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RecruitBuck on 28 Feb 2012 - 6:38pm #

If you follow the Big Ten Blog from ESPN on Twitter you'd see the clarification on the story. I would c&p, but I'm on my phone.

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Scott on 28 Feb 2012 - 7:16pm #

I've always liked Rittenberg and find him to be fair to all the B1G universities. I don't think there is anything wrong with the article.

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rdubs on 28 Feb 2012 - 7:33pm #

When something like 90% of players are black and 10% of coaches are black, there is a pretty clear disconnect in the coaching system.  I have no problem with any article shining a light on this issue.  Although it is not just a B1G issue, we are at one snapshot in time that is not too kind to our conference in this regard. 

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William on 28 Feb 2012 - 7:57pm #

This is an absolute joke. The university's have the right to hire whoever they want. To grade them on their coaching searches and whether or not they included minorities in their search is utterly stupid. As it is to claim that the B1G is behind in the integration of football. We had scholarship minority players in the 1940s. Also just because more people of a certain ethnicity play a sport, it doesn't mean they should be putting out more top flight coaches. Look at the EPL, there are more American youths playing soccer than any other nationality, why is that we don't have any American managers in the EPL, Serie A, or La Liga? 

edit: Also how is this a problem? If you're qualified for the job you'll get it..

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TheHumbleBuckeye on 28 Feb 2012 - 7:57pm #

I hate articles like this. Arguing that blacks don't have equal opportunity when it comes to coaching is like arguing that whites don't have equal opportunity when it comes to earning a football scholarship. Perhaps 40 (hell, even 20) years ago there may have been some institutionalized racism with some of the "old guard" still occupying BoT positions at major universities, but I just don't buy it in this day and age. Not when we have a black president who was elected by a comfortable margin.

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TheHumbleBuckeye on 28 Feb 2012 - 8:02pm #

Also, considering that B1G schools have always been EXTREMELY progressive (some could say, TOO progressive at times) when it has come to affirmative action and creating opportunities for minorities (Gratz v. Bollinger, anyone?), I'd say this article is nothing but ESPiN sanctioned Big Ten smearing.

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highwire on 28 Feb 2012 - 8:22pm #

I do not follow Twitter, therefore I have not read the clarification. Still, I can say that I am approximately 95% positive that an article of similar nature would not be posted about, oh, maybe the SEC. I also feel that I should state that I am not one to become overly concerned with the supposed ESPN bias towards tOSU. I thought it would be obvious that the best fit for any position should be the candidate hired. I do not see why race or anything else not directly related to the position should be a factor. It is this type of thinking that will lead to people inevitably grouping themselves based off of minor differences that truly don't matter.

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RecruitBuck on 28 Feb 2012 - 8:34pm #

As a commenter posted, 12.4% of Americans are black. 12.5% of FBS coaches are black. That's pretty okay with most of America.

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TLB on 28 Feb 2012 - 8:47pm #

it's not like the mighty SEC is loaded with black coaches.  They only have 2, one at Vandy and one at UK.  Article is just another example of the 4letter bias towards the B1G as we move towards taking the games off their network and over to FOX. 

Come back to us with this nonsense when there a black coach at Alabama and Auburn.

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Poison nuts on 28 Feb 2012 - 9:00pm #

Seems like they are reaching a bit for something to write about here. I think you hire the person with the best credentials for the job regardless of race. I have a hard time believing any school in the B1G is discriminating against against coaching candidates over their race. If there was a guy out there that is best for that institution - he would be hired regardless of his race. Not to say that racism is gone, because its not gone...I just truly believe schools want to win badly enough that they wouldn't let skin color play a part in the decision.

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RecruitBuck on 28 Feb 2012 - 9:01pm #

You know it's the off season when...

And it's not like they can write about recruiting, they're clueless on the subject.

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george_buck on 28 Feb 2012 - 10:01pm #

Can we please stop saying, "Well, we elected a Black president so race can't be an issue anymore".   

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TheHumbleBuckeye on 28 Feb 2012 - 10:12pm #

@george_buck... my comment was in regards to "institutionalized racism". Of course race will always be an issue. Hell, as a matter of preference, some people will choose partners on the basis of race. Hence, race will always be an issue on matters of individual preferences and judgments. That does not mean "institutionalized racism" is an issue. It is not. It has all but disappeared from our country. The longer people cry about its apocryphal lingering existence, the longer race remains an issue.

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Scott on 28 Feb 2012 - 10:22pm #

@Rdubs: Agreed.

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george_buck on 28 Feb 2012 - 10:24pm #
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Nick on 28 Feb 2012 - 10:52pm #

Diversity should not have a quota. Best man wins (yes girls can't be major college football head coaches, sorry)

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William on 28 Feb 2012 - 11:26pm #

@george_buck Don't name your child lakisha and you wouldn't have that problem. As a poster stated above, the American population is compromised of around 12.4% African-Americans, and African-Americans make up around 12.5% of FBS coaches. That seems like a pretty equitable ratio.

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otrain2416 on 29 Feb 2012 - 12:41am #

A black AD Gene Smith hired a white coach Urban Meyer must be racist that article is a joke best person should be hired for the job period

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thaPriNcE614 on 29 Feb 2012 - 2:31am #

i dont see a big deal, people make a big deal about race for nothing, they don't mention the fact how many black coaches are on staffs across the NCAA. If a minority coach steps up and is a good coach he gets recognized regardless

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BlazeTheBuckeye on 29 Feb 2012 - 9:37am #

As an African American I have to ask a question how many black coaches are applying for these jobs? It seems to me that a lot of black coaches shoot for nfl jobs..., but maybe that's because they feel it's more opportunity in the NFL who knows? In sports Im colorblind sports have broken so many color barriers.... As far as obama being elected so as a nation that means there is not racism <----that's trash but this is 11w not CNN and in here if your a buckeye then your family I've never been showed anything but love at the horseshoe

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Rooster Buckburn Mod on 29 Feb 2012 - 10:20am #

hmmm - how about we judge people on the content of their character instead of the color of their skin? Articles like this do the opposite.  Filling color 'quota's' is as stupid as it is racist.

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hodge on 29 Feb 2012 - 11:11am #

If Jim Tressel or Urban Meyer were black, there's no doubt in my mind that they would have been hired.  Coaching jobs go to the best candidate, period.  It's not like the Big Ten is some exclusive country club, the fact that two of our biggest programs have Hispanic and Black athletic directors (Alvarez and Smith, respectively) should stand as creedence.

Furthermore, the idea of "race," is a flawed concept if you believe in the "Out of Africa" model.  There's one species of Human currently existing on this earth.  We have genetic variability and predispositions based on geographical spread, but the idea that we're all different "races" is incorrect from an anthropological standpoint.  Should we be getting worked up at the lack of blondes coaching, or the lack of green-eyed coaches?  

I understand that skin color has been a basis of discrimination for a long time, but from every scenario dsecribed I don't believe that--at the time of the hire--a compratively weaker White coach was hired in favor of stronger Black candidate (save for Charlie Strong, but neither had any real head coaching experience), I'm also assuming here that there's no way Kevin Sumlin picks Illinois over Texas A&M, even if offered--I'd assume the B.O.T. had to know that those programs are not on equal footing.

Not to mention the fact that Marvin Lewis, Tony Dungy, Romeo Crenel, Mike Tomlin, Lovie Smith, and Leslie Frazier could have their pick of the litter in college football.  Pretty sure Singletary could score a mid-level program if he wanted to.  

Also, you have to think that whenever Meyer leaves Columbus, though Fickell will be a favourite  for succession, they're going to look very long and hard at one Darrell Hazell, provided he's had a successful career and moved up from Kent State. 

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Denny on 29 Feb 2012 - 11:36am #

Smh so much at pretty much everything, but most of all people who think this article (however valid it may or may not be) is the result of some sort of ESPN bias against the B1G. Stop it.

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Remington2323 on 29 Feb 2012 - 11:35am #

This article is ridiculous. The best man for the job should good the job. Not if you are black or jewish.

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hodge on 29 Feb 2012 - 11:42am #

Agreed, Denny.

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btalbert25 on 29 Feb 2012 - 12:02pm #

This topic makes my head hurt.  The population of players in DI is more than half black.  I'd also say at the BCS level it's closer to 75 percent, but I have no numbers to back that up.  So, with this majority people don't see a problem with roughly 12.5 percent of the head coaches also being black? 

Institutional racism/sexism will always exist because people in power are human.  There are all types in charge of businesses, politics, churches, and universities.  Some are progressive and realize that the dumb stereotypes of the past are just a bunch of hogwash, and others will cling to ridiculous ideas about what blacks, women, muslims, homosexuals, asians, etc can or can't do. 

Laws can be passed, rules can be changed, the people can be ridiculed, and we'll still have some Ignorant A-holes in place in positions of power that will allow their simple minded stereotypes to dictate how they lead their business, church, office, or school. 

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hodge on 29 Feb 2012 - 12:28pm #

It's not that I don't see a problem with it, but how many black coaches are there in college football?  Look at OSU's coaching staff, 2 Black coaches for 6 White ones.  Let's say that we get Heater (longshot, I know) or Zook to coach the secondary--that leaves you with a 7-2 split for the staff.  That equates to 22%, and it drops to 20% if you count Meyer.  I'm all for abolishing racism, and if universities aren't giving Black coaches opportunities, we have a serious issue here.  One that I will fight with every breath in my body.  But personally I see it as a reflection of coaching staffs as a whole.  When the majority of coaches overall are white, the majority of head coaches will be white, in turn.  Now, if you break it down to an assistant level, and colleges aren't providing for equal opportunities, again, you have an issue.

My girlfriend is majoring in Aerospace Engineering, she's one of three women in her class.  No one at Ohio State--or the rest of the world, for that matter--is up in arms because the vast majority of Aerospace Engineers are men.  She's afforded the same opportunities as men and treated as an equal, but the fact remains that women make up about 13.3% of Aerospace Engineers.  Is it because the job doesn't appeal to the majority of them?  Or, is it because the percieved lack of females dissuades other females from joining?  Regardless, provided that she's allowed an equal opportunity to any man in the program, it's not sexism.  It's the nature of the job.

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OSUAeroEng on 1 Mar 2012 - 1:40am #

@HODGE

As a male grad student in Aero at OSU, I can tell you that a higher percentage of women in aerospace engineering would be welcomed openly.

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OurHonorDefend09 on 1 Mar 2012 - 2:27am #

I don't really think there is racism in terms of coaching... perhaps because there aren't as many blacks as there are whites, there aren't as many good black coaches as there are white ones. This is simple math... For instance, look at Tyrone Willingham. He started as a GA at Michigan State in the 70s, which wasn't the best time for racial equality. He did well at Stanford and then got the job at Notre Dame. I think everyone here would agree that those are both pretty prestigious head coaching jobs (ND obviously more so than Stanford). He didn't do well and that's why he went to a lesser program in Washington. I know this is only one case, but this is how coaching works WHITE OR BLACK. There are Black coaches being hired, so there are obviously opportunities there. 

 

Until someone can come up with a study which shows Black Coach A, Black Coach B, White Coach C all apply for the same job, and White Coach C gets the job even though he isn't the most qualified on a consistent basis, then you will never convince me that racism exists in hiring coaches.

 

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hodge on 1 Mar 2012 - 10:10am #

@OSUAERO - Haha, odds are you've met her!  But, I'm very sure this is the case, the point I was making is that it's not Ohio State's fault that women aren't enrolling in the major.  I see it as the same with black coaches in the NCAA, I just don't see the numbers in the assistant coaches to see more black coaches promoted soon.  Just like you'd welcome more women into the major, the vast majority of America would welcome more black coaches into the fold--but we're not seeing an influx from either group on either side.  Now, if the small population is being denied by the color of their skin or their gender, we have a problem--but until I see such motions, I refuse to believe that racism is a prevalent force among the hiring of college football coaches.  There's too much money riding on these teams for the best man not to get the job.

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Run_Fido_Run on 1 Mar 2012 - 11:14am #

The Rittenburg (AR) article is subscription-only access. Does AR make the point that the SEC having two Afr-Am coaches compared to the B1G having zero is supposed to be significant?

If so, that'd only add yet more evidence (for, what, the 96th time?) that AR is a decent reporter but not qualified to analyze socioeconomic issues. Statistically, it is not significant that one subgroup (or conference) has 2 out of 14 occurrences of "X," which occurs, say, 12.5 percent of the time among the total population (or among all of cfb coaches), while another subgroup has 0 out of 12 occurences of "X." The of distribution of X's between those two subgroups is not at all inconsistent with a random distribution.

We can argue about the issue/problem of "X" only occuring 12.5 percent of time among the total "population," on a generalized basis, but making this point SEC v. BIG, based on that "analysis," is just silly.    

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Scott on 1 Mar 2012 - 3:15pm #

I think too many of you are taking this article to say things that it does not. It isn't an opinion piece--Rittenberg doesn't give his opinion throughout the entire article--and simply focuses on the current state of an issue and the musings of prominent figures within college football.

I don't think this article is an ESPN hack piece on the Big Ten. The article references numerous instances in which the Big Ten has been a leader in providing opportunity and promoting equality.

"The first two African-Americans to coach in a major FBS conference worked in the Big Ten... Michigan and Indiana had African-American football players in the 1890s... Michigan State became a pioneer in offering opportunities to African-American players from the segregated south in the 1960s."

It also states that the Big Ten has received high marks on their hiring report cards from diversity advocacy organizations, even without hiring African American coaches.

If anything, I think the article brings the reader to central question: As a conference that has been a leader in this arena, why aren't we leading now? Richard Lapchick, the director of the Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sports, states the following:

"...the Big Ten is so important athletically and academically as institutions of higher ed, they have a special place. It places them in the position that they can influence other schools to follow their lead.

If they're not leading in this area, nobody's going to follow."

Ultimately, your opinion on this article depends on whether you think the Big Ten is doing enough and--more centrally--if you feel this issue has enough merit to require our conference to lead.

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Scott on 1 Mar 2012 - 3:17pm #

@Run_Fido_Run You can actually access the article without a subscription by clicking the"Read full story" link. Apparently that subscription just lets you comment on their articles.

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Run_Fido_Run on 1 Mar 2012 - 3:25pm #

Scott - okay, you've got me interested. Is the Big Ten doing enough and, if not, what should the conference do, specifically? Are you suggesting policy guidelines?

How might the "conference lead" when we're talking about the hiring processes and decisions of individual universities?

Please clarify. We all tend to use words like "leadership" when describing institutions like the Big Ten, which can be a bit dicey. Which leader(s), specifically, is supposed to do what, and how will the various actors all contribute to the conference being seen as "leading"?

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Run_Fido_Run on 1 Mar 2012 - 3:33pm #

Scott, thanks for the tip. I scanned the article. Okay, so AR is writing a "report," by his report is structured in such a way as to draw a narrative contrast between the Big Ten and the SEC:

There are currently African-American head coaches in four of the six BCS automatic-qualifying conferences, including three in the SEC. The only leagues without one: the Big Ten and the Big 12. (In the Big 12, Kansas fired Turner Gill last season, while Texas A&M hired Kevin Sumlin in 2011 but will move from the Big 12 to the SEC this fall.)

"I'm surprised," said Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith, the Big Ten's only African-American AD and the fourth in league history. "I've watched it since I've been in this business, since 1983. There's been growth. Is it on a trajectory we all are pleased with? No. But hopefully it does change over time.

"But when you say three [African-American coaches] in Big Ten [history], it does surprise me."

He's not alone. Surprised is one of several words Floyd Keith uses to describe his reaction to the Big Ten's drought in hiring African-American coaches.

"There's a red flag," said Keith, executive director of Black Coaches & Administrators and an assistant football coach at Indiana from 1984-92. "You look at it and you go, 'What's happening here?' You go through all the major conferences -- SEC, there's representation; Pac-10, there's representation -- and you go, 'Wow, Big Ten, what's wrong?'

"I'm kind of baffled."

Keith points out one potential factor: coaching stability. 

A red flag that, when the major fball conferences have a relatively random distribution of having 0-3 Afr-Am coaches, that some have zero and some have two or three? So, if four years from now, two of the SEC's three Afr-Am coaches are fired and two Big Ten schools hire Afr-Am coaches, will that then be a "red flag" for the SEC?

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Scott on 1 Mar 2012 - 5:25pm #

@Run_Fido_Run Those are all excellent questions and ones that are better suited for someone with a salary the likes of a Big Ten Commissioner.

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Poison nuts on 2 Mar 2012 - 12:28am #

If anyone thinks by "leading" they believe the B1G should make it a priority to hire coaches based on the color of their skin...I hope this is an area it doesn't "lead" in. Again - you hire the best man for the job, period. It's really a silly subject. Show me evidence of a man - in any conference - who was the best candidate but didn't get hired because of his skin color & then I'll be pissed.

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