Tom Herman talks OSU offense and chomping at the bit to get going. Great stuff. Fired up. Props to Cleveland.com.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2012/03/ohio_states_new_offensive_coor.html
PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
•Football Schedule•Basketball Schedule•Forum•About•ContactTom Herman talks OSU offense and chomping at the bit to get going. Great stuff. Fired up. Props to Cleveland.com.
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2012/03/ohio_states_new_offensive_coor.html
Great story, I am ready for some college foozball!
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"no-huddle, up-tempo" Yikes this is going to have a different feel to it. And by yikes, I mean hell yes.
Digging on the no-huddle/up-tempo style, but I have to admit I'm a little concerned that it won't allow for our Silver Bullets to get a lot of rest betwixt series. Perhaps this is going to be addressed in Marotti's conditioning (makes sense, he's trying to get leaner, faster bodies), or maybe I'm just too used to Tresselball?
Or perhaps the theme of this offeseason should be Doctor Buckeye: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Spread
I'm sure the conditioning will address some of those issues, and I think I also recall Coach Meyer saying there would be significant rotation on the D Line.
I'm excited to see the new Offense in action.
No-huddle doesn't mean short possessions. Anyone who has seen Peyton Manning's offense can attest to this. They rarely huddled and yet he would run the play clock down near 0 almost every snap. Not saying this is what we will do, but no-huddle doesn't mean the Oregon "Blur" offense. Also, if our D only plays 3 snaps at a time they shouldn't get too tired...
Also I am just excited that this should end most of the ridiculous delay of game penalties when we can't get the play in on time. Bollman must have the worst drawl ever if it took 30 seconds for him to get the word "Dave" out.
You've all heard about last year's resurrgence on defense at Michigan. What you (at least I) didn't hear anything about, is the offense moving from a RR spread to a Borges pro style hybrid having an effect on it. The average scoring drive two seasons ago was under 2 min long. I think we averaged around 33 ppg (at least 5 scores). The average 3 and out you'd have to figure is 3 min or less of game time...throw in a very poor turnover margin. What does that add up to? Defense on the field A LOT, which makes for a very tired defense, which leads to a very bad defense. This year, our average drive was 6-8 min and we averaged more ppg and our defense was in the top quarter in most categories, nationally.
Not saying that Urban's conditioning plan won't produce a bunch of warriors and that the rotation will spell the fatigue. I'm just saying, IMO, I think that Michigan's defense (almost all the same guys) would have been a lot better, as a unit, two years ago, if they didn't run the spread. Now, if OSU's defense is a top 30 defense like normal, then it's probably a non-issue. And, of course, number of running vs passing plays and plays that go for a first down, and coaching would show different results.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
I understand the comparison to the shorter michigan possessions but the players on your defense were also pretty bad except for a couple (Graham comes to mind). I have a feeling we'll be having the most talented defense in the conference for the next few years (with m*ch being the only team coming close).
@ Hail, that does a lot in explaining some of the failures of Mich's D and the turn around in Hoke's first year. However, RR's defenses were bad in general and playing tired only took them from bad to atrocious. IMHO, they'd still have given up a lot of yardage and points had the offense's TOP been greater.
@ Hodge, re: tired defense. We've got a hell of a lot of bodies on that D-line. We can rotate the shit out of the line if need be, which is nice.
Taquitos.
@Hail I don't think Michigan's defense experienced the resurgence you are talking about. Giving up 34 points to an abysmal Ohio State offense is nothing to be proud of. Yes, much better than the previous year but still suspect. Furthermore, OSU usually rank in the top 5-10 range nationally, not top 30.
As a side note, Michigan hasn't competeted for a national title in the modern era. This must be hard for you to handle.
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This may be why we need 12 DL that are studs. We are gonna need fresh guys in their all game to relentlessly pursue.
@fail
I'm doing just fine. I think we were pretty darn close (a shawn crable hit out of bounds on troy smith away) to playing for a national title.
If you look at just The Game, then yes, you are right. But some games are just shootouts and some are defensive struggles. I think that moving up a 70-100 spots in all defensive categories is a good sign.
@seth
Defenses still may have been bad, but it was basically the same group of guys the last two years
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
the main difference between michigan's defense this year and last was turnovers. you all forced a lot more turnovers this year and while it is an important aspect of defense, a lot of those (fumbles) are just luckier bounces of the ball. Hoke will improve the defense so that you don't need to rely so much on turnovers to prevent the other team from scoring.
also the spread has nothing to do with time of possession. the main reason your scoring drives were so short was a result of a big run by denard. if you had a slower qb and still had a solid offense otherwise you would have slowed down your scoring. denard ran a lot less this year and you had a running game that relied on Fitz a lot more who was less like to break huge runs but could still move the ball.
Im fierd up to see the Buckeye offense and could care less about the defense up north this year, last year or any of the previous years.
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Didn't mean for this to be a dissection of our defense. I just wanted to point out that IMO different offensive tendencies have an effect on the defense.
@Rdubs
I guess I should've inserted "no huddle" spread? Turnovers definitely helped the defense, but that wasn't the main difference. Making tackles, staying in proper coverage, a good third down percentage, a great red zone percentage, and a belief that they didn't suck all contributed, as well.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
@hailtovictors
You had a good team that year, for sure, but you were a lot more than a Crable hit out of bounds away. Our center gifted you two short fields off of bad snaps. I was at the game and it didn't feel nearly as close as the final score indicated.
It was a great game, but I've never had any doubt how a rematch would turn out.
BTW, I also think that OSU team AND that Michigan team were both better than Florida, Urban's 41-14 bashing not withstanding. That was the wrong day, wrong time, wrong attitude for OSU on a day where Florida was well coached, ready, and Chris Leak was more accurate than his usual. Kills me that what was in my mind a great Big Ten year started the SEC hype-train I have to listen to now days.
I'm looking forward to this team. People should be cautious about associating up-tempo and a spread offense with meaning short time of possession. Certainly it is a danger, but the two terms do not mean short possession by default- the base of the offense is still power running.
Besides, Urban is aware- hence the massive number of talented D linemen. That's where Richrod went wrong. In the Big East it was fine to have a mediocre defense and a killer offense. In the Big ten you have to have both and he never recruited the right horses or played the right scheme. And also there are worlds of difference between what Herman is talking about and richrod's offense.
Time of possession is the most overrated stat in football.
Thanks everyone, I'm feeling better now. I'm gonna dig on the D-line rotation: my Bengals rocked that to supreme effect this last season. Guess I was just a little shocked, but I didn't really study Florida's offense, I never really equated their play being akin to Oregon's "blur" offense.
Though it is true that Meyer's spreads run power, Oregon thrives on zone reads almost exclusively.
@CONROY - Time of posession may be overrated, but I'm pretty sure that Oregon absolutely hated us in the Rose Bowl. I believe they defined "Tresselball" as "Clock Nazi."
@HAIL - I wouldn't care too much about giving up 35 points to our terrible offense, people fail to realize that Bollman actually opened up his playbook for that game (which I don't think anyone expected), not to mention that performance in rivalries are often not indicative of a team's overall ability. Mattison is a beast, and nothing discounts his ability. Now, if you'd given up 34 to Purdue...
You don't know how much it pains me to admit that they were our closest equivalent last year, at least during the Big Ten season.
@Hodge
Mattison took responsibilty for the aerial attack on our secondary from you guys. Not that I can really blame a guy for devoting a game plan to stopping the run against an offense that only had 100 completions (or whatever it was) all season. We thought that Braxton was on a leash when, in fact, he was unleashed in a big way. So if we weren't a Crable late hit away from playing for it all in '06, does that mean OSU wasn't a Posey TD reception (any of the 3 that Braxton overthrew him) away from beating Michigan for the 8th consecutive year? IMO, we could've easily lost or had 1:30 to produce a score.
Time of posession can be misleading. I'm not going to look up the stats, but I'm willing to bet that OSU controlled TOP against Florida in the bowl game this year. Either way, the longer the offense posesses the ball, the better rested the defensive players are.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
@HAIL - Dude, I feel you on the shoulda/coulda/woulda's, bottom line is that we lost. I'd make a clever remark here about Denard throwing a jump ball with 90 seconds left, but he did just that against Notre Dame and won the game (that still boggles my mind, by the way, I just stared at the TV and laughed).
But yeah, I agree on Mattison not being prepared for the gameplan--everyone here hoped that Bollman would let Miller play like that all freaking year. And sure as Hell, though we almost beat you guys, we went right back to Dave against Florida--big suprise as to why we lost, right?
It would have been interesting if you'd have beaten us in '06. Though I think we might have had a slightly better shot at a rematch--only because of a pretty convincing win over then #2 Texas in Austin, and even with Michigan as #2 we were a consensus #1--it would have been interesting to see Urban coaching against Carr in the championship--especially when you consider how Carr would fare a year later against him.
Hail: Did Mattison also take responsibility for not adequately game-planning against V Tech's mediocre passing attack in the Sugar Bowl?
Reality is that Michigan was a pretty good team, which ordinarily would have gone something like 8-4, but benefited from a soft schedule during a down year in the B1G.
I expect Michigan to keep getting better to the point that they won't need all the stars to line up to make it to a secondary BCS bowl. But, in the future, not likely to be many more seasons as forgiving as last year . . .
@Run
The question is did Beamer take responsibility for all of his coaching blunders in the Sugar Bowl? We definitely escaped with one.
@Hodge
I was pulling for a rematch. Was okay with it until the Alabama/LSU rematch happened this year. Still one of the best editions of The Game ever, if not the best (even if we came up short).
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Ugh. The no huddle. Hope we aren't going to speed it up all the way like Oregon, Auburn, Northwestern, Michigan under RR, and all those other teams with 2 minute drives (scoring or not) that help keep their own defenses tired. Occasional no huddle is fine. I'm skeptical of the constant up-tempo stuff, which seems to hurt the defense as much as it helps the offense. I'm hoping for a more measured pace for the offense; speed during the play but not necessarily between, and time to rest for the defense.
Basically, I don't want Ohio State winning games 49-35 like Oregon et al. do. It's not real football, and it's not a recipe for success in the B1G.
The North remembers.
@HAIL - Undoubtedly. I remember going down to campus and hanging out in the crowd for ESPN gameday...still the most electric atmosphere I've experienced.
Don't worry about the "up tempo" and the "no huddle" talk. I remember Urbz talking about what he saw our offense being with Dom Tiberi and he corrected Dom on his characterization of the new offense being ANYTHING like Oregon in that respect. You can play "up tempo" and "no huddle" and still control the clock. As someone else stated, look at Peyton Manning and the Colts the past few years.
This came up in an mgoblog 'mailbag' in 2010. Brian didn't buy my argument.
I clicked on it... I regretted it immediately...