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Michigan loading up on OL is a bit concerning?

I'd like to hear everyones opinions/theories to why UM is going after and landing so many O-line prospects? I realize that Hoke is countering our great D-line recruiting class but it seems like he is over-loading a bit. I can't see why so many top O-line prospects want to go UM when it is clear they may have a harder time breaking the line-up. Is it possible that Hoke is getting these guys just to prevent OSU from getting them first? I guess in a way I am concerned because we have hit a dry spell with landing top O-line recently( I do like O'Conner and Decker) and UM is having zero problem taking whatever O-linemen they want. Urban has always built his trenches up as the teams core but I worry about our O-line in years to come.

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PharmBuck on 26 Feb 2012 - 11:53am #

We've only had offers to 1 or 2 of them so if that is his goal he is failing miserably

"You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again," said Meyer. "Do it a little harder next time."

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rdubs on 26 Feb 2012 - 11:56am #

He is beefing up his depth, the cupboard was pretty bare when he came in (besides Molk who is now gone).  And at this point it is unlikely he would take any more, which frankly should help us pick up a couple of the guys we have both been targeting like Pocic.  Since we weren't too high on more than one or two of them.

Not any more concerning than them picking up other top guys, as long as we get our guys.

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FortMeyer on 26 Feb 2012 - 11:59am #

The only one we need to concern ourselves with is the one with blood all over his jersey. We will need to set up a nurses tent for regular transfusions for our players as they continually lose blood. I just hope all that washes out. I am surprised they need any other lineman at all with Kalis there. I think he is planning to play two or three positions at once by himself. If we could only find someone as tough!

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DMcDougal24 on 26 Feb 2012 - 12:46pm #

I don't know if I would say we hit a dry spot.. We got 3 great commits in the 2012 class (Dodson, Decker, O'Connor) that we had no shot of before we got Urban, and there's still 11 months before National Signing Day so it's too early to tell for 2013. We very well could get Lisle and Pocic, plus i'm sure Urban will get a few more of the kids that have received offers. Patience

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hail2victors9 on 26 Feb 2012 - 12:47pm #

Your great haul of DEs last year isn't why Hoke is filling up on OLs...it will be needed, but we had no depth on our line thanks to RR. Additionally, it is important to get guys that fit the offense. As far as the number, competition brings out the best in kids, plus there will likely be position changes.

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Adamant73 on 26 Feb 2012 - 3:27pm #

All great perspectives. I just wish we would make a priorty to get a few stud O-line recruits. Meyer claims that he builds a team starting in the trenches and I'm not sold on any of these guys. Decker,Dodson,O'Conner are all good prospects but I'd like to see more depth, kinda like what UM is doing. We are looking good in all other areas except O-line and I just hope Urban can work some magic and get Pocic or Bivens or someone in that calibur.

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PharmBuck on 26 Feb 2012 - 3:37pm #

Not many positions to change to from O-Line...DT maybe...you could make them DE's I guess but then say goodbye to having any speed rushers. I would think you yourself don't hope to have reformed OL playing on the d-line for you guys anytime soon.

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xtremebuckeye on 26 Feb 2012 - 4:10pm #

I beleive with Marotti we will see current players doing better. What im saying is I think the Buckeyes have had a lack of toughness in the last few years on both sides of the ball as it was evident against wisky a couple years ago and against alot of teams last year.. IMO

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HighBallAce on 26 Feb 2012 - 4:35pm #

Michigan is just recruiting so many Oline to give them some depth and fresh legs for games. The more Oline they have to rotate in and out of the game, the less they wear down over the coarse of an entire game. It's actually a very smart strategy! I wish Ohio State would adopt a similar outlook and they may very well to that in the next recruiting class. I've been pretty disappointed with Ohio States Oline recruits for most of Tressel's era.

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Big Swede on 26 Feb 2012 - 5:01pm #

The more Oline they have to rotate in and out of the game, the less they wear down over the coarse of an entire game.

No, it's all about depth. It's not a about setting up a rotation or keeping fresh legs. Wearing down shouldn't be an issue, as the offense controls the pace of the game and the OL should be conditioned for that pace. OL play is all about continuity, that gets ruined if you are rotating guys throughout the game. No sane coach is going to run an offensive line rotation. The only time I can remember anything similar was '06 when Tressel would occasionlly sawp out the first unit for the second unit OL early in the season. However he stopped doing that during conference play, and he never really mixed and matched the units. Michigan, like any non-Jim Bollman coached team, wants plenty of bodies around that can play if someone goes down. Our last two losses at Purdue can pretty much be blamed on having too few OLs and thus having to play guys out of position.

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Iwearmocs on 26 Feb 2012 - 4:57pm #

Eh, I'll be honest, I feel like continuity is more important on the Offensive line. Compare that to the D-line where you can rotate guys in and out to always keep them fresh.

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Statutoryglory on 26 Feb 2012 - 5:02pm #

Just like TB drafts pitcher after pitcher because they play in the Yankees division, shrek thinks he needs a ton of OL options to pick his 5 best to go against our returning 3 Studs on DL, incoming 4 studs, and prob a Bosa, Price, and Daniel in this class.

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Adamant73 on 26 Feb 2012 - 5:35pm #

It does seem like in the past OSU has always made O-line a lesser priority. We've seemed to be out of the race for alot of high end O-line prospects so we end up getting 3 star or second, third choice guys. I am totally jealous that UM has landed 7-8 O-line prospects and honestly none of them are second rate. UM will be strong on the O-line for the years to come and I guess they will need it with what we have coming in. The other end of it is that UM really hasn't gotten to much on the offensive side other than O-line. They are in desperate need of a RB and playmakers. I like the QB they are bringing in but Hoke has to get him some playmakers or his talents will be wasted. OSU is a bit more balanced but I'd like to see one more serious offensive playmaker included in this class.

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Cavaleer on 26 Feb 2012 - 6:34pm #

I don't think UM recruiting lots of OL is because of our great DL. Obviously that would help them out against us, but no sane coach is going to build his team solely to win one game of the season. Yes, The Game is the most important one, but if Hoke wants to win championships, he has to get players he wants to have the whole season. The same goes for Urbs, he can't overrecruit one position to counteract UM. He has to build a complete team. Apparently that's what Hoke thinks he is doing.

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Adamant73 on 26 Feb 2012 - 8:08pm #

I don't fully believe your comment that Hoke isn't focusing on O-line becasue of OSU's great D-line to be. I think Hoke wants to build the core of the team around O-line which I actually think is smart. Hoke knows that OSU is loaded with blue chippers on D-line and I think he is  concerned about a one game a year series especially when it usually decides the Big Ten and could have national implications.If Hoke consistently loses to OSU  he won't have a job for long, I'd say that is enough to counter recruit O-line to possibly take away our trench advantage.

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FortMeyer on 26 Feb 2012 - 10:02pm #

Defense wins championships. It has been proven over and over again throughout football history. Never once have I heard someone say that an O-line won one. As long as our defense is returned, and it looks like we have the personnel to do so, to its previous glory we will be fine.

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Ccdevi on 26 Feb 2012 - 11:09pm #

I wont repeat what I just posted in the other thread about Michigan's #13 commit but Michigan is taking these OLs simply because it needs the bodies.  Rich Rod took very few OL the last couple years and we even lost a couple of those to injury and defection.  Even if we have no unexpected attrition, in the fall of 2013, we'll only have 13 OLs on the roster, 4 of whom will be 2nd year players and 5 true frosh.

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Statutoryglory on 27 Feb 2012 - 12:34am #

How did Harbaugh turn Stanford into a USC beater?  Offensive Line that neutralized the beast defensive lines rolled out by USC.  It wasn't just Luck.  They beat USC with their 3rd stringer at  QB one year under Harbaugh.

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ThirdLegLouie on 27 Feb 2012 - 12:56am #

@StatutoryGlory- Great O-Line at Stanford but it was almost all a combo of Luck being a phenomenal QB and Harbaugh being a phenomenal coach.  Speaking of Harbaugh, God, am I happy that he passed on the job at our rival. 

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Rational MFAN on 27 Feb 2012 - 1:19am #

I think that whole coaching situation worked out best for everyone in the end. I am not sure Harbaugh would have recruited as well as Hoke does. Harbaugh has a little bit of arrogance to him and that may rub off wrong with some of the recruits parents. While Hoke, is just a great people person and knows how to connect with everyone. One thing that is a common theme amongst recruits is they all talk about how Hoke is a genuine guy and can be sort of like a father figure. Recruiting is what determines whether you are going to be good or not. That counts for something, especially with the mothers of the world. Also, if Harbaugh comes we do not get Greg Mattison. Mattison said in his own words that he would have only left the Baltimore Ravens for Brady Hoke. Of course, we all know of the success Harbaugh had in San Francisco this past season so really, it did work out quite well for everyone.

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Statutoryglory on 27 Feb 2012 - 1:56am #

@Thirdleglouie.  They beat USC pre-luck with a 3rd stringer by neutralizing the dline of USC.  They currently have two OL going to go in the top 15 picks of the draft.  When is the last time you've seen two in the 1st round let alone the top half.   Stanford is Hoke's model.  Make no mistake about it.  Virginia and Florida, under Urban,  have also pulled this off with multiple first rounders on the OL (8,16 and 18,15).

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buckeyedude on 27 Feb 2012 - 7:46am #

@ Bigswede: I thought the O-line Tressel recruited was one of, if not the best O-line when he pulled in Brewster, Adams, and Shugarts. They were all 5*, I believe(maybe not Shugarts, can't remember). They just didn't become as good as they could have been.

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hail2victors9 on 27 Feb 2012 - 9:35am #

@Adamant73

Hoke's job will not be in jeopardy if he has a bad streak against OSU, which I don't see happening anyway.  I think we may be headed for another "Ten Year War."  It will definitely sting, but we could lose to OSU each and every year and still have a shot at the B1G title.  In fact, if OSU or Michigan wins every B1G game aside from The Game, they will always make it to Indy to play for the title.  Now if Brady loses to OSU twice a year for 5 years or something, then you may be on to something.

Also, I would not say we are in desperate need of any of the skill positions.  We definitely need 1 or 2 more WRs but Darboh and Chesson, while not highly rated, could make an immediate impact.  2013 is bringing in another under the radar guy in Jarron Dukes who will likely earn a 4* rating (a guy who happened to torch Cam Burrows for 6 Rec 182 yards and 2 TDs), and we are apparently leading for Laquon Treadwell.  @ RB we have Touissant for another 2 years and Thomas Rawls behind him for at least the following year.  Drake Johnson and Dennis Norfleet both signed at the beginning of the month and we have a great shot at Ty Isaac (who needs no introduction) and Deveon Smith.  Plus, with all the talent up front, any back could find a lane.  Additionally, we already have a TE and a couple hybrid FB/TE comitted in this class.  Needless to say, I think we are all set going forward and in a great spot if we can land Treadwell and Isaac.

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Buckeye06 on 27 Feb 2012 - 9:41am #

OSU will bring in 4 4* guys on the O-line this year and then you'll say you don't understand why Michigan took too many guys on the OL.  OL is the only position I'm concerned about but no reason to not trust a coaching satff that does the job

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Big Swede on 27 Feb 2012 - 11:35am #

@ Bigswede: I thought the O-line Tressel recruited was one of, if not the best O-line when he pulled in Brewster, Adams, and Shugarts. They were all 5*, I believe(maybe not Shugarts, can't remember). They just didn't become as good as they could have been.

Not sure what this has to do with my original point. I was more addressing numbers than quality. Yes the '08 class was highly rated, but in '07 OSU only took one OL and three OLs in '09. That's seven in three years which is far too few, you're just asking for trouble with numbers that low regardless of quality.

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GoshenBuckeye21 on 27 Feb 2012 - 1:21pm #

@Hail2Victors...I think we had this discussion on this board before might have been bucknuts but your boy dukes torched Trotwood for 6 rec 182 and 2tds. Watch the film Burrows wasn't on the Dukes kid. Burrows did however get a pick 6 to seal the game.

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otrain2416 on 28 Feb 2012 - 1:53pm #

Michigan is going after so many O-lineman because Brady Joke had to change his shorts when he saw the D-line/ LBs we brought in. I don't blame him. Should be a solid battle up front for the up coming years. IMO I'd rather have the better front 7 then O-line. Last time We had a scUM-OSU battle up front (Long versus Gibson) Long gave up his only sacks of the year to Gohlston.

Edit Gohlston my bad

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Adamant73 on 27 Feb 2012 - 9:29pm #

OTRAIN it was Gohlston not Gibson. Go Buckeye's!!

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btalbert25 on 28 Feb 2012 - 2:28pm #

Dude, you are CRAZY if you think Harbaugh wouldn't have been a better coach and recruiter than Brady Hoke.  Look at what he did at Stanford and  the 49'ers.  Harbaugh does have a little arrogance about him and you know what?  That's why he is great!  No one is telling you not to be happy you have Hoke, but from the other side of the rivalry, it's  relief that Hoke is who Michigan ended up with and not Harbaugh.  It's not even close.  With the succes Harbaugh had at his previous stop, his intensity, and the fact that he played for Michigan and was an NFL player from the school, in my opinion he would compete with Urban for elite recruits around the country.  His name plus Michigan would be close to the impact Urban has had at Ohio State.  I'm EXTREMELY happy he opted for the NFL.  I think he could match Urban recruiting and coaching.  I don't see Hoke doing either.

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BlockOHBuckeye on 28 Feb 2012 - 3:50pm #

I'm glad Harbaugh went to the NFL too ... to coach my San Francisco 49ers. :)

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BrewstersMillions on 28 Feb 2012 - 4:35pm #

What the heck did you guys expect Michigan to do? I know they have been the butt of a lot of jokes during the Tressel era but that virtually unseen level of dominance doesn't change the fact that they are still one of the premier places to play football. They have the facilities, the tradition, and the fan base to compete against any school. It has been fun to laugh at their decline, but it has by no means been a demise. Brady Hoke is good at his job. Why are we afraid to admit it? Michigan doesn't have a bumbling idiot on their sidelines. They have a grown ass man coaching football. And so do we. Both teams should be rightfully fear full of what the other can become. Urban will have a field full of studs, so will Brady. It is inevitable. I suggest we just sit back, relax, strap it down, and enjoy another installment of the 10 year war.

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hodge on 28 Feb 2012 - 4:38pm #

I'll drink to that BREWSTER, just hoping it lasts more than ten years!

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spqr2008 on 28 Feb 2012 - 4:45pm #

Rational MFan, I read your comment on Hoke as a father figure, and immediately thought of Fred Flintstone

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BuckPirate1981 on 28 Feb 2012 - 5:32pm #

It only seems like a lot because we've only recruited 1-2 a year ourselves for so long under Bollman. Really just relative, 4-5 a year should be the norm for any team. I know how it is though. Anything past one tackle and I'm like woah, slow down now, don't want to waste those roster spots. What if we can't get enough guards?!?

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BuckPirate1981 on 28 Feb 2012 - 5:37pm #

Also, Harbaugh is to Hoke what Meyer is to Pelini (in a world where we couldn't have landed Meyer). Pelini would have done a great job at OSU. Won us a few Big Ten championships, some nice bowl games even. But it is difficult to argue that the National Championships will come much more easily with someone like Meyer on board than Pelini, and likewise with Harbaugh had he taken the job over Hoke. Not saying that Hoke (or Pelini) are bad coaches or bad choices for the job in real or pretend land, but I think we dodged a bullet (and a real 10 year war) when Harbaugh chose the 49ers over UM. 

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btalbert25 on 28 Feb 2012 - 6:07pm #

Brewsters I think most of us realize that Hoke is a fine coach, but he's not Jim Harbaugh.  Like someone said Hoke is a good choice and will do a fine job, but he ain't Harbaugh.  That was my only point above.  I honestly don't believe many fans would want Hoke over Harbaugh.  Of course there were more than a couple of Ohio State fans that preferred Fickell to Meyer so there's always that I guess. 

Just think with Harbaugh Michigan would've been on the short list to compete for BCS titles every year.  With Hoke, they'll be in the mix for the B1G every year, but are they going to be a player nationally most years?  I'm not so sure.

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highwire on 28 Feb 2012 - 8:32pm #

Hoke is performing rather well on the recruiting trail, and he is saying the things that scUM fans want to hear. That being said, does anyone else feel that he hasn't proven himself to be remotely near the level that many are already placing him? He had a good season, but with another guy's recruits and a (ugh) very athletic QB. He didn't even run the system that he is planning to install, and most importantly, his career record isn't exactly exceptional.

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xtremebuckeye on 28 Feb 2012 - 9:18pm #

The next couple years will tell us how this recruiting chess match is going to turn out

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yankeescum on 28 Feb 2012 - 10:56pm #

I am personally more concerned about Ondre Pipkins.  That kid will be in the starting line up this year.  And Holy Toledo is he scary looking.

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