From the Detroit News:
The battling is here to stay, on the field and off. Meyer brings an SEC raid-everyone's-commit-cupboards mentality. Hoke brings an old-school devotion to trench warfare. And Dantonio remains an unflinching fighter. He was especially irritated by the Buckeyes' poaching of one-time top Spartan commit Se'Von Pittman, something his mentor, Jim Tressel, wouldn't have done.
"They've got a new coach, and it's different," Dantonio said. "I would say it's pretty unethical, in the end."
Bob Wojnowski is known locally as a pretty level-headed and low-keyed columnist in an industry that incresingly looks for shock value and the lowest common denominator. Geography, I suppose, is the reason why he would mention Michigan, Ohio State and MSU in the same breath, because otherwise "MSU recruiting" would more often be considered alongside "Wisconsin recruiting" or "Iowa recruiting" in terms of both regional and national prominence.
Anyway, I expect that we have reached the end of the Tressel/Buckeye-Dantonio/Spartan mutual admiration society.
MSU was one of the schools still recruiting Kyle Dodson. Whut?
Pittman's from Ohio K? Mark. Thanks.
Really? (Sarcasm)
Whisky and Sparty annoy me. Did they really think the tattoo scandal would keep OSU down? Now that OSU is back making positive headlines they have to try and tear us down.
Off Topic - Who thinks Alex needs to do an interview with Meg?
I have no sympathy for a man who makes his living by taking Ohio boys, and I'm not going to demonize a man who is simply persuading them to come back home. His pipeline looks to have effectively been cut off and now he's worried, it has nothing to do with ethics. Without Ohioans MSU and Michigan would be a fraction of what they are and have been for years imo.
This is why I'll never be a Conference rider like my SEC friends. F em all.
A verbal commit means nothing unless the recruit is 100% into the school he committed to. If a recruit is not 100%, and Meyer comes over and asks "Are you interested in Ohio State", and the recruit says "Yes", he is not a 100% recruit of MSU (or wiscy, or PSU, or whatever other school, ahem, scUM).
These coaches are looking like a bunchy of whiny little sh*ts. Seriously. If a recruit is sold on you, he would not tell another coach in the B1G that he is still interested in tOSU!!!! If there is just a small percentage of interest, the recruit is not 100% yours. These kids are capable of individual thought. It is not final until that dotted line has ink above, through, and below it after the shaky 17-18 y-o hand excitedly makes his name a part of history.
Get over it, MSU. Just get over it.
or as wiscy told tOSU last year during bball, deal with it
I'm envisioning Scott Farkus (from A Christmas Story)..........."what, are you gonna cry??......cry for me". lol
Once again: Every recruit is fair game until he signs on the dotted line! Deal with it!
First Bielema, now Dantonio. Butthurt and whining. I'd expect it from Bielema, but I'm actually quite disappointed to hear it from Dantonio. "WAAAA he took my recruit!" - grow up. It's not like it's some far-fetched concept that an 18 year old kid would rather play for OSU over MSU or Meyer over Dantonio.
Class of 2010.
It's pretty bad when your whining is making Brady Joke look decent by comparison...
And now I'm washing my mouth out for even saying that.
Can sense the butthurt in the Midwest all the way down here in southern Tennessee :)
Sure we'd all agree that under normal circumstances a general rule of thumb is to adhere to the "gentlemans" agreement to some degree. But let's be real here for a minute. These guys were circling the state like turkey vultures when the feces hit the fan. There's no question about it, and some obviously wanted to be Buckeyes but let's face it the atmosphere was anything but condusive. So UFM gives a call to let them know the smoke has cleared, you interested?
They won't have shat to say next year when we're first at the door. We got a late start given the circumstances. They'll both be back to letting them have what we let them have...scraps.
Does Mark not realize that if Tressel never left, Pittman never leaves the state? Statements like this from Mark just come off as SO selfish to me. Pittman is an OH kid, his girlfriend plays basketball at OSU, OSU puts more kids in the league than any other school in the B1G-- THINK ABOUT THE KID, MARK! F SPARTY
If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target
THERES A NEW SHERIFF IN THE BIG 10 ALL OTHER COACHES NOW NO THEIR JOBS ARE ON THE LINE . THEY WILL HAVE A VERY HARD TIME BEATING THE BUCKEYES NOW THAT MEYER IS HERE. SEC SPEED IN THE BIG 10 UNHEARD OF THATS WHY THE SEC DOMONATES THE BIG 10 IN BOWL GAMES . THATS ALL ABOUT TO CHANGE AND THEY KNOW IT. ALL THESE OTHER COACHES ARE CRY BABY WHINING, TIT BABYS WITH FLAT CHESTED MOMMYS NOTHING TO NURSE ON. GO BUCKS AND SCREW THE OTHER MEANINGLESS BIG 10 COACHES>
11W needs a shirt with Urban's, excuse me, Coach Meyer's face on it, with a convo bubble that simply reads "F*** 'em" Does that sound like something you might be interested in?
If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target
I'D BUY ONE AND WEAR IT PROUDLY
These coahces need to quit with all the whining. It's very unbecoming.
Yawn @ another coach crying. I'm surprised Hoke didn't cry after Meyer swept in and snagged Reeves from right under his nose.
I totally want that shirt 3rdLegLouie!
Wisky and umLite just moved to second and third on the beatdown list.
Anyone else notice that Dantonio is crying that the coach after Tressel is being unethical but he never made a statement that Tressel was unethical for Tatgate stuff?
Cry more you whiny bitch. I can't wait to start stomping teams again because these coaches are acting like little kids. "URBAN TOOK MY TOYS AND WON'T SHARE!" Tough luck. Maybe coach at a school that's done something in the past 10 years, let alone last century and perhaps this won't happen.
Go bucks.
Don't give up... Don't ever give up.
The other B1G coaches are skeert. Dano and Beliemia thought they were top tier B1G. Found out they ain't. Go back to the mid tier where you's belong. Flounder ain't bitchin' cause he had a top 10 class as well.
The game has changed in the B1G and the other guys don't like it. TOSU has become SEC North and the decade of dominance has continued. Either step up or stfu.
To finish the butthurt Coach needs to hang half a hundo on both of those pusses, in their own house.
I really think Urban is the true Honey Badger. He don't care!
I want to create a t-shirt inspired by Vestedinterest, who made an hillarious comment yesterday about B. Bielema:
One one side of the shirt, BB is standing over a scoreboard that reads something like, "Wisconsin 72, Indiana 10." A smarmy-faced Bielema says, "My chart said to go for the two point conversion."
On the other side of the shirt is a picture of UFM saying, "My chart says steal yo' recruits, bitch!"
If Jim Tressel was deliberately donating talent around the Big Ten in order to keep other coaches happy, he should have been fired years ago. That's the brass tax. All this whining has done is expose these guys as hypocritical frauds who needed a benevolent top dog to help them stock their squads with the talent they couldn't secure themselves.
I cannot believe they're this sore over a couple of lost recruits. Where is their competitive spirit? It'd help their recruiting efforts a lot more if they responded with, "We're still going to kick Ohio State's ass, and if you don't want to be a part of it, that's your loss."
Exactly, Doc. JT was one of the nicest gentlemen to ever run such a powerhouse program. What did he get in return from his "friends" in the BT coaching fraternity? They really had his back this past spring and summer, didn't they?
Karma's a bitch, little sisters up north. Urbz is in the process of implementing his Shock & Awe program.
I'm tired of all of these coaches...none of them can't tell me they didn't do what they are complaining now....my word, michigan went after Kalis who was committed to Ohio State since last summer.
Just tryin' to help out. You're welcome.
Nota bene: Meyer wins recruiting battles for Dunn and Reeves; Hoke = no comment.
Meyer wins over Pittman; Dantonio (now weekly) = freakout.
And I don't think that this is an overreaction on our part. "Pretty unethical" also happens to be "pretty extreme" in coach-speak. Dantonio is such a pile of rage. It's pretty extraordinary. You guys have mostly never seen it before because of the Tressel-Dantnio axis. With any luck, he'll start hating you so much that he'll either quit talking about you or saying stupid stuff about your team for the lulz, as he does with Michigan. Pretty funny.
Is anybody going to speak to Dantonio at the Conference meetings anymore? John U. Bacon's book about Rodriguez had some hilarious reporting on Dantonio at the Conference meeting in Chicago.
Good insight M Man, Yeah maybe we have been sheltered because of Tressel and Dantonios relationship. While im not on the inside during these recruiting talks it ends up being all about them and what is best for them. I remember when i was 18 i changed my mind on what college to go to about 7 times and thats without being recruited lol
Michigan Sucks!
All of this is a bit silly and smacks of desperation and naivete. I offer, the following slideshow from Business Week both as a response and a challenge. The business world is rife with so-called "talent poaching." If you are a fan of another school persusing this site, I encourage you to read the tips provided by Business Week. I think what you'll find is that your coaches recognize that they are incapable of executing the tips as well as Urban Meyer. The response shouldn't be complaining or accusations of "illegal" or "unethical" activity, but rather a concerted effort to hone your skill.
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/03/0327_poach/index_01.htm
Just tryin to help out stirring the pot? It's not a coincidence a ttun guy wants to rehash this. You guys are smarter than that, right? He'd love to cause more of a disturbance here, no matter what you believe. Why is he always around? Been reading a long time without commenting. Just looking out for OSU fans, its been a rough year til now. Don't let anyone spoil our great moments now.
Bret Bielema apparnetly isn't giving up either.
@Matt_HayesSN Wisky coach Bret Bielema says AD Barry Alvarez will speak to Jim Delany about Meyer's recruiting tactics.
wow, brett and dantonio are acting like a bunch of preteen bieber groupies who just got there first period.
they are like children trying to get their mom's (AD) to speak to urban and Ohio State because the coaches are too much of a "can't hack it, pantywaste, who wears their mama's bra"
Yea, I just did that
Delaney's not going to do anything to put B1G at a disadvantage vs other conferences recruiting tactics wise.
Agreed Northbrook, Delaney is happy his 2 best cars are out of the garage again and purring. Dantonio needs to take a Midol & STFU.
"You have to slay the selfish beast inside of you and be your brother's keeper" - Chris Spielman, on being a great teammate
First of all this will not happen again while Meyer is here. A bunch of recruits had already committed before he could even talk to them. The only one who might be like that this year is Dymonte Thomas. After Dymonte though Meyer will get his shot with each recruit prior to their commitment, if he misses and is convinced that the commit is legit he will look elsewhere (as he did with Kalis). The reason Meyer sniped all of these guys was because he never got a chance to recruit them before they were committed, that will no longer be the case. And as others pointed out, these guys are Ohio kids and when it is home state kids the rules are a bit different because you want to keep them in state. It sounds like Meyer honored all of the solid commitments. What Dantonio should be complaining about is the fact that Pittman reached out to Meyer while being committed.
Well yeah, I'm sure a lot of the kids that we "stole" from other programs were unsure of what the future held for us. Things were not looking good, so they looked elsewhere. Urban Meyer comes in, and the direction of the program takes a near 180. I think those that jumped ship to us probably wanted to come here to begin with to some capacity, but wasn't sure what the future held for our program. Now that it looks good, they weren't hard to talk into coming. And no, that won't happen next year because those kinds of kids will be coming here to begin with. They'll never give those MSU or Wiscy any consideration.
And it is kind of weird, but that's one good thing about Jabba is that there's no butthurt. Part of that is that they have a pretty good recruiting class themselves, so it's not like losing Reeves or Neal or whoever is the end of the world. MSU and Wiscy are more starved for players like that than Michigan is right now. But Brady seems like a "no whining, no excuses" type of guy. I know the dude respects us, too, even if he does that whole "Ohio" thing.
Class of 2010.
His mentor would not have needed to because he would have never comitted to MSU in the first place it were not for TAT gate.
I know of only two things that are infinite, space and human stupidity.....and I'm not sure about space". Albert Einstein.
all the respect i had for dino is gone, guy needs to put on his big boy pants and accept a loss
These coaches just don't get it. Meyer had two months to do the same job they worked on for multiple years. He ended up doing a 10x better job than all of them. Ohio State was in a unique situation this year and when Meyer came, it became a new program and a new recruiting pitch. Only an idiot wouldn't try and get those kids to come back. Basically, in the end, if its not hurting the kids its probably not unethical. This is not oversigning.
October 20th: National Kenneth Guiton Day
Adapt or die, B1G. STFU and recruit, or lose your job when you gets pantsed by 40 every year.
Because Urb don't give a fuck that you're butthurt. And he just put you on his list.
Wah
Dantonio has always been a hard ass. He was at OSU and still is at MSU. Dantonio went off on a scUM coach (can't remember which one) at a high school clinic for no apparent reason this past year. He tries to intimidate people into doing what he wants and gets overly aggressive when he doesn't get his way. Same with Bielema. Coach Meyer isn't going to be intimidated and this makes me happy. :) Suck it Dantonio (with a Connery accent).
Call the waaaammmbulence for wisky and msu!
Change is painful; hard to believe Hoke is coming out like the decent guy here. F beilema, he really makes me hate Wisky, a program i've always respected.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
chief, i feel the same. I respected the hell out of wiscy, hated, but respected, not I just hate them. BB is acting like a teenage girl who made a mistake on prom night
Cant wait to see handshake after sparty & wisky game
GregC
@GCAR after Dodson and Pittman dominate their respective sides of the ball
muck fichigan
hahaha i hope its not harbaugh vs schwartz caliber
Kobe to his ex wife "b$&@h you wasn't with me shooting in the gym"
Urban to Dantoni & belima " b$&@h you wasn't with me watching all that film"
Hardly home but always reppin
That makes 3 Big Ten games circled in Red ink... Footnote for all three: *Starters dont come out until the clock reads 0:00, the whole playbook is in play, and there will be no mercy*
DubJayfootball90, you are a ruthless mofo, maybe because you have OHIO blood coarsing though your veins, much like Urban fuckin Meyer does.
Bret Bielema looks like he's sucking on a lemon all the time, without Paul Chryst Wisconsin goes back to being more like Illlinois.
My theory is simple, If a kid is from your home state, he should want to play for his home state team. If he doesn't, the fault lies in the team and state he lives in. Ohio produces enough in state talent to supply the rest of the B1G. If they don't like Pittman staying home, go find a kid in Michigan that good.
A guy at the top of the post said it best, Michigan and MSU without rosters loaded with OHIO boys are mediocre at best.
Dantonio, be happy you were here once, and you got Le'Veon Bell, Jerel Worthy, and B.J. Cunningham from Ohio, so stop the belly aching.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Go through every team in the B1G's roster, count howw many players are from Ohio on those teams.... Count how many guys from out of state we have on our roster. Its simple. OHIO and PA provide the talent in the midwest. Florida provides in the south, and Cali provides it out west.... been that way for a looong time coaches.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Does anyone know if we offered the Luke Keuchly kid from Dublin? how'd we miss that one?
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
Delany should tell BB and MD to STFU. You're not doing the B1G any favors making the B1G look like a bunch of whiny bitches. Considering the B1G's bowl record the last couple of years, time to STFU and get to work, the Urban Way.
Second, you are not doing your teams any favors by calling out Urban. Pissing him off just motivates the guy even more.
I have been known on occasion to howl at the moon. - Crash Davis
you don't want to make him angry.... you would not like it when he is angry
First, I don't believe there is this alleged gentleman's agreement that all the B1G coaches bitch about when their players get poached. Second, if there is that's exactly why the B1G sucks on the field. You need to be agressive and cut throat in football, and that goes for on the field and off. If you recruit weak you are going to be weak in other aspects too. I'm so tired of fan bases whining about what's fair. It wasn't fair when other coaches went to great kids from Ohio and negatively recruited against Ohio State, but it was life and who could blame the other coaches. Swoop in and get those players.
The SEC is so good because they are ruthless. Even some of the mid to lower tier teams. I'm sorry but the B1G could stand to take a few pages out of their book. Maybe not all their tactics, but I see nothing wrong with poaching committs from other teams. They aren't official until that letter gets faxed in. I've heard repeatedly when a player committs to Ohio State that other schools in the B1G weren't going to quit recruiting the player. So I guess it's ok for them, but not for a team like Ohio State to do it.
Dantonio and Bielema, life ain't fair and the rich always get richer. That's the same in regular life and it's the same in football. Great recruits want to play where they can be great, not middle of the pack. GET OVER IT
Pittman was a key to their class. One of the top recruits. In Ohio State's class he's the 4th best D-Lineman. I think some of it is frustration that one of their top recruits left and some of it is reality setting in. Urban + Ohio State = rough times for teams like MSU.
I'm sure it's been pointed out but it's hard for MSU to cry when Pittman came to us. At least with Wisconsin UFM pursued their commit.
Where's the outrage that Purdue poached a commitment from Illinois on Signing Day? There's no such thing as a gentlemans agreement.
Meyer should counter Dantonio's and Bielema's arguments with, "I think it's unethical to try to steal players from someone else's state, other than your own."
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
The only way Meyer should respond to these fools is by hanging 70 on them next season.
I love this man:
"Urban Meyer this morning at the Ohio High School coaches clinic: "You're pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got 9 guys who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time.""--From TheOzone.net
We're never going to keep coaches out of Ohio, and that's not fair to the kids. Take this year for example- There are hundreds of D1 players in Ohio, Ohio State can only take 15-18 kids TOTAL (regardless of their state). I don't think its unethical at all for coaches to come in to another school's state and try to recruit. Think about the implication of only being able to recruit inside your own state. What would you do for states like Michigan or Pennsylvania that have multiple solid D1 programs?
Let's not get carried away. Let them recruit whereever and talk to whoever so long as it is within the rules. Talking to players w/ verbal commits is within the rules.