PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Well well well... look at the scUM we've found in the garbage!
They must have that wrong cause tsun runs a clean program they would never bring in a player like that or a coach that cheats and lies and puts the program on probation.
O H I O is the Buckeye State
Framed by TP, of course.
Covered up by Tressel
From what I read in my paper in Toledo, Stonum still could be back for his senior season. Yeah, Hoke, that's showing your true character in thinking you still want this jailbird to play for the so-called Leaders and the Best.
Geez people, relax a little. He didn't sell his personal property or get free ink- the real problem with players these days.
Steve - Stonum is indefinitely suspended from the team. Correctly so. Before this happened, Stonum's status was 'indefinitely suspended.' Stonum's been on suspension for the entire year. By NCAA rule, he has another year of eligibility, whether at Michigan or not. I don't think we could bar him from playing again if we wanted. He could transfer to Boise State, Miami or Ohio (see what I did there?) and play his final year, although it's getting awfully late (too late?) to do anything like that. Now, had Pryor & co. been suspended during part of 2010, as Stonum has been for all of 2011, the OSU program might be in as much trouble (close to zero) as the Michigan program is now, for the actions of one or more dumb, misbehaving football players.
But I hate this business of comparisons, because it puts me in the position of being one of the whining detractors of OSU, when in fact I've all along thought that the sins of the Tat 5 were inconsequential stupidities and I've made something of a career on 11W saying so. I've never been a hater -- OSU did not get off easy; nor did Michigan a couple of years earlier. I also don't like the business comparing each other's dumb ballplayers. OSU got taken down mostly for what its former head coach and what its administrators did or did not do. The dumb ballplayers were merely the predicate.
Stonum, you should know, is making us all terribly uneasy. I think a majority of the fanbase wants to eliminate Stonum as a basis for forums like, well, 11W, to criticize the program. The Stonum case breaks my heart; because he's personally on the verge of getting what Pryor & co. didn't get (not that they deserved it) -- which is to get kicked out of college football forever. I am not hoping for Stonum to be kicked off the team, but I think that it will be a minor miracle if he survives this.
It will be very, very good for you if Stonum's Michigan career is over. I honestly expected him to be a kind of Devier Posey of 2012.
Class of 2010.
M Man, there are no comparisons to be made here. Trading personal items for tats/cash violated NCAA rules as did Tressel not reporting his knowledge of it. All involved paid a hefty price for that. However, none of them broke a single law nor were any lives put in danger which is what Stonum did every time he drove drunk.
DUI's, driving with a suspended license and lying to a probation officer all before the age of 21 should make UM fans feel uneasy. It could be one of them or a member of their family that he smashes into if he does it again. The only reason he is still even "suspended indefinitely" is because the NCAA doesn't punish actual lawbreakers. The best thing for Stonum and UM is for him to be kicked off the team and after he is out of jail sent to rehab. Dude is in serious need of some help.
Also Posey was suspended, Stonum was redshirted. Posey played in three games, Stonum could play in 14.
M Man needs to stop being so logical, it makes him so much harder to dislike
If Denard Robinson isn't careful with spooning all that food into his mouth, he's going to end up lookin' like Whoopi Goldberg
Pam I'm sort of sorry I made any comparisions at all, for the reasons you state. I do wish I knew more about what is going on with Stonum; it might make it easier for me to agree or disagree with you.
And Rdubs; I assuredly wasn't comparing the relative wrongdoing or the suspensions of Posey and Stonum. I only regard them as similar offensive weapons; similar players who coincidentally both had playing time interruptions. (Stonum and Posey are both 6'2", both around 200 lbs, both h.s track stars. This 2008 recruiting profile -- "Yet another tall wideout who can really run. He is one of the smoother players we have seen in this class and is a legit vertical threat. He is silky smooth for lack of a better term. He is very natural in terms of his change-of-direction skills and body control..." -- was for Stonum, but could just as well have been Posey.)
You're a classy gentleman, M Man, and I'm glad for your contributions to cilvilized debate.
"A guy from Ohio can make it in life if he works hard enough." - Wayne Woodrow Hayes
We have had some Stonums at OSU and they do not define either program. Sometimes you just get a bad apple that really smears the integrity of a program. We all know about some of those characters.
I'm not sure Stonum hurts the reputation of Michigan. He's just a dumbass. Every program has some.
This is a non-story unless Brady Joke allows him to play next season. And if he does then the scUM is on him.
One interesting corollary is that while Stonum's current indefinite suspension began under Hoke, his problems pre-dated Hoke; going back to when Rodriguez was coach (and Stonum got varying degrees of punishment under Rodriguez too). Hoke inherited some of this.
With Urban Meyer coming in, and if we presume some resolution of Jaamal Berry's pending case that does not involve any football-ending incarceration, it will be interesting to see how that one gets resolved. Berry is also on an 'indefinite suspension,' is he not? Possible he could come back? Or am I mistaken about that?
Again, having a war over whose perps are worse is not where UM-OSU ought to be. That's what the Fullmer Cup is for, and neither OSU nor UM is ever gonna win that thing. I do not envy the coaches who have to make career-ending discipline decisions.
Sorry mman but Jamal Beery is old news and i for one would rather hear more about Stonum.
I see he got 10 days for DUSL, lied to prob officer & court , failed to show up for aa meetings.
I didnt know he has had 4 alcohol related charges. How many were DUI ? did he spend any time for DUI.
I really dont see any choice but to let him go play for the SEC
I would be fairly shocked if Berry remains a part of the team.
Doug Lesmerises (great reporter) on the subject, in the Tressel era:
Tressel is nolonger w/the program so your comparison doesn't hold any merit. But if it did, I'm assuming that what your trying to say is... the best way for Michigan to put this whole Stonum thing behind them is to fire Hoke? Is this correct?...
Wow a story from 2008... how far we wanna go back? like when Manningham threw his girlfriend from a car and served a post season punishment or that defensive player that got in a baroom brawl. and it goes on an on.. History
Stonum is news now
Does anyone know if Stonum served any jail time for Dui? Just curios couldnt find any info.
do you guys remember that time we beat michigan like 38 straight years? lloyd carr and richrod do.
No, no, you guys are being way too easy to bait. All of these cases are different, on their own merits.
OSU has handled the J. Berry case exactly the same way I would have. I don't know enough about the Doug Worthington case to make any judgment; certainly I have no crticism of Tressel.
Actually, truth be told, I don't know enough about any of these cases to second guess the coaches. Before Stonum, we had Grady, who was suspended upon his first DUI and played only sparingly thereafter. He had a second DUI, but that occurred after leaving the program and going off to the Chicago arena football franchise.
No, Doug Lesmerises' article merely reinforces that there is a case like this at most big programs. And I don't envy the coaches who have to decide the punishments in the best interests of the kids and the protection of their programs and the public. The programs are remarkably similar in their general handling. It's just me, perhaps, but I'd hate to prejudge a kid in legal trouble before the legal system (which operates a lot more slowly than BCS-level football program) can work itelf out. But at the same time, I'd be tempted to suspend any player for the entire year, no questions asked, for any DUI.
The fact that Stonum's suspension was turned into a redshirt year doesn't bother me at all. The point of the suspension is to get the kid to straighten up, apart from football. It ought not to be a competitive/eligibility/roster issue.
xtremebuckeye asked about Stonum doing any jail time. He's just been sentenced to 10 days in jail now, even as classes have just started. That is going to be a very big problem. It is a comparatively stiff penalty under the circumstances, but deserved I think. I would have done the same if I had been the Ann Arbor District Court Judge. Stonum had done 3 days in jail in the summer of 2010, for disobeying part of his first-arrest probation terms.
?... "defensive player that got in a baroom [sic] brawl..."? Not sure who that might have been.
Re: Pope cited four alcohol-related offenses against Stonum, something he deemed "extremely unusual" for a 21-year-old. The judge said Stonum is among 1 percent of the population who have committed the number of alcohol-related offenses he has by his age.
Football eligibility shouldn't even be a concern here, (it appears to me that) this guy has a severe addiction problem and really needs some serious help to get his life "straightened out".
I think everybody understands that Stonum needs help, entirely apart from football.
As far as I am aware, Stonum has two (2) DWI arrests. And, following each one, he was sentenced to various forms of probation, counseling, meetings, etc. My understanding is that he blew off a number of meetings after the first probation, and then this violation following his second probation. I think (but I'm not certain) that is how they get to "four alcohol-related offenses." Two DWI's and two probationary violations.
One of his DWI's, he was .10, which is the minimum threshold. (I won't debate whether that is really "drunk" or not; he was driving badly.) The other one, I vaguely recall it was weird how he even got pulled over.
But let's face it; one DWI at .10 could be carelessness and bad luck. Two DWI's is a PROBLEM. Two DWI's and these kinds of complications requries an intervention.
I asked if Stonum ever received any jail time for "DUI"
In 2010 he served 3 days for" probation violation" from a previous DUI he recieved probation and no jail time for first DUI. correct?
Now in may of 2011 he was arrested for "driving while visibly impaired" ( DUI?). In june 2011 he was put on probation again and for 2 yrs but i didnt see where he received any jail time for DUI.
He did recieve 10 days days for probation violation but i didnt see where he served any jail time for DUI.
So 2 DUI's = probation and no jail time. correct?
The laws in the state of Mich must be different cause in Ohio its manditory 3 days jail for first DUI & i think 30 days for second.
and also first dui your license is gone for 6 months ..not only was he driving with no license which is a seperate charge of its own in ohio but he got away with it twice and only served 13 days in jail all together pretty pathetic ''great role model'..i can only hope my kid sells his jersey and cleets for some tattoos...michigan is just gettin him prepped for the nfl where all of it ok..now he can drink drive kill somebody like stallworth and only get 2 years ..great deal...
BUCKEYE'S THE SACRED BROTHERHOOD !!
The proverbial end of the story:
Stonum has been dismissed from the team. Did his ten days for violating probationary terms and driving with a suspended license... Meets with Hoke, and now is done. I hope he graduates this spring as planned. Very, very sad to me. The 'M vs. OSU Who-is-more-lax-on-discipline' argument evaporates. Neither school has been 'lax.' This is a huge loss to the Michigan offense, which will make most of you quite happy. We are going to do some hard recruitin' for WR's, starting like yesterday.
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