PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Don't tell me...that in the deepest recess of your minds...you HAVEN'T seen lots o'NC's for tOSU, under Meyer!
Just let us get to Indy first. 2 years in a row the most dominant team of the big ten over the past decade won't be there.
To be honest I don't think Urban Meyer + OSU = Guaranteed NC's (at least right away). It's just not that easy. I think people need to be realistic especially about this year. It takes more than one season for players and coaches to be completely comfortable in an offense. For those of us working in the real world, think about how much for comfortable you were at your job after a year of experience. I think we all need to be realistic about expectations and not call for Urbans head if we loose 2, 3 or 4 games. No one knows how players will react to the sanctions either.
After next year, we should definitely be in the title hunt every year. Ohio State will always have better talent than everyone in the big ten (@hail this is your que).
Interesting comment I heard from Jordan Kovak after the spring game: "our goal is to win the big ten every year." Here at TOSU, our goal is to win a national title every year.
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When you win the big ten championship its opens up all those other doors.......
JT set the bar pretty high in his decade as coach, and not many would be expected to jump over it; Urban is. I just hope he has a softer landing.
We can't get too far ahead of ourselves. If Urban Meyer coaches 10 years, I think we can realistically expect 1 or maybe even 2 national championships. It is hard to do, and even harder now that you have that B1G championship game in a sport where 1 loss can ruin your national title hopes. I can foresee us having a lot of close calls, some 10-2/11-1 type seasons where we win our division and the conference most of the time we win the division. I think we can get to a lot of BCS bowls and win most of them. The national title is a huge mountain to climb, and you have to have a lot of things go your way on top of bringing your A game every week.
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Dynasty - no. Competitiveness - hell yes. Urban + tOSU is not a guarantee of success, but we should at least be able to expect an extremely competitive offense and defense. From there, anything can happen. I just don't think the average Joe understands how much circumstances dictate the success of a team - from game schedule to injuries to off field incidents. It is often said that each team will have to deal with at least 3 major problems (like injury to a star player for example) each season. The great ones prepare to conquer all adversity, but let's face it, there can be more instances that could certainly be insurmountable. However, I would expect that the Meyer led Buckeyes should be in contention for the B1G championship regularly, but maybe not every year. Only time will tell.
Who has been a Dynasty in college football though? No one ever wins 3 titles in a row of hell even 2 in a row. I do think Urban's teams will dominate the B1G because a lesser coach with lesser talent was able to. The B1G as a whole isn't any better than those days and lets face it, in the near future there isn't any sign of the conference improving at all. Michigan may get back to where they were before DickRod, but Tressel had their number.
Urban is a better coach, who attracts better athletes, and he's probably the best big game coach in America. He has crushed his rivals at every stop and won bowl games. All but one that Michigan fans love to point out.
I honestly think Ohio State's teams will be more dominant. Do I think they will be in 2012? Absolutely not. I think realistically 2014 is the year Ohio State wins the National Championship. I think the team this year will be good enough to win double digit games. They only needed to be just a little bit better last year to win against Nebraska, Michigan, and MSU. Offensively the team was horrible last year. Just getting the team up to mediocre on offense will improve them enough to be an 8 win team next year. The defense will improve too. I don't think a 10 win season is all that crazy to expect next year.
I know Greg Doyel doesn't always write pieces that make Ohio State fans happy, but occasionally he does right a good piece now and then. When Meyer got hired he wrote an article that said combining Meyer and Ohio State was going to be extremely powerful. Maybe even more so than Calipari going to Kentucky. We know the results so far for Kentucky. Granted it doesn't take as long to turn around basketball teams as it does football, but when you put a name like Meyer with a program that has the power of Ohio State, the results will be amazing.
Do I think Meyer will win 6 titles in 10 years? Maybe B1G but not national. I do think though, in a 10 year span, he'll get 3 and I think the first one will be 2014 and I think he'll put the team in the conversation in 2013.
10-2/11-1 season- 2012-Miller gets the offense going while the defense absolutely wreaks havoc.
Rose Bowl-2013-Miller's first year with Jalin Marshall and his infusion into the offense.
Natty-2014-Miller will be a senior while Marshall is a sophomore. Washington and Spence will both be Jrs along with the myriad of other defensive studs Meyer's brought in. This is the year I think that we could *possibly* see the best OSU team ever..
Those are my expectations for the team under Meyer in the next 3 years. I think that he'll absolutely destroy the B1G, with Michigan being the only team that will be able to challenge us. As for a dynasty, I think USC was the last true dynasty that we will see, for the parity in CFB is definitely increasing. If Meyer wins two titles here in a 5-6 year span I think that he will have met the insanely lofty expectations we have for this team. Although I do think that 2 titles during his tenure is definitely doable and that anything more than that is just incredible.
"Lots of national championships" is setting the bar pretty high. If "lots" means "more than two," that would be more than any FBS coach has won at his current school (Saban has three spread over two schools). Even Paterno had just the two in his entire career. Meyer's track record as of today is even better than Saban's was when he showed up at Bama, but expecting the exact same kind of success would be unrealistic. Not that we can't hope, of course.
I'd like to think that the Buckeyes would remain the dominant program in the Big Ten over a period of years. That's what they have been already, after all. But winning national championships isn't easy.
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The teams goals fall inline with becomming a dynasty so yeah, why not? it may not be easy but its very plausable and they are heading in the right direction but they do have a long hard road ahead to get there.
One thing for sure is they will have to go undefeated to make it to the big dance
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I'm as high on Urban as the next guy, but before we start getting into dynasties, and 3 NC's and any of this other BS, why don't we just win 1 of them first? For all of the OH people who hate LeBron, there are sure a lot of people who think it'll be easy, just like he did ("Not 5, not 6..." etc.)
If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target
Do I want a several NC's and a dynasty? Absolutely! No matter who the coach is. Do I expect it? Eh, maybe in my heart but my mind tells me differently. If I could just get the two to talk I would be in good shape. Better to shoot for the starts and miss than aim for the gutter and make it.
As for a dynasty, I think USC was the last true dynasty that we will see...
As for a dynasty, I think USC was the last true dynasty that we will see...
^Name a school that was more dominant during the aughts than USC. They had several seasons were they had incredible teams that stumbled once and lost out on a chance to win a title. If USC doesn't screw up against the UCLAs/Cals/Stanfords they win several titles over the SEC, easily at that.
I agree. Just stirring the pot.
Saying that USC was the best team of the aughts is not the same as saying they were a dynasty. A dynasty means that they ruled, and although they ruled the Pac 10, they didn't rule the NCAA. You can be the best and not "rule". Lebron may be the best player in the NBA, but he certainly doesn't rule (yet), like his nickname would imply.
As for OSU, I expect Tressel-like success, with a few more surprise losses and a few more national-stage wins. Satisfied with one title in the next 6-10 years, wouldn't be surprised with two, and would be overjoyed with three.
Not being able to oversign and having the extra scrutiny from the scandals will be a real disadvantage for us vs. the SEC. Imagine if we could cut an extra three players every year and recruit extra guys? Remember, AJ Hawk was a 3* and Troy Smith was the last recruit signed that year. What if they had three fewer scholaships those years? Now, I disagree with those types of strategies, but they do make it harder to win the big one for the rest of us. That's why I grudgingly respect Notre Dame (though I pretty much hope they lose every game) and Boston College, because they really do have stricter admissions standards than the rest of the top football programs (Tony Rice notwistanding).
USC ruled the NCAA for a long time under Pete Carroll ^. I will always consider 2003 a national championship for them as well, and 2005 was such a classic that I think it attributes to their dynasty even if they did end up losing. I mean, be honest. EVERYBODY feared USC from approx. 2002 until approx. 2008. Even in the years they didn't win the national championship it seemed they were as good as if not way better than the eventual national champion.
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WTF? A dynasty on 1 1/2 national titles? One of which was vacated? Are you guys serious? That's some nice "if this" and "if that" talk, but who cares, it didn't happen that way. "If Cooper could beat Michigan, we would have had a dynasty in the '90's." Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds?
There's no "if this" or "if that" USC was quite frankly, like it or not, the mountain top of college football for nearly a decade. That's a dynasty.
I'm not voicing an opinion about what Urban will do.
I just want to clarify that everyone's definition of "Dynasty."
1) It requires more than one national title
2) Do they have to come in consecutive seasons?
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
I think averaging 10+ wins for roughly a decade, owning your conference (5+ titles), multiple BCS Bowl Wins, at least 1 National title, a heisman winner, multiple 1st round picks in the NFL, consistently having a top 5 recruiting class, finishing in the top 5-8 in the final poll every year, and going on probation soon after all the above is checked off makes you a dyNASTY.
USC clearly was a dynasty, Florida State was before that and Alabama is that now.
"...but then again 'Michigan' and 'huge mistake' are synonymous so that shouldn't have been much of a surprise to anybody." - Mark Titus
Lets settle down he hasnt coached a game in the big ten. How about winnig games before we crown the guy.
While it is true that Urban has yet to coach a game in the B10, it's not as if he's coming here from the Big East or the ACC. He made it through the SEC gauntlet twice, winning two national championships. Urban has proven himself at the highest levels of competition. There's no need to "wait and see" when we've already seen what his teams can do.
Hell I crowned him when he was at Florida. If hes not the best coach in college football hes def the 2nd best.
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
Alabama is a dynasty right darned meow. Saban has been brutalizing the country and since he got his 'way' fully implemented at Bama, they have lost 6 times in 4 years. 5 of those 6 losses were to ranked SEC opponents while the 6th was to a damned good Utah team in a Bowl game.
As for the supposed ease by which USC would have won several national titles over the various SEC teams, I would ask that you expand on that. You pass off that opinion as fact with nothing to really back it. I only ask because maybe I'm misunderstanding your comments, William. The SEC's current run of national titles began in 2006...
2006-1 Loss Florida beats undefeated OSU. That same year, USC lost twice, once in Corvallis to the other OSU and the other to UCLA which lends some credence to your theory. Here I'm assuming you think that USC team would have easily beaten the same Florida team that throttled the best Ohio State team in years?
2007-2 Loss LSU beats 2 Loss OSU. Meanwhile USC has its two losses come at the hands of the aforementioned Stanford Cardinal and the Oregon Ducks. I'll come as far as saying USC belonged in the title game over OSU. To simply say USC would have 'easily' beaten them is a stretch. They should have played though.
2008. 1 loss Florida beats 1 loss Oklahoma while 1 loss USC (lost to Oregon State early) gets left out again. Despite the fact that the eventual national champion Florida Gators have gone down as one of the best teams of all time, you still hold USC beats them easily here to? I'm interested to hear how you think USC would have accomplished this feat so easily.
This is the high water mark for Carrol's USC teams as his 2009 campaign would end in 4 losses and the rest is history. I'm sorry but I'm failing to see where your opinion-passed-off-as-fact stands up at all here. If I am reading you right, you think USC would have EASILY Florida, LSU or Florida or some combination of the three but for losss to PAC 10 Basement dwellers?
Unless you meant 2003 when USC last lost to Cal and LSU under Saban went on to win a national title by beating Oklahoma (who totally escapes the obvious jokes about choking in the 00s). In which case, I'd like to hear your theory on that one too as that LSU team that won in New Orleans was a VERY good team as well . Opinions aren't facts, despite your best efforts to pass them off as such. I'm having a pretty big problem with your 'easily' assertion.
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I don't know how you can't call '02-'08 USC a dynasty--7 Pac Ten titles, 2 Championships (1 AP only), 2 appearances in BCS title games, 6 BCS wins out of 7 games (only loss coming at the hands of Vince Young's incredible performance in the title game), and an 82-9 overall record? That's exceptional.
That being said, '08-present 'Bama is a dynasty right now. Though two finishes outside the top 5 make this one tough to call, pulling in 2 National Championships speaks for itself. Ironically, Saban has more national titles at 'Bama than SEC titles. If 'Bama pulls off another top 5 finish this season, there's no argument that they've picked up USC's torch.
The argument can be made for OSU during different parts of Tressel's tenure, but I think the team lacked the consistency against out-of-conference opponents. Went to three title games though, but only won one. '02-'07 includes all three championships, but includes two non Big Ten championship seasons in '03 and '04.
The last true college football dynasty before USC was the one we defeated in Tempe in 2003, the Miami Hurricanes from 2000-2003 were absolute monsters. 46-4, 4 Big East titles, 2 Championship appearances, 1 National Championship, and a 34 game win streak.
In my opinion, though, the only undisputed dynasty of the last 20 years has to be the Nebraska Cornhuskers from '93-'97. His teams went 60-3 over that span, with 4 Big 12 titles, 3(!) National Championships (although '97 was shared with Michigan), and won 4 out of 5 bowl games. That's absolute nonsense, and a feat I don't think will ever be duplicated in the modern era.
Miami crushed a pretty good Nebraska team who was at the sunset of their dynasty too.
Agreed. It was that loss that really ended the Obsorne legacy--though he had retired 4 years earlier--and 'Brasky's national prominence. It was ironically OSU's victory over Miami that sent those two programs in their separate directions: OSU up, and Miami down.
'02 Miami is still the greatest team to have never won a national championship. I'm convinced they would have absolutely destroyed '98 Ohio State.
I was watching All Bets Are Off and they noted our 2013 football schedule... Bruce brought up how favorable it was going to be. Sets up very well for our first title run.
See for yourself...
Aug 31 TBA Vanderbilt Columbus, Ohio
Sep 7 TBA Florida A&M Columbus, Ohio
Sep 14 TBA @California Berkeley, Calif.
Sep 21 TBA Buffalo Columbus, Ohio
Sep 28 TBA Wisconsin Columbus, Ohio
Oct 05 TBA @Northwestern Evanston, Ill.
Oct 19 TBA Iowa Columbus, Ohio
Oct 26 TBA Penn State Columbus, Ohio
Nov 02 TBA @Purdue West Lafayette, Ind.
Nov 16 TBA @Illinois Champaign, Ill.
Nov 23 TBA Indiana Columbus, Ohio
Nov 30 TBA @Michigan Ann Arbor, Mich.
Hodge - I would say I sort of agree on your points. I think that from 2001 - 2010 OSU would be the #1 or #2 most dominant college team of that era & a dynasty of sorts. Yes came up short a few times - yes lost 2 NCs but also beat that great Miami team you speak of for an NC & appeared in & won more BCS bowls than anyone else out there (I could be wrong on that statement - working off memory here). On the other hand I am & will always be a brutally blind homer.
DBit - The 2013 schedule is very favorable...I think a lot of our fans have some very unreal expectations & thats due in part to what both Jim Tressel & Urban Meyer were able to accomplish as coaches. That said, 2013 does look very favorable for the Buckeyes to at least get to the B1G championship game & who knows - maybe further.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
To respond to the original poster, I have envisioned at least a national title during Coach Meyer's time. He has won at every place he's been and won big. Coach Meyer is getting paid a huge salary, has the full support of alumni/boosters/regents/fanbase/etc and has the ability to recruit anywhere in the nation with a ton of resources at his disposal. He also knows how to compete with SEC teams probably better than anyone. Honestly for me it's not a hope, it's an expectation to win a national title in the next 5-8 years.
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