With the recent committment of J.T. Barrett, what do think we should do? Add another in Trubisky, or Bailey? Stand pat at qb and use the schollie for another position of more need?
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I would like to see them use on another position.
Bailey, if JT is the better qb you can still use Baileys athletism else where if you want. I wouldn't mind getting Trubisky either though.
Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens
I'd rather them just take 1 QB and fill in more holes at other positions...it sounds like they may be interested in taking another QB though, probably Trubisky like everyone else is saying
"Love my State, hate the football"
This is where it's more tricky for recruits who see another player at their position commit. You can shuffle in running backs, receivers, linemen, etc., but once you have a QB that is the guy you stick with game in and game out. It's going to be tough to convince a top recruit to come to Ohio State where he has to compete to be the guy where he could go to a different program and be the top guy
Edit: That being said, Meyer did bring in John Brantley and Cam Newton in the same class
Bailey will not be coming to Columbus. Book it.
Barrett will be a freshman when Miller is a Senior? Am I right on that? If so, then take one more. I'm sure it will be tough getting a great recruit, but we will need a back up. I think we need receivers. How many of them do we have this year and next?
Braxton will be a junior when Barrett is a freshman.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
Thanks Badowl. I'm having a hard time keeping everyone straight and what year the recruits are in. I'm a little surprised he wants to be behind Miller for two years before he gets the reigns.
IMO if another QB is in this class it is Trubisky....Bailey is out IMO and goes to Wisco, Nebraska, or NW
He wouldnt go to NW, didn't they recently get a pretty good qb committ?
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Yeah NW just scored a good QB I think he'll go to Nebraska, Wisc, Illinois
I will say that this now makes up for the fact that Zaire is not coming. That one would have hurt if OSU didn't pull in a QB at this kind of caliber.
Marshall, call this dude up and start making a connection!
I say call it quits for QB, we'd have 4 on scholarship in 2013, which is plenty..I say go after another stud in 2014.
Run_Fido's favorite word is strawman.
I would say we just stick with Barrett and try to land Barker or Crest for 2014.
1 QB in this class is plenty. I thought they were giving Marshall a shot at the position anyways (cough), so, in a sense they have their number. Miller, Jones, Guiton, Barrett for 2013, if we need to go deeper than that, we are in deep doodoo.
Bailey is out I don't think they take another one unless meyer is completely sold on Trubisky with the limited number of spots in the class. Were at 10 now If we have a big weekend and everything goes our way Bosa, Anzalone, Love, Heuerman, Worley commit so were at 15 Gibson is a lock 16. Lazard 17. I'd like to see them add Quick/Treadwell/ North 18 If we score a stud like Bell 19. I'd save the 20th for another OL so Rogers or Pocic if we can land him. were pretty much full boys
Pocic > those 3 recievers. OL depth is far too big of a need to pass on a stud like him
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Does anyone actually WANT Worley to commit? Im kind of thinking he'd be a waste of scholarship like Sprinkle. There's much better people on the board.
"Love my State, hate the football"
Trust me, with how selective Urban seems to be this year in recruiting, any player that has a commitable offer is nothing close to "a waste of a scholarship."
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
God forbid I have a differing opinion
"Love my State, hate the football"
I do agree with you Upnorth about Worley, but I don't mind Sprinkle, he sounds very underrated and could be a hidden gem.
Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens
upnorth why you think Sprinkle is a waste? just wonder what your thought is
O H I O is the Buckeye State
why would you use the term waste on a scouted high school kid? Sprinkle and Worley may become great Buckeyes. Are you merely judging them by Stars? If so, it's pretty evident the reason's college coaches and NFL scout's aren't contacting you for your opinions.
Fair enough. I edited the comment. I still have no clue how you could make the judgment that Sprinkle and/or Worley are wastes of scholarships. Urban knows this class is going to have to be significantly small. If he's giving a kid a commitable offer, its for a reason. He's kinda sorta a really genius recruiter. Calling them "wastes" is not only a little disrespectful to these high school players, but also a bit out of touch in that you are basically suggesting you have better judgment than one of the most proven recruiters in the history of college sports. I'm just not a big fan of your "4/5 Star or die" (so it would seem) recruiting philosophy.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
For what it's worth I saw several people (Gerdeman especially) on Twitter today mention that both Georgia and South Carolina were going to offer Sprinkle too. Not every recruit is going to be a 4/5* prospect, which isn't a huge deal, look at Sprinkle's offer list, it's pretty good.
For people who aren't "sold" on Sprinkle, it's pretty funny, to me, that you are basing your opinion of him on about 30 seconds of film that is available--
It's a good thing they didn't just have 25 seconds of film, because that's not enough to make an educated guess, but 30 whole seconds? That's plenty!
If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target
They aren't basing their opinion of him on 30 seconds of film, they are basing their opinion on INFALLIBLE star ratings by ESPN, Rivals, Scout, etc. But, I'm sure you already knew that and were just being sarcastic :)
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
Personally I don't feel comfortable about evaluating talent until the 27th second of film. Honestly I don't see how anyone can disagree.
@Triv I definately agree OL needs to be one of our main priorities I'd like to see 3 minimum if not 4 in the class ideally add Pocic,Lazard, Rogers/Lovell Peterson
Yeah I'm wondering a bit about Worleys offer too. Is it to keep the glenville pipeline open or is this kid the real deal. Gotta trust Urban on this one he's got the experience on his side evaluating talent. Remember Glenville consistantly puts out great players too. The only thing I'm wondering is Worley is a projects star player and idk why were recruiting that position with a limited number of scholarships when we need to bring in OL/ playmakers. I'd rather see the scholarship used on a different position but its Urbans team and he's gonna be selective
If someone doesn't say something ridiculously overly postive about a tOSU recruit, they get jumped on. Sorry if I ruffled so many feathers
@BJ and Xtreme- Thank you for being rational first of all. I just watched his film and i personally just thought it was unimpressive compared to others on the board
@JohnBlair- I use the term waste on a highschool kid because I do not think he is talented enough to play at one of the best programs in the NCAA. I wish the kid all the best and is an above average high school athlete. Hes not a waste of life or anything like you were implying i said, just not talented ENOUGH in my opinion. Im not judging by stars, but by my own personal opinion of film. I've never pretended to be a recruiting king or wonder why "scout's aren't contacting me for my opinions." Urban knows more about football in his pinky then I ever will. Apparently we're not allowed to give our opinions on here without at the same time proclaiming we are football guru's
Sorry for throwing off the thread. Back to the topic!
Go Buckeyes!
"Love my State, hate the football"
Unless Trubisky can play another position be done with QB's.
vacuuming sucks
until the new coaching staff has a year to develop the inherited roster and has time to implement a new offensive scheme, I'm not as concerned about "offensive playmakers". Hall, Spencer, Smith, Reed, Hyde, Indiana Smith, Brown, Williams, Thomas, Southward, Ball, Dunn, Epitropoulos....... if 1 out of 4 turn out to be studs, we will be just fine.
I'd love OSU to get more OL depth and add a safety.
This quote completely contradicts what you said about Urban Meyer at the end of your comment. You just suggested in clear words that you are better at evaluating high school recruits and deciding which are talented enough to play for us than Urban effing Meyer, a top three coach and a top one or two recruiter in the nation.
Regardless, its a bit disrespectful and silly to call a high school kid that's done nothing wrong but work his ass off "a waste." Can you see where I'm coming from?
Another note, if you aren't judging him by stars, then you are judging him by 30 seconds of film... That's not much better.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
it's all good UPNORTH, next time I won't be critical of you, being critical of someone else and we'll keep on truckin. Go Bucks!!
@upnorth no problem... i dont agree but we all have our opinion but i think by the end of the season Sprinkle wil be higher on the star chart with some better highlights to watch.
I do agree with one thing you said tho
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O H I O is the Buckeye State
I said I dont see the talent in him. period. I also said Urban knows more about football in his pinky then I ever will. He knows exactly what to look for in an athlete and I don't. I PERSONALLY do not see it in the kid, but obviously Urban does. If I was asked to be HC at the school, I decline in a heartbeat because I would screw everything up. I see where you are coming from, but would you want a very subpar athlete who barely makes his highschool team to get a scholarship to OSU because he "worked his ass off". Unfortunately, all of these kids are be judged and ranked and rated. Its part of the recruiting process. I don't see how me saying "I dont think hes talented enough to play at tOSU" is disrespectful when thats the entire point of the recruiting process.
Lets just let this conversation slide and be excited for the spring game and for the future of the team.
"Love my State, hate the football"
Guys, chillax. Most recruiting services are consistent about their ratings (Nkemdiche is #1, Foster is #2) then everything is scattered. There's clearly more talented players, and then there are potential players (Sprinkle, Lazard). I agree that I was surprised Sprinkle (and perhaps Chris Worley) could commit, as there are much bigger fish to fry (Bower, Daniels, etc). An offer list is usually indicitave of what D1 programs think, and Sprinkle and Worley don't have the biggest. It's not that they can't contribute at OSU, but it's much less likely.
Surprising? Yes. Waste? Possibly. It's all a matter of opinion, and it's no one's place to tell someone that their opionion is wrong.
I for one thought Warren Ball was unimpressive in high school (I watched full games of him in person probably 5-8 times), that a scholly should've gone elsewhere, but he still committed. I think Darron Lee (2013) is a much better power back (if he gained weight), but you wouldn't be able to tell that since he's listed as a ATH/QB/S [they run a Wing-T with WR in motion, a RB, and a H-Back] . It's hard to tell things without seeing full games.
A guy as dynamic as Darron Lee could be recruited as an athlete, and give him a shake at qb and if not, the kid would be a hell of a safety or wideout. I'm still pulling for Lee to be added to this class. The arm and the throwing motion and the release are all high quality, if not the accuracy. I think that the kid will shine this year back at QB and will earn a schollie somewhere, and I hope that it is with the Buckeyes.
Darron Lee is a terrible quarterback (no offense to him, just an observation of all the games he's played). He has not started a full year of it in high school. Last year he split time for 4 games and was then beat out by 5'7'' Zach Tomi. Awful decision maker, long throwing motion, all passes are too high or too low (I'm not sure where you are getting your info...his JV QB days?). Excellent safety, WR/TE, and runningback though. Basically a huge strider that outruns everyone, everytime. He was especially effective on taking inside counter/traps and breaking open the middle of the field. Strong kid. Not a QB at the next level.
I've seen every game he's ever played on varsity. After loosing his starting job, he floated around in the back field and played 3rd string WR (slot) (beind Kevin Collins and Adam Bodrick, http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/football/recruiting/player-Kevin-Collins-114844?colleges=show, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfR5DIR94Fc) and some deuce tight end. I'm pretty sure he has 20+ 70+ yard runs though. A real gamebreaker.
Oh and Lee's highlight tape QB parts are all JV.
any of you know watching watching Troy Smith's senior highlight reel, or play in person, that he would go 3-0 vs Michigan QBing the Buckeyes and win the Heisman Trophy? Just saying. It makes me cringe a tad reading thoughts of high schoolers, trying to excell, being labeled as unworthy or terrible at their attempts.
I am far from politically correct, but do enjoy the + over the -.
Smith probably played QB in high school though lol...
No one is labeling them as unworthy or terrible (Lee is a terrible QUARTERBACK, not a terrible football player, fact, he's never played a full season at QB in HS because he wasn't good enough to win the starting job), there are players who are BETTER than others. Fact.
Why don't you go argue with Scout, Rivals, ESPN, Maxpreps, and 247 about how their rating system is unfair and that they can't tell kids they're not as good as others? When you have a small recruiting class, decisions are made.
We can't live in a world where everyone gets trophies.
ha! recruitbuck. care to reread. I don't feel you understood my post.
I feel Braxton will finish out his career at Ohio State and could possibly red shirt Barrett and maybe during Miller's senior year have a few snaps, we will see Barrett for some non-conference games when the score is 100-0. I think Guiton will fill that role this upcoming season. I think Braxton will be finishing his 4 years as the starter unless something drastic happens.
Hey man, I didn't say that Lee HAD set the world on fire as a quarterback, but that I felt that he WOULD get the nod at QB this year and perform well. I don't care if the thirty seconds of highlights are against the school for the blind in the third grade, the kid has some arm strength, a quick release and if he can put it together in his mind has the physical tools to play QB at the next level. The kid is an dynamic enough athlete that he would be worth a scholarship anyway, and I hope that he ends up a Buckeye.
Take two this year. Barrett will be arriving in what could be Miller's last season and absolutely Guiton's last season. That would leave just Jones and Barrett as scholarship QBs for the following season with at least one season in the system. That is why you take two this year.
Im still on the Trubisky bandwagon. He's strong, fast, and looks like a hardworking kid (obligatory Tebow comparison). Not surprisingly, he got another bump from 247 to a 4 star today
Not to mention Mentor runs the spread so he's already familiar with the offense
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
@Yankee,
New Albany also runs a wing-T, which means they only really pass on third down (which they often don't have) That coupled with poor decision making isn't always good (ie, running backwards).
He won't get a scholarship to play QB (at OSU) because he hasn't proven it, and I don't think he will (besides an insane amount of rushing yardage) next year. Which is why he probably projects as a safety. Urbz wanted Zaire and Bailey in camp to see them throw, and they're light years ahead of him as a QB.
My guess is Lee goes to Purdue or Boston College, although if given any SEC offer, I'm sure he'll take it. He's got killer instincts and closing speed, so I could see him at OSU as a SS/star. I imagine if he and Marshall both go to OSU, they'll let them try at QB a few snaps, then Herman/Fickell will each take them to other positions (WR for Marshall, DB for Lee)
I think we take two but if they intend to give Marshall some reps at QB we may already have two.
Yeah, especially with Crest/Kizer/Barker on the horizon...
I could see them taking Trubisky, but I don't think it will happen. I think definitely two next year.
Recruitbuck, thanks man. i just saw the kid's raw physical tools as intriguing, and yes, i love him at defensive back, and i hope that we offer him. it is good to hear some full game/season reports from people who have actually seen these kids play.
Wanted to comment on the Sprinkle debate that was going on and don't see a reply link. Anyway I kind of agree about not liking the Sprinkle scholarship, not anything to do with his star rating or his talent, I thought what limited video I saw was decent. Mainly because with the possible addition of Bosa as SDE and the previous class of Spence, Pittman, and Washington at DE I don't see him getting on the field a lot over those players. Sprinkle said they wanted him at DE. Now if he's gonna move inside that's fine. With the limited space I didn't think there was a need for another DE that doesn't look to be can't miss and Sprinkle's tape is decent but he's not a cant miss prospect by any means.
Just my two cent's. Anyway now that he is a Buckeye, I'm 100 % behind him and hope he goes on to great things.