Should not have done it (going to MGoBlog to see Meyer story raging) but in doing so was reminded of why I feel the way I do about THEM. If you can read through all the comments it will give you insight into the stupidity. Most anything middle of the road to positive is from OSU posters or other than tsun fans. The few that can, see it for what it is. The rest or majority say OSU and Meyer are cheaters, liars, and have always been. That Hoke is a God, scUM is heaven, and they are looking down at us as sinners of the world. The OSU administration allows and wants that conduct to exist and on and on. The story has stirred the pot the way the author meant it to do. Sorry to bring scUM to your attention.
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/otish-expose-meyers-time-florida-sparknotes-hes-shady
All the reasons I despise MOST scUM fans, amazing you don't see a single tOSU fan post there....but here we have at least two scUM fans that many of us appreciate their insight. Just another reason we are better than "them"
The only thing I'll say about this is that if this story came out while Meyer was at Florida we would be saying the same things as these UM fans are saying. Whether Meyer is "shady" or not, our fans are going to bite the bullet for the wins and championships. UM fans would do the same. Any fan base would.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
It's not like Rich Rodriguez didn't have dirty laundry, he just didn't win enough for anyone to care.
I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.
There's no electron microscope powerful enough to detect the amount I care about what they think of any of us.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
The posters at MGoDouche are as objective about this story as Fox News covering liberal issues.
What should be pointed out are the responses of former Florida players such as David Nelson and what he said on Twitter. I think he gives a more accurate picture.
Nothing to worry about.
Just remember that Lloyd Carr told Justin Boren to transfer when RR came in.
They should have an article about how Brady Hoke couldn't win with Rich Rodriguez's recruits...oh wait.
Comment on Mgo
"and at Big Ten Bowl destinations they talk about how rowdy Buckeyes were if they were there the year before."
So when scUM went to New Orleans this past year, they didnt go to Bourbon St. ad have a little fun? cmon man I know people who went and had just as rediculous stories as when i went vs. ark
when michigan calls themselves the harvard of the midwest, i believe that is a HUGE insult to harvard. unless there is a harvard middle school somewhere that i dont know about
At what point did ann arboor become the moral compass of college football? Must have missed that. I mean, they go as far as to question tebows virginity in there. Wow...
Meh. If you can't count on your hated rival to pickup and run on a story like this, they aren't much of a hated rival.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
@PCON258 how is that even relevant? Outside of our rivalry, we should respect the school for its ridiculous academics
Personally, I could care less about them, sports-wise, I hate them, but I do respect the academics, because I am actually applying there this fall for grad-school.
Anyway, just goes to show... You can feed a Bobcat all the chili it wants, that don't mean its gonna crap out diamonds.
Meh. Whatever. Its a blog dudes, few of its readers (like few of ours) will look at something objectivley. If this article was written about Hoke, %90 of our readers would react the same way and not see it for what it is-flawed yellow journalism.
UFM is already pissing people off and hasn't even coached a spring game. We all need to brush up on our butt hurt coping skills because he will cause more of it than anything any of us have ever seen before-and that includes you readers old enough to remember Woody. Brace for a long few years, Buckeye fans. The barbs and arrows will be flying from every direction....while we celebrate multiple conference titles and bowl wins sprinkled with an NC or two...
Edit-DubJay...Seriously dude? That might have been the funniest comment I've read all year. Well played sir.
4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off
Fortmeyer, honestly, I think you're just trying to flamebait. Did you read the comments on the thread? The minority of the comments agree with the story, let alone, bash Meyer or OSU. Most responses are to the tune of "Not enough info...this stuff goes on everywhere...the journalism is faulty. There are a few posts that are very opiniated, but few and far between---not 98% like you're implying.
Do the majority of Michigan (and college football) fans think Meyer is shady? Yep, I'm one of them. Do they think Meyer is willing to win at any cost? Maybe (probably more in the past than now). Is it believable that Urban might have contacted or bumped into a recruit during a dead period? Who knows? Do most Buckeye fans feel like he isn't as pure as the facade, but maybe he is turning a new leaf at OSU? You tell me.
Fact is Fortmeyer, you've expressed that you don't like Michigan fans at 11w, but I've seen your comments about happenings at MGOBLOG more than a few times. But you see, I don't go to Buckeye boards and go back to the M boards and whine about what you guys say about Michigan. Why? Because I expect there to be a bit of a lashing out here. It would be weird as hell if we start rooting for each other.
Like Buckeyeneer said, if your most hated rival isn't going to point out your low points, who is? You guys always have App St. and we will always have tattoogate or The Punch and everything in between.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
I would expect Michigan fans to delight in this story. Heck if the story was about Michigan, we all would be posting about it and having a great time.
There may be some truth (or a lot) to the report about Meyer, who knows. It seemed to me like a lot of speculation, un-sourced info, and he said-she said. And I am not one to throw out the 'this stuff goes on everywhere' line, but come on, lets not kid ourselves. I think we would all agree that big time college football is a dirty business. I am not excusing anything that happens (or has happened), I am just saying things do happen. We would all love everything to be done the 'right way'. But how do any of us know for 100% sure that ANY program or coach or school is 'clean'? There are those who have been caught and those who haven't. To me this is the current state of big time college athletics.
We already knew about the player arrest record at Florida, and it wasn't much better at tOSU in the same time frame. Unfortunately, I'm sure players will still make mistakes in the future.
As for Coach Meyer, it seems he has great relationships with many former players, and there are coaches who worked with him at Florida who chose to work with him at tOSU (Smith, Drayton, Marotti, and Pantoni). If Coach Meyer had let that program get so out of control and he was a "bad person," then why would these coaches choose to work for him again at tOSU?
Sorry for causing you angst hail but I think you are out of touch. I will not go back and forth with you or anyone else about such an issue. I simply read alot of things and want to bring it to other OSU fans that may not see it. This is an OSU board and if any fan of any other team, especially yours, doesn't like to read the info posted here then you should take the advice of the moderator for you from yesterday. I definitely despise those that use any little bit of dribble to heap negativity onto anyone, especially our team. I stand up for what I believe and I will not stop posting info on your behalf.
I read MGoBlog a lot, and I started posting there occasionally. I like UofM perspectives here, and it made me feel like I should try to participate over there like I want them to here. Rational opposing viewpoints improve everyone's discussions, opinions, etc. It sharps our collective wit and provides us information.
Also, I live in Michigan, and have a respect for Michigan in many ways. They are our rival for a reason. We don't go around being rivals with just anybody. I've learned to separate my hatred of Woodson, Biakabutuka, and crew from my hatred of say the UofM hospital. I think we have many rational, well informed fans here at 11W and MGoBlog does too. I believe there is, amongst most of us at both sites, a mutual respect and admiration. Let's keep it up. Go Bucks!
“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.” - Woody
I don't doubt a lot of the article was true. Let me see Urban showed favoritism to guys who were really good? No shit? Wow! College football players smoke weed? First I've ever heard of it. A coach isn't honest about why a players has been suspended for a game, must be the first time that ever happened. With this article, I tend to agree completely with one of the comments in the article section. It's a writer who loves Florida and is hacked off that Meyer left, and went to Ohio State at that.
As for MGOblog and the comments over there, I could care less about what they have to say. I'm not shocked that some will be happy about this article or judge the Ohio State program over it. They are rivals thats' what they do. I've said it before, and I'll continue to say it I don't get the hoopla over that blog. Maybe I picked bad times to be over there reading it, but one time the hippy was banning people, who were regular commenters, because they said something negative about Michigan. I don't like how the site is layed out, I don't care much for his writing, and the discussions are much like any other blog, but they do have a few more idiots commenting than what 11W has, of course they probably have more people over there too. I've always heard the high praise that the hippy and his blog have received and thought they were sarcastic jokes. Then one day, I laughed about a comment about how great that website is, and someone said no, seriously it's really good. Maybe my Kentucky brain is too simple to recognize it's greatness.
@Bassplayer
I'm not saying this is fact or applies to this situation. This is just a hypothetical answer...
It's all about the Benjamins! Winning brings more of it. OSU is big time. Urban Meyer is a rockstar. Is a fist full of championship rings or an extra $100k, $500k, $1M salary/bonus potential worth keeping your mouth shut or turning your head?
In another league, but what was JoePa's and his staff's incentive to keep quiet?
Could be the complete opposite. My guess is that someone out there would fall into this kind of situation.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
You do their blog a great service, I for one wish you wouldn't.
dont forget, when the real Ohio, showed you who they were in the tourney
mark may wins douchebag of the year... again
I post at mgoblog occasionally as well, because I appreciate most of the things that hail and m man have to say, and would hope that someone would appreciate what I have to say on my rivals' blog. I'm sure hail understands that you're not all gonna love him and his presence here, but some of us appreciate his input, which I'm sure he knows that as well. Who are we to insult how mgoblog does its business and then do the same things over here? If you don't want to read Michigan blogs, don't. If you don't want Michigan fans on our blog, I guess that's your problem.
Ummm, since we have beaten them like dogs the last 8 years, have finished with a better record, and a National Championship...wouldent they be looking UP at us as sinners?!?! Just sayin. Go BUCKS, F everyone else.
We were beaten like dogs 2 of the 3 Richrod years. You won 7 of the last 9, but most of those games were close.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
2003 Michigan 35 Ohio State 21 Ann Arbor
2004 Michigan 21 Ohio State 37 Columbus
2005 Michigan 21 Ohio State 25 Ann Arbor
2006 Michigan 39 Ohio State 42 Columbus
2007 Michigan 3 Ohio State 14 Ann Arbor
2008 Michigan 7 Ohio State 42 Columbus
2009 Michigan 10 Ohio State 21 Ann Arbor
2010 Michigan 7 Ohio State 37 Columbus
2011 Michigan 40 Ohio State 34 Ann Arbor
Average margin of victory for scUM- 10 points
Average margin of victory for tOSU- 15.7 points
Exactly how it should look...greatest rivalry in sports!
well, if you take it all the way back to the 1970...i think we have a 1 game lead...then do the average margin of victory.
42 years and basically split right down the middle.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Your split right down the middle.
1970 Michigan 9 Ohio State 20 Columbus- O- 11-#
1971 Michigan 10 Ohio State 7 Ann Arbor- M- 3-@
1972 Michigan 11 Ohio State 14 Columbus- O- 3-#
1973 Michigan 10 Ohio State 10 Ann Arbor- T-0-0
1974 Michigan 10 Ohio State 12 Columbus-O-2-#
1975 Michigan 14 Ohio State 21 Ann Arbor-O-7-#
1976 Michigan 22 Ohio State 0 Columbus-M-22-@
1977 Michigan 14 Ohio State 6 Ann Arbor-M-8-@
1978 Michigan 14 Ohio State 3 Columbus-M-11-@
1979 Michigan 15 Ohio State 18 Ann Arbor-O-3-#
1980 Michigan 9 Ohio State 3 Columbus-M-6-@
1981 Michigan 9 Ohio State 14 Ann Arbor-O-5-#
1982 Michigan 14 Ohio State 24 Columbus-O-10-#
1983 Michigan 24 Ohio State 21 Ann Arbor-M-3-@
1984 Michigan 6 Ohio State 21 Columbus-O-15-#
1985 Michigan 27 Ohio State 17 Ann Arbor-M-10-@
1986 Michigan 26 Ohio State 24 Columbus-M-2-@
1987 Michigan 20 Ohio State 23 Ann Arbor-O-3-#
1988 Michigan 34 Ohio State 31 Columbus-M-3-@
1989 Michigan 28 Ohio State 18 Ann Arbor-M-10-@
1990 Michigan 16 Ohio State 13 Columbus-M-3-@
1991 Michigan 31 Ohio State 3 Ann Arbor-M-28-@
1992 Michigan 13 Ohio State 13 Columbus-T-0-0
1993 Michigan 28 Ohio State 0 Ann Arbor-M-28-@
1994 Michigan 6 Ohio State 22 Columbus-O-16-#
1995 Michigan 31 Ohio State 23 Ann Arbor-M-8-@
1996 Michigan 13 Ohio State 9 Columbus-M-4-@
1997 Michigan 20 Ohio State 14 Ann Arbor-M-6-@
1998 Michigan 16 Ohio State 31 Columbus-O-15-#
1999 Michigan 24 Ohio State 17 Ann Arbor-M-7-@
2000 Michigan 38 Ohio State 26 Columbus-M-12-@
2001 Michigan 20 Ohio State 26 Ann Arbor-O-6-#
2002 Michigan 9 Ohio State 14 Columbus-O-5-#
2003 Michigan 35 Ohio State 21 Ann Arbor-M-14-@
2004 Michigan 21 Ohio State 37 Columbus-O-16-#
2005 Michigan 21 Ohio State 25 Ann Arbor-O-4-#
2006 Michigan 39 Ohio State 42 Columbus-O-3-#
2007 Michigan 3 Ohio State 14 Ann Arbor-O-11-#
2008 Michigan 7 Ohio State 42 Columbus-O-35-#
2009 Michigan 10 Ohio State 21 Ann Arbor-O-11-#
2010 Michigan 7 Ohio State 37 Columbus-O-30-#
2011 Michigan 40 Ohio State 34 Ann Arbor-M-6-@
Ohio State- 20 wins- 10.55 average margin of victory
Michigan- 20 wins- 9.7 average margin of victory
Ties- 2
I don't think any of us can argue one way or another with those stats!
With all due respect, there were a lot of posters on there saying this was bad journalism and that the article kept referring to "annonymous players." Did you expect it to get a positive reaction there?? I do think you were just fueling your hate with this post, which is totally fine. I try to find something everyday to make me hate your program more and more everyday, but the respect is always there. ( not saying you disrespected me or anyone else)
Of course Mgoblog is going to to be Pro Hoke and Anti Urban, lol why would you expect it to be any different. But, in all seriousness there were some very rational posts in regards to that thread and I am sure some of the stuff in that article were accurate. I have learned this through the media over the course of my life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Well Bobby Petrino was apparently fired by Arkansas, so let them run on that new story and forget this "breaking news"
"Love my State, hate the football"
This is a non story. Why do you think the man quit and/or was burned out. If everything was perfect with the criminals down there why would he have the issues he had before he resigned. MgoBlow is rehashing info that is not only over the damn, its under the bridge and already out to to sea...just like them. They need to stick to facts that are current like...how do we get D Robinson a Heisman Trophy when Ohio State is going to kick our ass? Michigan should feel great next year they get to go to 2 bowl games. Ours and then the Outback Bowl. Facts are facts!!
@Rational MFan, hope you aren't talking about me? I was just posting out of my own curiosity and Hail asking about it.