PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Actually I think hes supposed to announce even earlier, most likely during his UM visit
Favorite Buckeye: Obviously BJ Mullens
Yes mullens I believe is correct, may just announce earlier. Others are speculating someone else may commit as well, maybe Gedeon? What I found interesting is Gedeon mentioned in an interview that he does not have acommitable offer from you guys.
He may very well not, I think Urban wants Love and Smith, who probably at this point have the commitable offers.
It definitely appears as if you guys are going away from the prototypical big ten linebackers we are all used to seeing down there. Urban is emphasizing speed it seems, I am fine with not having to see an AJ Hawk or Laurinitis anymore. Should still work well with the solid D line, once we see tweeners in a 3 point stance then you guys should be worried lol.
Interesting that Gedeon doesn't have a commitable offer. It makes sense though as it seems we haven't really been going after him as hard as Love or Smith. I also think Anzalone has a commitable offer as well, which if we get him would be a very good LB class to compliment last years haul.
I guess I don't understand why Love is being pursued by OSU so aggressively. He wouldn't be in my top 5 of the guys on our board. There's also a reason I'm not a college coach so some things aren't for me to understand ha. Smith and Anzalone and I'm a happy camper
"Love my State, hate the football"
Smith just seems like a bit of a longer shot than ideal at this point. Plus he is the type of player that you just leave a spot open for even if you have already accepted commits from other players at his position. But because he isn't a lock you get some other solid players at his position. We do have so many other guys in the last class that it might be okay if we only go after big names and if we miss and don't end up with any it's not as big of a deal.
Regardless, I hope we didn't miss Gedeon because we weren't pushing that hard. If he picked ttun over us straight up then we'll have to deal with it, but if it related to us not trying that seems shortsighted.
At the end of the day Feb 2013 is a long ways away, so maybe we're all fretting for no reason because they are getting a bunch of commits this early.
And I quote Urban Meyer from the other day (where I shook his hand! He's a tall dude, btw): "We're not reaching for the low hanging fruit when it comes to recruiting".
There is a difference between low hanging fruit and a solid player that you pass up for the fruit at the top of the tree. If the high branch breaks before you reach it, then you're left with no fruit.
I'm going to trust the coach with the highest active winning percentage, two national championships, and plenty of bowl wins... and his scouting staff. Okay? I think they know what they're doing.
@RDUBS- tOSU just took 4 very solid LBs in the '12 class - Perry, Perkins, Williams, and Marcus. We have plenty of fruit.
Add to the the fact that tOSU is reportedly the team to beat for Anzalone, and I'm fine with where we're at.
If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target
Wow, just took a look a Anzalone's offer list . . . yeah, I'd be pretty happy if he land him.
@3rdLeg: I agree about our haul last year. (that is what I referenced in my earlier comment) That is why it appears that we don't care if we miss out on McCray or even Gedeon. We're going big. Smith (maybe Anzalone) or bust. Meyer and co. have a better concept of the roster than any of us, but if you only limit yourself to the top guys you may miss out on other solid guys and the top ones. This year we might be able to afford that at LB, but can't do this every year.
Smith and Anzalone. They'll take two LBs this year.
Anzalone isn't even in the rivals 250. Just shows you how they aren't always on top of things. Offer lists are the best indicator of a recruit IMHO.
"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again," said Meyer. "Do it a little harder next time."
I trust that a player is a top notch recruit when essentially every major college football program in the country has offered him. And regarding Love, just gotta trust the staff if their so high on him. Also think they will take Anzalone and Smith should Love commit
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Wolverine. Done. Over.
@recruitbuck: what does that mean exactly? "We're not reaching for the low hanging fruit when it comes to recruiting."
Because I definitely do not feel that Michigan is, granted it really does not matter where you are now it matters where you are in February. It just seems like that comment was aimed at other teams who may have had early success so far. And in no case do I believe we have settled on any recruits in our class. I cannot speak for other teams. Also, it is philosophy, Smith and Love seem like, "low hanging fruit" to the Michigan staff. While Mccray, Levenberry, Gedeon and O'daniel are the ones at the top of the tree. It can also be dangerous waiting for the ripened fruit. All I am saying is the "low hanging fruit" can be a program changer for someone like Penn State, MSU, Iowa, etc.
Love has some nice offers, too.. A USC offer in Ohio carries a lot of weight, IMO.
Urban knows what he is doing. PERIOD. He is getting the players that will be able to do the things he wants them to do on the field. Anyone remember 41-14 and the athletic plays those Florida players made play after play on the field? That was against the best team from the B1G in years. I want to have that kind of team...and we will. Be patient. scUM loves to get any Ohio guys available so it appears they are having their way. They will get the guys we pass on. Can't count Kalis and Dymonte as they were snatched prior to Urbans arrival. Let them get those guys, let them gloat, remember 41-14 as hard as that is to say.
That is funny..... all the guys such as Gedeon, Charlton, Mccray and I believe even Butt were all given offers prior to Urban being hired. Michigan does not just offer guys from Ohio to say we got guys from Ohio. Of the top 10 in Ohio, we have not offered I believe 5 of them. We offer guys that fit our system. For example a guy like Jaron Dukes, is a big body who will fit in our Pro Style offense. We needed him to hopefully compliment our true number 1 wide receiver, which I am hoping is Treadwell. We are looking at him to be our Jason Avant to Braylon Edwards.
What kind of FUNNY are you speaking of? Do you mean funny HaHa like a clown, or some other kind of funny? I am greatly offended by that. I am wearing a white shirt, by the way. FYI
I think it is comical and a bit ignorant to say we just recruit players out of Ohio to say, "look at us, we took this many players out of Ohio." The Michigan staff has proven that they will recruit this whole country for a kid that fits to what they want to do. Of course, we focus on our instate talent and then the midwest first. If you have not noticed we have taken a lot of talent from Illinois as well. Ohio is a hotbed for football recruiting and all the teams in the big ten and even MAC know this. Any coach with a brain would want to go in there and lure some of the players in that state to their program. But, the Michigan staff staff does not just go after guys to say we took a guy from Ohio. Case in point, 5 of the top 10 in Ohio that are highly regarded but do not have offers from us.
BTW if you were referring to Joe Peschi (sp?) from Goodfellas, that is the greatest movie line ever lol
@RATIONAL - You're exactly right, both our programs are offering the best guys to fit our system. I don't think what he said was really intended as a jab towards Michigan, but more of a reason why we're not having the early success you guys are. You're getting ahead early, putting your foot in the door for a lot of Ohio recruits who would have been shoo-ins under the Tressel regime. In my opinion, Meyer's slow-playing these kids (since they really don't fit his system, and he wants to see them in camp) has led a lot of them to realize that while they may have dreamed of being the next AJ Hawk, we're not looking for that anymore. I think these kids are realizing that Michigan is moving towards the style we used to play, as we move less towards bulk and more towards speed and lean muscle--these kids understand that Michigan's quickly rising back into the cream of the conference (all I'll say is wait till we're allowed back in postseason play haha). More than anything else, these early recruits are a testament to a recruiting prowess that frankly I didn't think Hoke had.
But I think he certainly meant his "low hanging fruit" comment about most of the rest of the Big Ten. Too many teams go for a few "signature" prospects, and pad the rest of their rosters with 3 star guys, I can take off the scarlet and gray sunglasses long enough to realize that Hoke doesn't do that. Meyer hasn't offered a lot of in-state kids (only the best), and is playing the slow-burn recruiting game that the bigtime prospects want to play, I think that sums up his strategy in itself.
Also, ttun gets about 10 more recruits than we do so they have the luxury of taking more recruits at this time. With tOSU only getting 15 recruits for 2013, Meyer must be more selective.
A few points regarding recruiting for michigan and OSU:
1) Hoke's Ohio strategy is pretty clear at this point. Identify the best players that fit his system that don't have an OSU offer yet and get in on them early. This was first evident with Dymonte Thomas who absolutely was going to get an offer (and finally did as soon as Urban came in). We also see it now with McCray and Gedeon who apparently said his OSU offer was not commitable. Hoke shows them the love, and if they have any hurt feelings about being disrespected, michigan is there waiting for them.
2) The above strategy seems intended to achieve two goals for michigan. Obviously, it secures good players for michigan, but it also is meant to put pressure on OSU to make offers to --and accept commitments from-- Ohio prospects that are lower on the big board than some more highly prized OOS prospects. In short, recruiting is a high-wire act, keeping the plan B guys happy while you pursue your plan A guys, and Hoke is trying to take away the safety net.
3) Finally, though the ultimate effectiveness of Hoke's strategy won't be seen until LOID (and really won't be known until a couple years down the road), this strategy has a chance to be effective now because of the loss of scholarships. Urban has to be just a little more selective with offers than Hoke, and Hoke knows it.
@Hodge : I think you hit the nail right on the head, and I know me and you have made note of this before. We simply are not recruiting the same players anymore. I think we may only be battling for the same defensive backs, some offensive lineman, if you guys are interested in a power back one year we may go head to head with that. We may even battle against some of the wide receivers. But, the recruiting wars will just not be there like they used to be. At least until we both have coaches with similar philosophies.
It is funny you mention the prowess in recruiting about Hoke. I never thought he had it either, I was actually pissed off the day I found out Hoke was hired and I bet a lot of fans in Ohio and all over big ten country probably laughed. It was not about his losing record going in that turned me off, it was simply the fact that I did not believe he would be able to recruit. Boy, he sure had me fooled. He won a lot of people over with the press conference, not me....I needed to see if he can recruit first and I believe it is safe to say that he can.
@Rational--"All I am saying is the "low hanging fruit" can be a program changer for someone like Penn State, MSU, Iowa, etc." - No doubt and IF this was a board for PSU, MSU, Iowa, etc, and we were fans of PSU, MSU, Iowa, etc. we would adjust our evaluations and expectations accordingly.
Also, in regards to " all the guys such as Gedeon, Charlton, Mccray and I believe even Butt were all given offers prior to Urban being hired." The bottom line is Gedeon was offered when he visited at the end of January for Junior day but NONE of the other players were offered or would have been offered for '13 class. Our rival's biggest "gets" from Ohio in this '13 class (except Dymonte) were kids that were not even Plan B kids for tOSU.
You are absolutely right and it all goes back to coaching philosophy just like Hodge made note of. Some of the guys you are going after as your plan A are not even on our recruiting board. That is why I said the recruiting battles will become limited for the time being.
@TLL -- According to Gedeon his offer was not commitable which I'd say made him a plan B guy. We had to miss out on a lot of guys before McCray was offered, but he might have been offered eventually. Agree that Butt and Taco were not getting offers.
I get the point that, given the two different Offensive schemes between OSU and our rival, that the notion that we're not going after the same kids has some validity. But you're still going to get PLENTY of overlap at the skill spots and on the OL- elite talent is elite talent. And defensively, there should be a lot of similarities in the kids we're going after. The fact that Mattison was Urban's DC is evidence that similarities will exist. However, the OSU is just aiming at better rated propsects. Our rival was content to take Taco Charlton as a strong-side DE ( a lot of which had to do with him being an Ohio kid, right in OSU's backyard, IMO) and tOSU is looking at kids like Joey Bosa and DeMarcus Walker for strong-side DE.
Urban said that when someone asked about his recruiting strategy compared to other schools (I was in attendence, see other thread). TSUN taking a bunch of 4*s without OSU offers is what he was alluding to. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Urban is good at playing "the hat game" with 5*s and higher ranked 4*s than Butt, Charlton, and McCray.
That awkward moment when your rational guessing is incorrect. http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Recruit/Offers
and what I am saying @recruitbuck is we are fine with taking those guys who are highly regarded that Urban does not want. Not sure how much higher it gets than a higher ranked 4 star than Mccray. I will take 15 rivals 250 players all day long, because even though they may not be always accurate the likelihood of them succeeding is pretty good. You are making it seem like Urban is going to take all 5 stars and the 4 stars that you guys take are better 4 stars than ours lol. That is what you basically just said. If that is the case, Urban is going to put the greatest class in recruiting history together. Makes sense with what you are saying though, since the rumor from his days at Florida are that he recruits off of Rivals anyways. So, maybe he only wants the rivals top 50.
Also, not sure what you were trying to say with providing the link. Were you showing we are going after the same players still? Because if that is the case a lot of the guys we are pursuing heavy are referred to as "cool" or "none." The only exceptions are Poggi, Dorian O'daniel (which is off because there was an interview yesterday and he did not even mention you guys)
Yes, because it's true. He's going after gold, not silver. He had one of the highest ranked recruiting classes of ALL TIME at Florida. When this class ends up ranked higher than TSUN's, you'll admit that you were wrong, right?
There's a wide range for 4*s out there. "Low hanging fruit" describes what TSUN has been taking, minus Morris, Fox, and LTT. Even Dymonte said he committed simply because they were the ones showing him the most love early. Ohio State is in for the long run.
My link was to show you that you were wrong again about your guessing that McCray "and even Butt" had offers at some point. Please do your research before you post.
I do not care about Rivals rankings! I really do not care for anyone's rankings, I never will. The only championship I care about is the Big Ten Championship and hopefully a national championship. You will never see me come on here and brag about a National Recruiting Championship or a higher ranking than you guys. May I bring it up to a settle a debate? Maybe, but I will never brag about it. Trust me I learned after Kelly Baraka, a recruiting class's worth does not hold any merit till they all have passed through your program. Also, Mike Farrel's opinion or these other so called "recruiting gurus" opinions is not the end all be all. It is a crapshoot ranking high school players after the top 20 or so.
According to Rivals LTT is 108. Guess that makes him "low hanging fruit."
Bosch Is 67.....low hanging fruit
Fox is 48.........low hanging fruit
Kugler 54.........low hanging fruit
Dymonte Thomas I believe is in the 70 Range........not a low hanging fruit because he has an offer from you guys.
I hate bringing up rankings but the logic makes no sense. That is why I said we are not going after the same types of players.
Well the high interest was definitely there since both of those guys were at games last year. Maybe they were not given formal offers but interest was there. The interest did not just pick up once Urban Meyer came to columbus. Mccray was with Dymonte Thomas at the Notre Dame game.
You misunderstood what I said, I said they had offers from Michigan before Urban Meyer got to Columbus. Proving to some of the people on top that said we recruit Ohio to just say we are recruiting well there. Or that we are trying to prove that we are taking recruits from Urban Meyer. I doubt Brady Hoke cares who Meyer is going after. Brady goes after what he wants and what fits for Michigan. It is actually Urban Meyer who used to offer kids that Nick Saban did while he was at Florida. I do not care if a guy has an offer from you guys. It does not make him a legitimate recruit. If the coaches like him that is enough for me.
AHHH Saturday your 10:17am post was very much spot on. And for someone not concerned about recruiting rankings someone here is obviously really concerned about recruiting rankings.
I was just using that as a source to make a point how it makes no sense what recruitbuck was saying. Just know, if you guys have any 3 stars I am going to give you crap about that lol. Because @Recruitbuck said you guys are going digging for gold and apparently gold only applies to the top 30 recruits on rivals.
FWIW I do not think all fans down there have the same mentality, there are fans who know that some 3 stars can be very valuable to your team and not what Mike Farrel believes is always true. He actually is far from being always true. Like Hodge said, those guys we took would be sure lock tressel prospects. That same recruits that would of been sure lock prospects for Tressel are simply not good enough to play down there according to what Recruitbuck is saying. I think SOME of you on here are really underestimating what Tressel did and are expecting more from Meyer.. I simply do not see it, more so because the big ten is better and simply Michigan is better. Urban Meyer will not beat Michigan 7 out of 8 times. If he does, I will swear my allegiance to you guys lol.
...can I get that in writing rational?
Rivals doesn't rank players as to how well they fit Urban's system. Urban could look at an OL at 37 in the country and think he is too fat for what we are looking for. Look no further than Mallet in richrods offense to see just going with the highest ranked player won't get the job done. Look at a guy like Jamal Marcus who is ideal for what we want but was only a 3*.
Rational, you are never going to win a pissing contest here.
Urban meyer doesn't save spots for recruits, recruits save spots for Urban Meyer. If he wants them, he gets them. All he has to do is whisper in their ears. I mean, who doesn't want to play for the man who is about to reel off 3-5 consecutive national titles?
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
Hodge you sure can lol I think me and you are on the same page here and understand the differences in the two programs right now.
@statutory: Im with you man, like I said we are looking for something different. I just had a problem with recruitbuck saying the four stars you are going to get are better than ours. Or that your whole class was going to contain 5 and 4 stars that are going to be better than ours. Like I said up top it is a crapshoot trying to rank players.
I agree, most of the scouting services rank players based on how they fit pro style offenses.
3-5 consecutive? Far too conservative, he will match the SEC 6-title game win streak BY HIMSELF.
BuckeyeJim also makes a good point--your class will be bigger, correct? If we weren't aiming for only ~20 guys, we might have more early commits. Regardless, Hoke's doing a fantastic job--in general though, we're just going after different guys. Kind of like why Tress "locked Ohio down" against RichRod, Michigan still got a bunch of players (I think that supposed myth that RichRod didn't recruit Ohio was disspelled on Mgoblog) from the state, they just generally weren't who we were after, and Tressel would win on any big recruits both states were going after. But, if RichRod goes 11-2 last year, you can bet your top dollar he'd make Jalin Marshall and Shelton Gibson take some long looks up in Ann Arbor.
I could only imagine what any of us, fellow Buckeye fans, would encounter going to a scUM board pushing info about OSU as you are your stuff here. If you think this is a pissing contest think again. Coming here and saying things like Meyer recruits by Rivals (rankings), and that he offered kids at Florida only because Saban did will cause folks to be ruffled a bit. Comes with this territory.
I was not pushing anything I was simply replying to the fact that Recruitbuck said our recruiting class is a bunch of guys who are considered, "low hanging fruit." Just because Urban Meyer considers that garbage does not mean it is the truth or it cannot be turned into someone else's treasure. Also, "all that glitters is not gold." I am sure both fan bases can relate to that analogy.
No one said that those players were "garbage". That is your term. He basically was saying they were not the top players at their position in the Urbanators eyes. And he was going after the cream of the crop. TTUN will be able to do nicely with the recruits they get, I am certain.
He just committed to Michigan, good get by them. Also Rational MFAN I am really getting tired of your posts. Everyday I have to get on here and read paragraph after paragraph about how people on this site or OSU fans are not being "logical" or things we are saying "do not make sense". Can you please explain to me the satisfaction you get by posting here and arguing with OSU fans on an OSU blog site?
Hey if I am not wanted here all you guys have to do is tell me lol you are not going to hurt my feelings. I am not coming on here to stroke your egos or even throw our success in your face. It is debating, discussion whatever you want to call it. I did not come on here and attack anyone or call anyone names. At the same time, when someone says things that are absurd or simply not true, I am going to call him out on it.
I said this before, I enjoy talking to fans from down there. This is the best damn rivalry in sports and one saturday in November is not enough for me, excuse me for wanting a little more. If I was on here calling people names and things of that sort, I would see why people would get upset. But, why is that people can say we are taking left overs from Ohio and I cannot defend that.
I will take a little break from here, I got you PHX Buck. Go lather yourself up with some of that homemade butter.
@Rational, you are definitely welcome here. I think most of the posters agree, it's nice getting the "other side" and whether we agree with you or not, it's nice hearing the other's points of view (and as you know that's not always the case on the other "sites"). I guess I'm a little biased since my little brother is a scUM fan (my mother dropped him on his head, what else can explain that, j/k) so our heated debates are often ended with me leveling my "big brother" mentality that makes him shut up (plus I outweigh him by about 60 pds and the military training scares him, haha). Please keep up the posts and remember you can't make everyone happy. And to add something else, believe me there are DEFINITELY scUM fans who come here and are looking for a "fight" but I've never gotten that feeling reading many of your posts and even *debating* some of the points in them.
First off, I am in full support of Rational and most of the other fans of TTUN that post on here. I like hearing a different point of view. As for the "low hanging fruit" thought... Urban Meyer and Jabba are after different types of fruit. Low hanging fruit to Urban Meyer could be poisonous to Jabba and vise versa.
Good get for those guys up north in McCray, he didn't fit the mold UM wanted, so good for them.
"Michigan and "huge mistake" are synonymous"
Jason, there are people on both sides of the fence that ruin it for a lot of people. I been down to Columbus many times for Michigan games and never once did I have a problem down there. You get the small stuff, but you expect that. My best friend is a Buckeye fan and we had a great day last October where we went to the Michigan/Purdue game and then drove to Columbus for the night game against Wisconsin. That was my first night game down there and it was special, I had a great time down there and was still wearing my Michigan stuff and people were great. You get the teasing that goes both ways but that is what makes this so damn fun.
As a matter of fact, he asked me earlier this week to go down to the spring game with him. So I may be coming down there for that. I actually would like to meet Urban Meyer again and perhaps talk offense with him and his coordinators like I did when he was at Florida. Sitting down with him and Dan Mullen was very nice and like I mentioned earlier picked up a lot of things that helped me with my football team up here.
I'm okay with the Michigan fans so long as they don't call us Ohio and are respectful of the fact that this is a site of Ohio State fans. We don't want to see Michigan fans trolling or dedicating each post to starting arguments. I, like many here, enjoy the perspective of fans outside of Ohio State and like to participate in thoughtful debate with the well educated Michigan fan (i used to think that was an oxymoron). Rational and M Man both seem to be good members, but I've read a couple posts of Hails that irritated me. Hopefully those are just coincidence and he is bringing productive thought.
I want the OSU-Michigan rivalry to be great. It just wasn't fun and no one outside of the Big Ten cared when Ohio State was matching up against an unranked Michigan team. I hope we win every year, but I hope that Michigan can return to being a prominent team. It appears they are on their way and this rivalry is set up to be spectacular again.
To quote Rodney King:
"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?"
"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?"
But seriously folks, there's nothing wrong with the other side's perspective. It seems like a lot of other people here dig on it, too. These guys all understand they're in hostile waters, and their debate has been respectful. Who cares what they call us, it's not like we don't have a thousand different names for the University of Michigan Wolverines.
Not to mention, it's always been my opinion that our cute little nicknames for each other are cursory; the only statement that matters is on the field. The ultimate comback is still, "SCOREBOARD."
Good answer Rational, I respect where you are coming from. The only point I was trying to make is I don't expect to expect to go on marxist.com to discuss the importance of capitalism and then get amazed of the comments I get back, thats all.
For me, I welcome the Michigan people here. If they're here to just discuss football; life; women, I'm cool with it. ;-) Both schools share the greatest rivalry on the planet. I think there should be a fine divide between hating and respecting. I think both schools respect each other deep down but also carry hatred and resentment towards each other. I just hate it when people from both sides start acting like knuckleheads which leads nowhere.
I have no problem with Michigan guys/girls who post here. Even one of the Michigan guy (rational?) said he couldn't stand his own fan base sometimes. I think we all should lend respect to outsiders until they've proven they don't deserve it. I like a differing POV as long as things can remain civil and respectful from both sides.
And BTW UM, congrats on the pickup with McCray. I'm sure he'll be a helluva player for you guys.
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