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Shoulda taken Reiff. Him and Thomas would be very solid on the outside of that line

I like Weeden, but not at 21. I wanted Stephen Hill and wait for Weeden at 37...who was gonna take him before 37? Minus a trade up of course.

I don't mind the pick. Provides us with a backup in case McCoy goes down and honestly he very well could surpass McCoy this offseason. He's extremely accurate and throws a wonderful fade route, his skillset would fit the West Coast very well. There are still plenty of quality wide receivers, running backs and offensive lineman left. RBs=James, Martin, Pead and Polk. Oline: Martin, Adams, Sanders, Massie, and Potter are left at the tackle position. At the guard position you still have: Glenn, Osemele, Brown, Brooks, and Allen as quality picks in 2nd-4th rounds. WRs: Ryan Broyles, Joe Adams, Reuben Randle, Juron Criner, Alshon Jeffery, and Mohamed Sanu.

He's going to have to retire in 4 years what's the point?  NEED RECEIVERS

@Redstorm Staubach was what 27 as well? Of course your counter argument will be so was Weinke, I presume? The guy was the 2nd best QB in the draft behind Luck. RG3 will be a monumental bust and set back the Redskins another 5-6 years.

Sorry to all the Kiper worshopers, but Richardson is just as bad a pick.  Mark my words, Martin will have a better career, but neither deserves to be top-5, let lone top-20.  Trading up for a running back?  This isn't 1956,  the Browns would be better off picking up a running back  with the 227th overall pick.  *sigh*.  Horrible job today by the Browns management... although I do hope they prove me worng.

RGIII, btw, is the real deal... 1st and 2nd pick were no-brainers.

The D was 10th in the league, last time I checked Top 10 is pretty damn good. While I agree there were better picks, this wasn't the worse one. Honestly I would've rather had them take Kalil at the 3 since they wasted picks to move up there anyway. Also I think Doug Martin would've been a solid pick at 22 instead. A running back was more important than a WR though. The thing is, there are tons of quality wide receivers left in this draft. Check all of the ones I listed above. Also RG3 is far from the real deal, his throws have no velocity, just like Matt Leinart and besides giving up this years 1st and 2nd plus the next 3 years 1st round picks is insane, no player is worth that many picks.

edit: The Dolphins are out of their minds taking Tannehill with the 8th pick.

Obviously Richardson was a great pick. I didn't like weeden at first but it's growing on me. He's a prototype. We will probably end up trading the colt this week which is sad because hes a good player who wasnt put in a position to succeed. With an average o line, no rb, no talent at wr and most of all no offensive philosophy or strategy there is no way he could have succeeded. Sad story and the qb carousel continues in cuyahoga county. Why do you think we are all such loyal buckeye fans? It's it's only winning team we have.

P.s. I do not believe in holmgren yet. I think he's happy to collect money and have unlimited power while our apathetic owner hides behind his European soccer team. Pat shurmur is also an idiot.

I think should keep McCoy. If Weeden beats him out, still need a solid backup. Seneca Wallace is no longer a viable #2. He is third stringer. I do think Weeden will beat out Colt.

QB's play defenses, not each other.  Also helped he had BLACKMON on his team.

Reference to Weeden's age was slight sarcasm, come on guys.  Still, a potential "future" QB being older than your current one? You might get 5 good years out of him at the most.  I don't think takinig Weeden helps the 13 points a game offense.

They were 30th in rush defense at 147 yards a game.  Houston game? The chunks of yardage come in the passing game, but teams could easily just ball control the Browns last season because they couldn't stop anyone on the ground.

Happy with Richardson.  Hate the Weedon pick.  Im pretty sure Colt needed some receivers to throw to more than the receivers we have needed someone different to throw!

gotta keep in mind that Colt was battered last year. I am sure they were concerned about his health enough to feel they needed a QB. Old or not, still better pick than Tannehill. You get the elite player in T-rich. If Weeden shows up, this is a huge draft for the Browns. Now should try to get Upshaw, Worthy or perhaps Stephen hill to add to your QB and RB.

I just read the trade for T-rich. Now I don't think it was that great of a pick. Give up 3 more picks to move up 1 spot? Not sure about that.

The more I look at this pick, the more I like it. He has the best arm in the draft and is one of the more accurate QBs as well. Age isn't as big of a factor when it comes to QBs since you can barely touch them nowadays. Look at Kurt Warner, his career pretty much started at 28 and he played for 11 years after that. If the Browns can get 6-7 good years out of Weeden this could turn out to be a nice pick. With that being said DeCastro and Reiff were both available and Weeden probably could've been taken with the 37th pick. Although the Browns can still get Cordy Glenn with the 37th or a quality wideout like Broyles, Sanu, Criner, Jeffery, Randle or Adams.

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@AHH SATURDAY - thanks dude, I literally LOL'd.  Just finished some time at DARPA where a lot of quantum science stuff is going on.  They'd have loved that. 

I like the Richardson pick, and I like Weeden as a player, but not picked at that spot.  The OL need was more important IMHO.  But what do I know, I thought the Ted Ginn draft by my Dolphins was stupid too and look how that turned out.  ... oh wait...

Browns fan here. I wanted Riley Reiff, Courtney Upshaw, or Stephen Hill. I am not a fan of Weeden at all, but what upsets me the most is that he would have been there at 37. Not only are you getting a 28 year old quarterback but you're not even getting him at great value. 

I keep trying to remind myself that we still got Trent Richardson. Today I'm hoping they get Reuben Randle, Stephen Hill, Cordy Glenn, or Jonathan Martin at 37. Wouldn't mind seeing Janoris Jenkins either. Hate the Weeden pick.

I thought the Browns had bigger problems than Colt McCoy at QB. 

There is no plan with the Browns.  Taking a RB at #3 and then following it up with a 30 year-old QB at 22?  It appears Heckert is manic.  Last year the Browns don't draft Julio Jones because they want to build from the inside out.  This year they panic and take a RB who will be hurt in Week 10 and QB that will retire in Week 12.  

What happened to building the line and defense?  Claibourne and Haden would have made a fantastic duo and the Browns would still have three more picks!  At 22, wasn't the best player available DeCastro?  I understand the Browns like their two guards at this point, but DeCastro is a mauler.  He makes even more sense if you pick Richardson!  The Browns had the opportunity to have the best OL in football (2nd round grab Massie at RT) with DeCastro and a 2nd round right tackle.  They also had the opportunity to have the best young CB duo in football.  

So frustrating.  So bad.  What happens when the Browns have the #1 pick next year?  They will, just look at the schedule.  Pass on Barkley because Weeden is the new face of your franchise?  Stupid.

Lol typical Browns... Loved the Richardson pick at 3 didnt understand the Weeden pick at all. I dont think Colt is that bad and is a serviceable QB. Team has alot more needs and like others have said, he would have been there at 37!! Lol

The Browns crapped the bed on both picks. They are behind the curve with the Richardson thing. Too much investment at a position that doesn't matter in the NFL like it used to. Secondly, you take a 28 year QB in the first round of a draft. Conventional wisdom tells you that by the time a first round QB is 28 he should be at the peak of his career. People seem to think Weeden is somehow NFL ready because of his age but his learning curve will be just as steep as any other rookie. You don't take a first round QB with the thinking that he will be able to contribute for a 3-5 year window at age 29-33. This was a total whiff by the Browns.

As for Richardson. They moved up one spot to grab him-my guess is out of fear that perhaps Tampa was going to move up? Regardless. You don't need a 'horse' at RB to win anymore. You don't even need a 35 carry guy to help in the Play Action game anymore. The entire position is changing. Look at your playoff teams-look at your Super Bowl. Running backs aren't worth top 5 consideration anymore. The Browns aren't any closer to Pit or Baltimore today than they were yesterday.

And was there seriously a comparison to Kurt Warner here? Its not a problem that he's 28. Its a problem that you saw him as one of the best 32 players in the draft and that you had to take him. Warner wasn't drafted in the first round. Heck, Warner wasn't drafted at all. Its not the same.

Just a question...I'm a browns fan. And while I think richardson is a hell of a back, how do you suppose he's going to anywhere against an 8 man front. No one will waste time covering downfeild with a stable full of possession recievers who can't catch a football. Also, they know the can send a three man rush on true passing downs and get to colt. So again, how did you improve our team there holmgren and heckert? You ignored a glaring hole on your o line. You ignored the fact you don't have a single burner to open up the field at wr. You took a qb who has little to no mobility. If you knew you were taking weeden, why in gods name did you not take blackmon? Because weedens stats are directly linked to having blackmon make him look good. And why at 22? you want a starter who can't escape a pass rush. Look at the division...baltimore and pitssburgh kill qbs. And cincy put together a nice pass rush last year. So you get a guy who isn't mobile to stand behind a supect o line and throw the ball into at least 7 in coverage on any given play? Nice. Real nice. I know I'm rambling, just still in shock at how epicly stupid our front office can be.

If you want the third pick in the draft to have one good year for you and be off your roster, by all means you can have Richardson. He plays an outdated position in today's NFL. In my opinion, Cleveland should have moved down, out of the top 10 to grab Michael Floyd (best WR in the draft) and stick with DeCastro at 22. You could have gotten a second and probably another third for the pick that was going to be Trent anyway.

Not to mention...doug martin was there at 22. And I like martin as a late first rounder far better than trent richardson at number 3.

hillis also had the best fullback in the league in front of him in lawrence vickers(don't believe me? Ask arian foster). And a healthy eric steinbach next to joe thomas. And the playcalling in his breakout year wasn't as dreadfully predictable. Apples to oranges comparison.

I'm still shocked they did this. Weeden is solid, but you don't draft a 28-29 year old QB if your a bad team. A good team in transition could afford to gamble on him. The Browns needed too much elswhere to piss away a first rounder. We could have had Reiff, DeCastro, or Zeitler. Instead DeCastro goes to Pittsburgh and will spend over a decade proving why the Steelers are a better run franchise and will always own the Browns.  FML

Stephen Hill would be a great pick tonight, but he's going to Baltimore. 

If the Browns wanted to make a splash, they should have traded up and got Floyd.  With Floyd and Richardson, you adress two major needs with stars, and you give the fanbase hope.  Floyd with Greg Little gives the Browns two strong great run blocking WR's and help's Richardson in the brutal AFC North. McCoy is the last guy on that offense that should be the blame for anything.

With regards to Weeden....

"The third-best quarterback in this draft, Weeden was projected by some to go in the second round, but Heckert said the Browns had to pounce because some teams behind them were prepared to do the same."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/04/trent_richardson_taken...

Another thing to consider is with the rookie wage scale, we won't have to pay him traditional first round money.  I think hes closer to a finished product than drafting a 22 year old kid.  His maturity will be apparent in the huddle and on the sidelines.  Hes got a prototype frame (6-3/6-4) 220 lbs, big arm and hes athletic.  I believe by drafting a 28 year old we've bypassed the maturing process of a young quarterback. The more I think about this the better I like the move.  Lets face it, with weapons or not, there are things on a field the colt just can't do.

Let's look at this objectively instead of as raging browns fans who are used to drafting bust QB's (Couch, Quinn, McCoy). Colt McCoy doesn't have it. Plain and simple. There is a huge need at QB for the browns. Is it the most pressing? Probably not, but let's play the odds game. 

• QB's left in the draft after Luck, Griffin, and Tannehill- Weeden, Osweiler, Cousins, Foles, Wilson. Who's the best of this group? To me it's Weeden by a lot. 
• OT's left in the draft- Martin, Adams, and a host of others.
• WR's left in the draft- Hill, Jeffery, Randle, Sanu, Criner, etc. 

There is a good chance that Weeden would have fallen to 37 for the Browns, but if he doesn't , then the QB's remaining are not even 2nd round material. If they take a receiver or tackle and Weeden gets grabbed, we have a huge hole at QB. Now we can still get a wide receiver and tackle that are going to be okay. There is even a chance that Hill falls to 37 and Adams goes into the 3rd, or the browns use McCoy and a little extra to get another 2nd round pick. We could easily come out of this round with Stephen Hill and Mike Adams, addressing every major need of the team. 

You are right, its not his age that will help him adjust faster. Its his experience in the minor leagues. He has been through training camps. He has had expectations put on him to be a professional athlete. He will not struggle like other rookies.

Plus with the rookie wage scale, you don't mortgage your future with first round draft picks anymore. Cleveland got so much from last years trade with Atlanta they could afford to take a bit of a risk with an extra pick. T-rich is the true first round pick this year. That is the player they need to become a star. Weeden is basically a bonus if he pans out or a failed attempt to try to get more talent. It will not push back the Browns progress anymore than sticking with McCoy.

Also, McCoy is pretty banged up after last year. He had a very serious concussion. If I was Cleveland, I would want to at least get another starter quality player because you don't know if Colt will get back on the same track he was before Harrison laid him out (illegally)!

I'm conditioned to expect that everything the Browns do on draft day will be titanically dumb.

Having said that

1) I don't think taking a RB high in the first round makes any sense in the modern NFL, and trading up in order to do so is even worse;

2) Weeden's age and lack of athletic ability scares me. Not to mention he still would have been there with the second rounder, in all likelihood.

Thanks to inactivity in free agency, the Browns still don't have an elite WR, or a right tackle, or an outside linebacker to replace Fujita (let alone any backups at LB), or enough depth in the secondary. Good luck finding all that in the next few rounds.

I also think of it like this as well: Last year Cincinnati drafted AJ Green and Andy Dalton with their 1st and 2nd picks. Cleveland just draft T-Rich and Weeden with their 2 first round picks.

Cincinnati was lauded for their draft and in turn their team went to the playoffs. Cleveland is said to have made bad draft picks.

Now tell me, is there that much of a difference in #1WR, #RB,#1QB for each team?

Cincinnati 2011- AJ Green, Cedric Benson, Andy Dalton

Cleveland 2012 - Greg Little, T-Rich, Brandon Weeden.

I think Cleveland has a better running back and just as good (red-headed) QB. They could still land a top WR tonight to go with Greg Little. I think that is quite the offense. Heck, I like Greg Little so perhaps the Browns should draft Coby fleener for a stud TE.

It's a strange pick.  Either they know something we don't about McCoy, or see something in Weeden they really like...if they were going to draft a QB I don't understand why Kirk Cousins wasn't the choice.

Dan, Hence why I put Cincinnati as 2011. Last years top 3 vs Browns this years top 3. Benjarvis I think is an upgrade just because he is a younger, hungrier back than Benson was last year.

Yeah, I saw those TEs on browns team. Ben Watson is not going to do much outside of blocking. Moore could be intriguing. I am sure Stephen Hill would be a nice grab either way. Point being, still alot of talent that will fit the browns needs. I think Jonathan Martin would be a nice bookend to Thomas! Then Weeden has no excuse to not succeed. Stud RB, great tackles and at least 1 decent WR. I wonder if a decent QB could get Cribbs to finally break out!

McCoy won't be on the roster come preseason starts

Unreal bad drafting by the Browns.  The same braintrust that loves the super old qb just two years ago loved Colt too and said his whole problem was drops and playmakers.  The Browns need some sort of executive office workplace shooter to clear out the deadweight of the 27 or so high level executives they have pissing away the lives of their fanbase.

I swear Weeden looks exactly like Steve the Pirate from dodgeball...

I can see the headline on the next steelers-browns game,  "adams smoked weeden".  lol

I'm not crazy about the pick but all this pro Colt talk is revolting! Wtf are you people watching?!? This guy has done NOTHING to prove he's capable of being a consistent and productive QB in this leauge. Even when his wr's are wide open he still misses em with ease. And yeah Weeden did play exclusively under shotgun, as if Colt didn't? All these Big 12 offenses are the same and is was Ok for Colt because he's "such a winner" and "tough" Gimmie a break. While you do need those attributes, but not nearly as much as accuracy and ability. two things sorely lacking in Colt Mccoy

WR Travis Benjamin to the Browns

Jesus I don't  like all of the browns picks either, but the last two draft the browns have done well, so lets give them a little break.