Speaking at an event Hoke was asked about the majors for players board they have shown that is at OSU and Hoke supposedly said "we dont recruit negatively, I'm not going to mention the 30 felonies in 5 years that happened in his previous program." Do not know if it is exactly quoted or not but it is pretty bad. Also read that alot of the arrests during Meyers time was from the players on Mattisons side of the ball. That will be ignored by scUM though. Hope this doesn't go over any commenting line. Here's the link.
http://michigan.247sports.com/Board/59424/Brady-Hoke-today-7981209/1
Did Urbz even have anything to do with the board comparing majors? If Urbz didn't, then we have Jabba taking a preemptive shot at Urbz.
Please keep spitting garbage out of your oversized pie holes, Jabba and the Belly of the Beast.
Blog fight!
we're going to need some more bulletin boards by the beginning of the season at this rate...
I can't wait to destroy the B1G again. Keep takin' shots haters, you're time will come.
Don't give up... Don't ever give up.
I'm not going to mention that Brady Hoke...well...is fat.
Class of 2010.
This is what a blog fight looks like:
The funny thing was that someone had looked into the arrests and something like 11 of 16 at one stretch were on Mattisons side of the ball. Oh well.
A) The comparison of majors is misinformed and inaccurate. I don't think Urban is dumb enough to get into a shouting match about which school is better academically; I doubt he is behind it.
B) Hoke may have been a little out of line, but there were a lot off arrests at Florida during Urban's tenure; fact. I have always heard it was closer to 50.
C) Regardless if Mattison recruited the kids or if they were offensive or defensive players, it will always fall on the head coach. It's the nature of the beast, and Urban will always take the flack because the kids are under his watch. Diverting the blame to Mattison is a cop out.
D) There will be so many shots (subtle or not) taken by both coaches as long as they're coaching at UM and OSU, we should just buckle up and enjoy the ride. That aspect of the rivalry will be at it's highest point since Woody and Bo. But if you Buckeyes are really after bulletin board material, Kalis and Pipkins have already run their mouths about the Buckeyes.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
LOL, typical pointing the blame at Urban. "Mattison is totally clean guys since he went to Michigan, none of that was his fault". It's shared. The Sentinel ran a good article about the arrests awhile ago: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_uf/2011/11/urban-meyer-s...
If you think Hoke doesn't negatively recruit, you're delusional. He'll tell kids about arrests, while Meyer will tell kids about Hoke's record at other schools.
Really close to 50 huh? Definitely fact, but the truth really doesn't matter, ask MGoBlog's dissection of "The Sign"..."We didn't include positional players because uh they don't count, and neither do walk ons". The truth really isn't that hard to come by. Apparently 30 arrests=30 felonies, just like Ohio University=Ohio State University.
Who cares about details?
I will never know Hoke's recruiting tactics for sure. All I have to go on is reading about what recruits reportedly say about the recruiting process. What I consistently hear is that Hoke comes across as a father figure, seems to sincerely care about the kids, promotes a family atmosphere, tells it like it is, and doesn't put himself above Michigan.
I never said that it was 50 arrests. I said that I've always heard it was close to 50. I didn't look it up. Still, 30 + arrests in 5 years is defintely a concern IMO. And I'm not pointing the blame at Urban. I'm just pointing out that the head coach at any program is going to receive the blame based on his position. If a pitching coach tells a manager that he should put in a certain pitcher and that pitcher blows the game, the manager is the one that has to answer for it.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Here's hoping Urbz gets medieval on Dom Deluise and his band of skunk weasels come November. Maybe he'll then have sense enough to keep his gravy sewer shut.
I bet Hoke forgets to tell recruits that he put Ball St on probation for violations. The hypocritical tsun fans conveniently forget that their program is on probation too.
@Hail- "Diverting the blame to Mattison is a cop out." Not at all, because the underlying sentiment of what Hoke is saying is that "That should never happen- We ( at scUM) won't let that happen (even though scUM's best coach, was there when THAT happened).
What Hoke said was equivalent to showing disdain for a someone who was at a party where there were drugs. "How can you be in that enviroment w/ drugs?" --- "Umm, your best friend was there too"---- "Well, it wasn't his house!"
If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target
Mattison was a part of one of the dirtiest programs ever.
http://www.aolnews.com/2007/07/26/dirtiest-football-programs-3-texas-aandm/
I just have to add from the peanut gallery that you don't chime up about not "negative recruiting" and pop out of the cake flinging your own poo like a spider monkey. Most people call that hypocrisy.
"But if you Buckeyes are really after bulletin board material, Kalis and Pipkins have already run their mouths about the Buckeyes".
Is that anyway for a great father figures kids to talk? I guess what Kalis & Pipkins had to say is a good indication of what the family atmosphereis like at tsun.
O H I O is the Buckeye State
I cant wait to see Spence and Shazier blow his big red fat ass off the ball
- Respect the Rivalry -
Weird how hoke didn't mention how urban is probably the only coach to kick a heisman winning, national champion, number 1 overall draft pick rookied of the year scam cam off a team, not to mention this years 1st round draft pick in janoris jenkins. But hey, urb prolly just talked the other less valuable players into screwing up...oh and did he mention at all he also coached the chosen one in tebow? Can't wait till joke gets 5 star recruits that feel they are above the law since he got so many at san diego st and michigan,,, i hope urb goes for 2 cuz he cant go for 3!
Oh, and i forgot that the kids themselves were not to blame at all huh? Urban left the gators out to dry because he had cam newton to follow tebow before he screwed up and i'm sure that being in florida had nothing to do with the kids being arrested, just ask the U how tempting that state can be....Just sayin
^ Brady joke picture right their haha.
" I went for two cause I couldn't go for three."
-woody Hayes
^^that is seriously funny, yet seriously disgusting right there.
that picture ruined my breakfast
@Extremebuckeye The things that Kalis and Pipkins have said were before they signed their LOIs --- before Hoke could tell them to shut their traps, which from what I've heard, that happened immediately afterwards.
@Biggy Michigan is on probation for players stretching for an additional 20 minutes
@Goshen I'd be concerned that Newton signed with Florida in the first place. I have a hard time believing that daddy waited a couple of years before asking for compensation. Either way, Urban didn't dismiss him. He violated UF's student code by putting his name on someone else's paper and then trying turn in a paper he bought online.
I shouldn't be surprised, but you guys like to take things out of context. How does saying The head coach is going to take the heat for what kids do under his watch (anywhere) get twisted in to it's all Urban's fault and the other coaches, players, and the players' parents are not responsible? Of course the kids committing the crimes are responsible.
Darryl Stonum was dismissed from the team earlier this year after he was arrested for violating his probation. Urban dismissed two players after run-ins with the law. It seems as though both are doing the right thing at their current schools.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
"Michigan is on probation for players stretching for an additional 20 minutes"
According to the NCAA UM is on probabtion for "Exceeding coaching staff limitations, playing and practice season violations, unethical conduct and failure to monitor"
Or put another way: Cheating and lying about it. Where have I heard that before?
1) I wonder how Terrelle Pryor would be explained away had he ended up at TTUN. Someone elses fault? And how he would then be better academicly? Just like the players that choose between OSU & TTUN. Because they choose TTUN they are somehow smarter in comparison. They talk about their athletes choosing a better education but I just do not get TTUNs take on this. Yes it is a higher ranked school but athletes take the classes athletes take for the most part, at every school.
2) Just like Mattison was "the best recruiter" as I see them state constantly. But they take no responsibilities for any UF player "the greatest recruiter" recruited for UF that was ultimately arrested. The head coach is responsible in the end but I'm sure Mattison went for the guys he wanted defensively....right?
3) They said Urban put up the majors board but who really put it up?
4) TTUNs fans are good entertainment
Hail2Victors9, here's the deal: this site warmly welcomes comments from fans of other schools, (including even TSUN) many of whom bring interesting, diverse viewpoints to our discussions and debates. You've made numerous good points, yourself, in the last few weeks.
That said, when you enter "enemy" territory, you have to endure a certain amount of disproportionate fire. If you try to keep pace with perceived slights coming from the other (in this case, our) side, you'll wear out your welcome. Let me be clear: nobody's gonna call for the banhammer or for you to be shunned, and so forth; it's just that you might be regarded as tiresome.
I know it's not fair, but what kind of reception do you think we get at MGoBlog?
The coolest Michigan fan with which I've had the pleasure to correspond, M Man, understands this concept.
Run_Fido: I think he should get the banhammer just for his profile picture.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
@Hail2Victor - I dont understand what your argument is. Urban Meyer is a 2 time NC head coach and known around the sport as one of the greatest headcoaches, recruiters and minds in the game today. He's done it at the highest of levels. Brady Hoke has 1 decent year at a big program (sponsored by adidas - come on lol) and your in our forum trying to compare and contrast him with Urban Meyer. Michigan had no business being in a BCS bowl. I think it's premature to put hoke in the heavyweight battle (no pun intended) against Meyer. Its a battle your not going to win at this point.
- Respect the Rivalry -
Wow, I thought if nothing else Hoke was smarter than running his trap like that. He seemed like he understood that you don't anger Urban Meyer. He was defending his recruiting practices when 2 other dumbass coaches started talking crap. Thanks Brady! Now Urban will have no mercy on your soul. You may never win THE GAME again.
RBuck: in your case, you should get a some kind of mini-prize (maybe like $15 cigar?) for your cool profile picture - I'm really into old westerns.
I'm honestly surprised that Hoke said that. I remember following the Kalis decommittment, and his first response to supposed negative recruiting was "We didn't say anything at all about what's going on down there." Now, take that for what you will, but he never publicly alluded to anything about Ohio State. Perhaps he felt a response was needed from the "our majors>your majors" sign. If so, it was completely unneccesary--but the fact remains, Urban may have been a model of compliance, but his players were constantly in trouble. As Hail mentioned earlier though, in terms of current player conduct, both coaches have it under control. The DaVonte Neal and Clarke/Gambrell dismissals proved to me, at least, that won't be an issue here.
For what it's worth, Janoris Jenkins was realeased by Muschamp.
Gotta give Hoke credit for one thing: he's bringing the vitriol back to the rivalry, and I like it. If football is war, the first step towards beating your enemy is de-humanizing them, and that process is well under way in Ann Arbor and Columbus.
I suppose that overall I'm not too concerned with my least-favorite-hometown-native (I'm from Kettering, as well) running his mouth because I know Urban probably won't fire back, since curb-stomping his team into oblivion in 274 days will be the ultimate comback.
@FIDO - I'd reccommend a Padron 1926 or 1964 Anniversario. Maduro wrapper, box-pressed, it's like smoking chocolate. Pairs elegantly with a good dark-roast coffee or an Islay single-malt, I'm preferential to Laphroaig 18 Year.
Hodge: thanks for the tip; as a novice, I'm ignorant of the finer nuances of cigar brands/types. My fallback option is usually Davidoff (tasty but mild, easy to smoke for lightweights like me).
Of course, you've now talked ME into wanting to smoke one of those two options. Are either more than $15 (including the obsene new taxes)? RBuck's profile picture is definitely $15 cigar cool, but is it $30 cool? At the next ETB, maybe I could smoke the $30 and tell RBuck that the $15 cigar is the better, premium product. But, with my luck, he'll be a cigar afficianado, too . . .
Heheh, the '26s are more than the '64s. You'll pay $10-$15 for a '64, $15-$22 for a '26. I remember smoking a 7" Presidente '64 one summer night on my elementary school playground...took two hours, but it was absolute bliss.
The flavor profile is a bit heaver than a Davidoff (my only experience on these are their superb mini-cigarillos), more earthy, less spicy/woody. Think rich, like chocolate. Davidoffs tend to be light/medium bodied, these Padrons are medium/full. Should be totally acceptable to your palate though, they won't kick your ass like a Comacho or Viaje.
@runfidorun
I get it. Just know that my rebuttals were simply for clarification. I wasn't intentionally taking a shot at Urban and then had to try and defend UofM against the wolves. Like you said, it's like taking a knife to a gun fight on a rival's board. Fair enough.
@failtothevictors
Let me offer you a friendly warning, from a Cubs fan. Bringing in proven talent (coaches or players) doesn't always translate into success. Urban does have a much better track record of success---exponentially better than Hoke's---to this point. Hoke is going in the second year of his 3rd stop (comparable to Urban arriving at Florida after BGSU and Utah). It's not exactly a parallel comparison, at this point.
@hodge
I am from Kettering, as well. I thought you were decent before and I have enjoyed your comments to this point. It all makes sense now.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Run_Fido: Hell, I wouldn't know a dollar cigar from a $30 one; but I would know the difference between a $30 bottle of scotch and a $100 one. As for the pic, it was a toss-up between the Lone Ranger and Paladin.
"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)
http://www.bryantexasdwiattorneys.com/2011/06/michigan-football-player-a...
The player arrest subject is something that is over rated and over covered anyway. Tressel had plenty of guys who found their way into trouble, and at least one recruit who got himself shot on more than 1 occasion. Moe C may very well have found some trouble had he been here longer than 1 year, and considering some of the insanity he found himself in after the fact, I'd say it's a good bet. You're dealing with guys who come from some rough backgrounds, it's going to happen. Epecially, when the guys aren't taken too far away from the places they found trouble.
Yawn, who cares. I'm not defending him, he took players who got in trouble. Wow, I'm shocked! So did Tressel, so does Spurrier, and Saban, and pretty much every other coach. College kids are dumb, they get in trouble sometimes. Add to that, the backgrounds that some of the kids come from and the proximity to that background and you'll have trouble. Who cares. I felt it was a non issue when he was coaching Florida and I feel like it is now.