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Zaire to ND

Brian Kelly continues big weekend as Malik Zaire commits to Notre Dame. He didn't have a committable offer from OSU yet and my bet is still if Urban wants him he gets him but there are some other players on tap as well. And before anyone asks, no, this does not decrease chances with Robert Foster.

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TheBadOwl on 25 Mar 2012 - 4:52pm #

Assuming that Zaire sticks with his commitment, which quarterback(s) do you think we land?

I wouldn't cheer for Michigan if they were playing the Taliban.

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TeddyHeisman on 25 Mar 2012 - 5:00pm #

Barrett, Bailey, Chapman, Trubisky

 

Two of the four. 

 

Chapman seems pretty determined to earn an offer at camp. 

 

 

I really have no idea, but if I had to gues it would be Barrett and Chapman....again, a total guess. 

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Alpo on 25 Mar 2012 - 5:03pm #

This surprised me a bit. I hope we land Barrett...

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Rooster Buckburn Mod on 25 Mar 2012 - 5:16pm #

Hate to say 'I told you so', but just had the sense that this kid was headed to ND. Not sure him not having a committable offer even mattered.

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Alex on 25 Mar 2012 - 6:05pm #
Agree with Teddy we get 2 of 4 there
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Triv on 25 Mar 2012 - 6:09pm #

Interesting that rivals is so high on Chapman but Urbz has offered several lower ranked QBs. I trust him though, I'm just hoping we land Barrett after that I'm okay with either of the previously mentioned 3

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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FortMeyer on 25 Mar 2012 - 6:30pm #

Fully trust the Urbanator. He will get the ones he wants and who knows, maybe there is someone in the future classes he wants more. Keep in mind he is working with three less schollies so he needs to be extra picky.

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partisan on 25 Mar 2012 - 6:57pm #

ESPN has zaire's 40time listed as a 4.92.  That can't be right...or is it?

 

I'm more excited about Barrett who outperformed Shane Morris this weekend and earned an invite to the Elite11 finals (Shane didn't, lul).

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Mush on 25 Mar 2012 - 7:55pm #

Very suprised. Will he even visit campus or attend Friday Night Lights or would Brian Kelly's face turn scarlet?

I think he wanted a solid commit but he will still have to battle with Gunner Kiel.

Any thoughts ??

 

 

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UpNorthBuckeye on 25 Mar 2012 - 7:55pm #

Absolutely cannot believe it...

"Love my State, hate the football"

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DMcDougal24 on 25 Mar 2012 - 8:23pm #

Kind of takes the wind out of your sails since we've heard for quite a while that he's essentially an OSU lock.. no disrespect to anyone who's been calling that, but this was certainly unexpected.

I'm starting to think that our momentum is lost until Urban and the team start to get some Ws. We no doubt have a strong start to the class, but absolutely no momentum right now. Hopefully things pick up after the spring game

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Adamant73 on 25 Mar 2012 - 8:41pm #

I'm a bit confused? ND has a nice young crop of talented QB's including Gunner Keil who I've seen play and agree that he is gonna be a good one. Zaire will most likely never see the field anytime soon at ND (IMO). I was pretty confident that he was gonna be a Buckeye and from what some are saying he would still take an OSU offer. Big time surprise IMO.

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ThirdLegLouie on 25 Mar 2012 - 8:44pm #

@DMCDougal- Don't think this was that unexpected-- well, maybe the ND part. Zaire was all set to announce a few weeks ago and post-poned it (at the time, I thought he was going to go to NEB) but the fact that he was going to announce a short while ago, without a committable offer from OSU, shows that he wasn't an OSU lock to any extent. And I'm fine with not getting Zaire prior to him proving himself at a camp- he has serious accuracy issues (low 40% completion rate for a HS QB is NOT acceptable).  

I don't know how anyone can say there is "absolutely no momentum right now" with OSU football-- elite kids all over the country are talking about OSU-- are coming on campus. Spring ball is about to start and OSU is going to have the biggest spring game in its history with a list of A-list prospects in attendance... 

 

Just sort of surprised so many OSU fans on here acting like drama queens=== you know JT never had a class as good as the '13 one at this point in the recruiting period ever, right?

 

@UpNorthBuckeye- You absolutely can not believe that the '13 OSU recruiting class is going get better QB prospects than Zaire? I don't think that's hard to believe at all.

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

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UpNorthBuckeye on 25 Mar 2012 - 8:57pm #

I agree DMC. No doubt we will continue to have great classes and I have high expectations for tOSU, but I definitely don't suscribe to the notion that "Urban will get whoever he wants". If this were true, we'd have a few of the linemen that already commited to Mich and Dymonte and a few other guys elsewhere. Urban isn't the God that he's made out to be. I think he will do amazing things here and I wouldn't want any other guy (other than Tressel), but he'll make mistakes and swing-and-miss every once in awhile like any other coach.

 

EDIT: @Thirdleg- I'm entitled to my opinions and Zaire was the guy I wanted first. Other than Barrett, I'm not too impressed with the QB's we have on the board.

I think we all get caught up in recruiting a little too much though and analyze who we get and who we miss...I just want it to be September!

"Love my State, hate the football"

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FortMeyer on 25 Mar 2012 - 8:47pm #

Thank you ThirdLegLouie! You said it all.

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ThirdLegLouie on 25 Mar 2012 - 8:48pm #

With Braxton only being a Soph, and guys like JT Barrett, Bailey, etc seriously in the mix for OSU, Zaire likely would not have seen the field at OSU either, @AdAman

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

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BuckeyeInNYC on 25 Mar 2012 - 8:49pm #

I'm the fan that started that Malik Zaire thread a month or so ago basically asking if anyone knew why Malike hadn't gotten a commitable offer from Urban Meyer.  So needless to say, i'm not at all shocked that Malik committed elsewhere.  I'm disappointed, yes.  But obviously Urban saw something in Malik that he didn't like.  

I've read as much as there is to read about Urban and that "something" is usually competitiveness.  Basically if you have crazy talent and put up crazy stats but your heart isn't 100% into every play of every game that will turn Urban off.  My guess is that this is what happened with Malik.  

Either way, I wish Malik the best at ND.  Go Bucks.

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FortMeyer on 25 Mar 2012 - 8:56pm #

Read the other day that ND would have a four-way battle for the QB position. Adding another one to the mix may be fine for them. Don't think Meyer wants to add any depth that is not an absolute home run. Especially at qb with 3 less schollies per year as I mentioned earlier in the thread.

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Alex Root on 25 Mar 2012 - 9:41pm #

I think urban just needs to get at least one QB he really likes in this class and I am starting to think it is Barrett. If he get him I am fine with that. braxton has 2 more years, and I think Cardale jones is a decent backup- Next year though he needs to get a few top players at a couple positions, RB,OL, and QB I think are really big next year. We will have good of depth at other positions.

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JasonBuck on 25 Mar 2012 - 9:46pm #

I have to be honest, I'm a little shocked at this as well. I hope all of us who are "worrying" at the moment are proved wrong as this recruiting class moves forward.

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UpNorthBuckeye on 25 Mar 2012 - 9:48pm #

Alex Root- Braxton has 3 more years

"Love my State, hate the football"

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Hayze on 25 Mar 2012 - 10:06pm #

Not worried at all.

Many good QBs still left that we either lead for or have as good a chance as any at.

And like others said, if Urban really wants him, he'll get him. Like we saw last year, no commitment is official til signing day.

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partisan on 25 Mar 2012 - 10:16pm #

There was something on scout showing that Urban tends to get more of his committments in the summer and then close to NSD.  Couple that with the fact that we may only have 10 more spots for next year and that leads to things being a little slower and a lot more selective.

I honestly didn't see a way that Zaire would be in this class.

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DMcDougal24 on 25 Mar 2012 - 10:23pm #

ThirdLeg, I'm not saying the sky is falling or woe is us, but it's apparent that we aren't steamrolling through the other Big Ten schools like we were when Urban first came on board and wrapped up the 2012 class and started the 2013 class. Our momentum has been stalled by Michigan, Penn State, and now Notre Dame. 

I'm sure Urban will rebound and we will have a top class, but I think we're almost to a point where players (especially national players) want to see it on the field before they commit. 

One can conclude that with more early commitments than ever before, we will see the most commitment-flips than ever before as a consequence. 

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snoodogg22 on 25 Mar 2012 - 10:27pm #

Don't worry. Anyone seen Urban's track record.....pretty good!

Tough times never last, tough people do

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johnblairgobucks on 25 Mar 2012 - 10:59pm #

anyone see Urban not land Braxton Miller when he was at Florida?  Funny to read all the posts explaining away recruits committing to other schools, as recruits Meyer just didn't want. 

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phxbuck on 25 Mar 2012 - 11:19pm #

Let's just call a spade a spade, this sucks, Bivin and Zaire lost in one weekend.  We are slow playing kids because we need to be more selective with our schollies.  I get it and I understand the strategy but I feel like we are going to have to be ok with rolling the dice for huge gets in January and Feb.  If we come out with our guns blazing and scoring points, I would not be suprised to see Zaire commiting to OSU if he gets an offer he can accept. 

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rdubs on 25 Mar 2012 - 11:32pm #

I am finding it very difficult to be patient, but I am going to try my best.  If we end up with Barrett and Pocic, losing these two will not hurt so much (or at all).  The problem is we are going to have to wait at least until summer for some of these guys we are high on and still have nearly a year to signing day.  It's hard to be patient, but let's not jump the gun too much (at least not until summer).

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Rational MFAN on 26 Mar 2012 - 8:15am #

I am sure you guys are going to get the guys you want. But, it is alot harder going down south and grabbing a quarterback from down south opposed to one in your own backyard. Plus, you have Braxton Miller for AT LEAST 2 more years! I do not think quarterback is a must in this class for you guys. Next year is when you really need an elite quarterback.

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bassplayer7770 on 26 Mar 2012 - 8:32am #

Braxton will be a Junior by the time any of these 2013 recruits take the field, and the staff would prefer to have 4 scholarship QBs on the roster, so I think it's clear we take at least one QB in this class.

As for those recruits waiting to see our team on the field, the Spring Game is coming soon.  Then there's Friday Night Lights this Summer.  There are a lot of kids committing early, but they still haven't signed a LOI, so anything can still happen.

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Northbrook on 26 Mar 2012 - 10:15am #

Alex, what about Hodges and Hosick, are they possibles too?

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ThirdLegLouie on 26 Mar 2012 - 10:41am #

@NorthBrook-

 

Sure, Hodges and Hosick are possibilities to land in the '13 class- I think right now, though, aside from JT Barrett, who has a 100% committable offer, the staff is looking to see a lot of these kids at a QB camp in the summer. If the staff likes what they see of Hodges or Hosick over the summer, then expect teh pressure to get turned up on them- but as it sits right now, there are other prospects higher on tOSU's board. 

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

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Run_Fido_Run on 26 Mar 2012 - 10:50am #

Get a grip, people. We have no idea whether Urbz wanted/wants, or ever would want, Zaire and/or several of the other guys who've committed to different schools over the last month.

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Bj Mullens over... on 26 Mar 2012 - 11:00am #

Atm, it looks like Aaron Bailey is looking between OSU, Illinois and NW, as long as there is no major desire to stay in state, I like our chances with him, and then JT Barrett is the other guy youd really like to see in this class.

Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens

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btalbert25 on 26 Mar 2012 - 11:03am #

Man o Man, so we're missing out on a couple of kids in March, big deal.  There are 10 months left and a lot of great recruits on the board who will be committing.  It's March!  The reason Urban had some much momentum when he came aboard is because time was short and he had to really go after what was left out there.  Kids had to commit quickly as well, as time in the recruiting season was running short and their senior seasons had ended or were coming to an end. 

When the camps start in the summer and the spring game has ended, we'll start picking off recruits again.  In the winter we'll finish with a fury and everyone will be saying OMG URBAN OWNS YOUR RECRUITS RAAARRRR.  So let's quite freaking out in March basically 10 months away from National Signign day, and save the energy for talking shit to Michigan, Notre Dame, and other fans when Urban has a top 3 class that is rated ahead of everyone else in the conference.

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hail2victors9 on 26 Mar 2012 - 12:34pm #

I think Run_Fido_Run makes the best point here.  For the last two months or so the biggest debate about Zaire was whether or not he had a committable offer to OSU.  There was a lot of confusion surrounding this.  To me, this means that Urban isn't really all that concerned with landing him.  While I snickered a little when I saw Zaire went elsewhere, none of us can say for sure whether he would've ended up in Columbus next February anyway.

Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler

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cesmit on 27 Mar 2012 - 4:11am #

Interesting quote from Zaire:

“Growing up here you’re definitely born to be an Ohio State fan,” Zaire told IrishIllustrated. “At the same time, I wanted to look at where I’d want to go to school without football. I could have gone to Ohio State, been a hometown hero and that would have been great. I had a great relationship with Coach Tressel. When Coach Meyer got there we had a good one-on-one relationship too. I don’t want to say I shied away, but I lost interest when they offered like seven or eight other quarterbacks in a one or two week span. That turned me off a little.”

He fails to mention the fact that he didn't have a commitable offer from tOSU.

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hodge on 27 Mar 2012 - 9:24am #

Oh well, I'd have liked to have seen a Kettering boy tearing it up out there.  Best of luck to him at ND (it pains me to type that, by the way), but I agree with Louie here, 40% accuracy es no bueno.

I'm sure a nice lil' commitment from Mr. JT Barrett will make us forget all about this. Onward and upward, Buckeyes!  

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bassplayer7770 on 27 Mar 2012 - 12:46pm #

I don't know, that kinda sounds like he shied away because he didn't want to compete for an OFFER.  Regardless, best of luck to Malik.

I don’t want to say I shied away, but I lost interest when they offered like seven or eight other quarterbacks in a one or two week span. That turned me off a little.

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hodge on 27 Mar 2012 - 1:52pm #

I'm betting it wasn't his hesitation toward competition, it was probably because he didn't feel that his offer (non-committable) and the related interest was truly genuine after Meyer fired off a handful of QB offers in one weekend.  Look at Dymonte, talented kids want to feel special--I'm not saying that Meyer's not good at that kind of thing (he rolls out the red carpet better than anyone, look at Spence), but sometimes it can backfire.  

Besides, if the kid's offer wasn't committable, you can't blame him for feeling like Kelly's committable offer to ND valued him more.

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bassplayer7770 on 27 Mar 2012 - 2:02pm #

The way I see it, the fact that he received an offer at all shows the staff's interest was genuine, and it seemed clear the staff wanted to see several recruits at camp for further evaluation.  Plus, they can't wait forever to send out offers and build relationships with all these kids.

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hodge on 27 Mar 2012 - 2:13pm #

Agreed, but I think it was Fickell that initially offered him.  I'm betting that Meyer was a bit more cautious with his approach toward committment.  I totally agree with you, but I still think that a committable offer versus a verbal offer demonstrate different levels of committment from the staff.  I mean, let's face it--I'm pretty sure that JT Barrett has held a committable offer since Meyer made contact with him, it shows that--at least at this moment--that Barett is a higher priority than Zaire is.  Now, if Zaire has an awesome camp, or dramatically improves his accuracy this season, we'll see renewed interest.  But, at this very moment--for whatever reason--Meyer wasn't as sold on him as he was on Barrett.

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Alex on 27 Mar 2012 - 2:16pm #

Obviously everyone left is a possibility but I think Barrett is target #1 out of state and Trubisky is target #1 in state

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