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Covered up by Tressel

Geez people, relax a little. He didn't sell his personal property or get free ink- the real problem with players these days.

Tisk tisk

Also Posey was suspended, Stonum was redshirted.  Posey played in three games, Stonum could play in 14.

Pam I'm sort of sorry I made any comparisions at all, for the reasons you state.  I do wish I knew more about what is going on with Stonum; it might make it easier for me to agree or disagree with you.

And Rdubs; I assuredly wasn't comparing the relative wrongdoing or the suspensions of Posey and Stonum.  I only regard them as similar offensive weapons; similar players who coincidentally both had playing time interruptions.  (Stonum and Posey are both 6'2", both around 200 lbs, both h.s track stars.  This 2008 recruiting profile -- "Yet another tall wideout who can really run. He is one of the smoother players we have seen in this class and is a legit vertical threat. He is silky smooth for lack of a better term. He is very natural in terms of his change-of-direction skills and body control..." -- was for Stonum, but could just as well have been Posey.)

We have had some Stonums at OSU and they do not define either program. Sometimes you just get a bad apple that really smears the integrity of a program. We all know about some of those characters.

This is a non-story unless Brady Joke allows him to play next season. And if he does then the scUM is on him.

Sorry mman but Jamal Beery is old news and i for one would rather hear more about Stonum.

 I see he got 10 days for DUSL, lied to prob officer & court , failed to show up for aa meetings.

I didnt know he has had 4 alcohol related charges. How many were DUI ? did he spend any time for  DUI.

I really dont see any choice but to let him go play for the SEC

Doug Lesmerises (great reporter) on the subject, in the Tressel era:

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2008/08/tressel_rejects_suspension_for.html

Wow a story from 2008... how far we wanna go back? like when Manningham threw his girlfriend from a car and served a post season punishment or that defensive player that got in a baroom brawl. and it goes on an on.. History

Stonum is news now

Does anyone know if Stonum served any jail time for Dui? Just curios couldnt find any info.

No, no, you guys are being way too easy to bait.  All of these cases are different, on their own merits.

OSU has handled the J. Berry case exactly the same way I would have.  I don't know enough about the Doug Worthington case to make any judgment; certainly I have no crticism of Tressel. 

Actually, truth be told, I don't know enough about any of these cases to second guess the coaches.  Before Stonum, we had Grady, who was suspended upon his first DUI and played only sparingly thereafter.  He had a second DUI, but that occurred after leaving the program and going off to the Chicago arena football franchise.

No, Doug Lesmerises' article merely reinforces that there is a case like this at most big programs.  And I don't envy the coaches who have to decide the punishments in the best interests of the kids and the protection of their programs and the public.  The programs are remarkably similar in their general handling.  It's just me, perhaps, but I'd hate to prejudge a kid in legal trouble before the legal system (which operates a lot more slowly than BCS-level football program) can work itelf out.  But at the same time, I'd be tempted to suspend any player for the entire year, no questions asked, for any DUI.

The fact that Stonum's suspension was turned into a redshirt year doesn't bother me at all.  The point of the suspension is to get the kid to straighten up, apart from football.  It ought not to be a competitive/eligibility/roster issue.

xtremebuckeye asked about Stonum doing any jail time.  He's just been sentenced to 10 days in jail now, even as classes have just started.  That is going to be a very big problem.  It is a comparatively stiff penalty under the circumstances, but deserved I think.  I would have done the same if I had been the Ann Arbor District Court Judge.  Stonum had done 3 days in jail in the summer of 2010, for disobeying part of his first-arrest probation terms.

?... "defensive player that got in a baroom [sic] brawl..."?  Not sure who that might have been. 

I think everybody understands that Stonum needs help, entirely apart from football.

As far as I am aware, Stonum has two (2) DWI arrests.  And, following each one, he was sentenced to various forms of probation, counseling, meetings, etc.  My understanding is that he blew off a number of meetings after the first probation, and then this violation following his second probation.  I think (but I'm not certain) that is how they get to "four alcohol-related offenses."  Two DWI's and two probationary violations.

One of his DWI's, he was .10, which is the minimum threshold.  (I won't debate whether that is really "drunk" or not; he was driving badly.)  The other one, I vaguely recall it was weird how he even got pulled over.

But let's face it; one DWI at .10 could be carelessness and bad luck.  Two DWI's is a PROBLEM.  Two DWI's and these kinds of complications requries an intervention.

and also first dui your license is gone for 6 months ..not only was he driving with no license which is a seperate charge of its own in ohio but he got away with it twice and only served 13 days in jail all together pretty pathetic ''great role model'..i can only hope my kid sells his jersey and cleets for some tattoos...michigan is just gettin him prepped for the nfl where all of it ok..now he can drink drive kill somebody like stallworth and only get 2 years ..great deal...