of really great blogs specifically geared toward the team that you love where they make fun of all things OSU. Just as it should be. I have no problem at all with fans of your team being on this blog...but don't be surprised when someone makes a contest out of every possible thing they can regarding the 2 schools - that's just the nature of the rivalry.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
UM did not charge admission- they just took donations for the children's hospital. If you donated $250, you got a signed Brady Hoke football. Sources said that the Athletic Department had Brady Hoke sign 2 balls, just in case 1 actually sold and they needed an extra.
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