The article serves as a bit of silver lining after Michigan missed out on a few big recruits this weekend, but I appreciate that Hoke and Co. are recruiting the right way in Ann Arbor. Highlighting their program, being honest with recruits, and not negatively representing the competition. This was something I always admired about Coach Tressel's recruiting style. Michigan and Ohio State have so much to offer as academic institutions and athletic programs that we should never have to resort to negative recruiting. Hopefully Urban will continue to keep our Buckeyes on the high road, too.
"Michigan whiffs on Armani Reeves, but it's clear Brady Hoke's recruiting pitch is working" -annarbor.com
True. As Aldous Snow once said, "What you did was very spiteful, but it was also very brave and very honest and I respect you for doing that. But the content of what you said has made me hate you. So there's a layer of respect, admittedly, for your truthfulness, but it's peppered with hate. Hateful respect"
I do respect the program, but I absolutely hate them.
I don't believe that there was no negative recruiting with Kalis. What else could explain his 180 degree turn? He went from Buckeye commit to Buckeye hater
Apparently they consider losing to be the right way.
Well they certainly paint themselves as being atop the ethical mountain. After losing Reeves to tOSU and Kozan to Iowa yesterday in recruiting along with the BB loss, one has to be enlightened as their minions spout their diatribe, I respout verbatim as per MBlog:
Think you get the picture. Yes they are one classy bunch. Oh yea, their overall record is better!
Urban Meyer was allowed to recruit during the Gator Bowl.
Another one of my favorites.
@DMcDougal24 It's possible Kalis was negatively recruited, but unless he comes out and clarifies, it's nothing but speculation. For all we know he was swayed by months of negative press. A friend of mine was so upset with Tressel that he no longer cheers for the Buckeyes. He now cheers for the family-favorite Wolverines. It's hard for us to understand -- and I'll forever give my friend shit for it -- but changing allegiances happens.
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@LOUGROZA Fans of all teams say stupid things. I'm not defending that. It's important to note that the opinions of their fans do not represent the actions of their coaching staff.
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No Scott, but when their fat little untested coach tries his best to discredit or piss on OSU by avoiding their proper school name it becomes difficult to pay any respect to any of them. I tell my own kids you get respect by giving it. Hoke represents what boils my blood about Ohio born folks that go out of their way to hate the home school. Sorry but I'm very old school and have never really taken too much shit from anyone, let alone UM fans or coaches.
Dubjayfootball90- LOVE the Aldous Snow quote! Very funny movie!
This is my first time posting! I've been reading for a month now and can honestly say this is the best place for free OSU football and basketball recruiting info.... As well as funny PG jokes with adult humor sprinkled in. The walruss comment from the 'ESPN' forum was also a classic, as my friends and I have been making that joke for years.
Alex and Jeremy, you guys do a great job!
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@LOUGROZA Do you think Hoke calling us "Ohio" is different from Woody calling Michigan "That school up North?" I think it's funny that people get so bent out of shape about that. And honestly, I could see it backfiring. If players are going to play for "Ohio," it's almost more apparent that they aren't just committing to Ohio State, they're committing to the entire state. A good sell to keep our top talent from crossing the border.
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Scott - Interesting way to look at the Hoke "Ohio" thing. I like your viewpoint on that.
On the same subject - people from Michigan have been calling tOSU "Ohio" for years. Hoke didn't come up with that. My wife & her whole family (all of them UM grads) have been doing it for the last 15 years. I think Hoke does it to try and fit in & endear himself with the fanbase. Like all good "Michigan Men" - he's from Ohio. Hey - as long as we beat them - he can call us Kansas as far as I'm concerned.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Woody was Woody and earned calling anyone anything he wanted to. Comparing Woody Hayes to Hoke would be similar to comparing apples to oranges. Hoke is trying to bring attention to himself and UM with his antics, while appearing to be steadfast in his stance in defying the aura that surrounds tOSU. I could not care less what he calls the university as his opinion is of little consequence. In reading recruiting material his diatribe is unavoidable and his arrogance in the attempt to belittle is what is annoying as he is in no position to belittle anyone.
@LOUGROZA It's only comparing apples and oranges if you're comparing Woody's coaching career with Hoke's one year at Michigan. I bet some people up in Ann Arbor probably felt Hayes was "defying [their] aura," "arrogant," and "annoying" when he refused to say their name with a 4-3-2 record his first year. Woody's hatred of Michigan predates his legendary status, so the idea that what Woody was doing was different than what Hoke is doing -- or that he was somehow entitled in a way that Hoke is not -- isn't really fair.
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For one, I am not trying to be fair to anyone in Ann Arbor so where that is coming from I have no idea. I go by what I see and hear and it has worked very well for me to this point. To me and this is my opinion, the difference lies in what is important as Coach Hayes, born in Clifton, Ohio, was a Buckeye. Not an individual born in downtown Detroit, lets say to serve a purpose, that announced his allegiance to OSU. That would seem strange, don't you think? If Hoke was born in Michigan and made disparaging remarks about OSU he would fit right in with the rest and no one would give it a second thought. He would be at least somewhat comparable to Hayes in his home state pride. Thus, pre-dating hatred of ones status would not matter. Hoke tries very hard to push his "born in Ohio but can't stand the Buckeyes" stance. Almost as though he's trying to copy Hayes in some way to the point of being phony. You give them all the fairness and wiggle room you want, I can't. Guess that's why I'm 100% Buckeye, like Woody.
I totally agree about not getting bent too out of shape about Hoke calling us Ohio. I just enjoy returning the favor by wondering why they're talking about that school in Athens. The only part that I find funny is that now all of a sudden their fans are doing it - like a bunch of sheep that are flocking to wherever they're told. "Oh, our new coach calls the Buckeyes Ohio now, let's do it!" It's like a kid deciding to puff on a cigarette because "omg my friends do it and they're cool!"
I know Hoke does it as part of the rivalry, and it may or may not be arrogance but it probably isn't. Their fans do it out of arrogance, though. What do they have to be arrogant about? Sorry, contrary to popular belief up there, one win doesn't erase a decade of domination. And when we win the next 4 or 5 in a row, our 2011 loss to them will be lumped in the same category as our 2003 loss to them - a blip on the radar, or on some t-shirts I've seen highlighting our dominance of them - "Who Cares?"
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Ok. Hoke doesn't have the right to do the same thing Woody did because he wasn't born where his team of allegiance plays. With that logic, Ohio State football players who come from out-of-state have lesser rights to being a Buckeye than the in-state kids. I'm sure Les Horvath and Eddie George would have something to say about that.
Regardless. Michigan chooses not to negatively recruit. I think that is honorable and I have no problem saying it. Neither that nor my affinity for being consistent make me less than 100% Buckeye.
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I do not belive for one moment that michigan doesn't negatively recruit....maybe, just maybe Reeves some day will give a little insight into what they said to him.....maybe I'm wrong and they don't and in the case if I'm wrong I will admit it.
Taking things at face value is much different than looking into the heart of something. Explaining that to someone half your age is somewhat impossible. We were never talking about players, we were speaking of coaches and fans but whatever works I guess. Ohio GF you are absolutely correct. Kalis was undoubtedly told that Michigan was a wonderful school and he should come there instead of anywhere else. Right. I would bet the house that Hoke jumped on that with both feet and invoked the fact that OSU was buried and if he doesn't go to UM instead he will be screwed and used every tidbit at his disposal to sway him. For someone that wanted to be a Buckeye he certainly changed complete and total allegiance quickly. Had to have been short circuited in some way. Recruits will say anything to protect their new schools at the urging of their new coaches.
Well if you read the article you would see that it is highlighting Armani Reeves, who didn't choose to attend Michigan and is still saying they didn't negatively recruit against Ohio State. His father even said Michigan "did it right," while almost every other school was bashing the competition. They also quote a Scout recruiting expert who says countless recruits who do not commit to Michigan echo this sentiment.
So I guess between 1. taking this at face value and 2. assuming that the father of a Buckeye commit and a recruiting expert with no vested interest are both lying for the sake of Michigan football... I'll take #1.
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Hoke and his staff were negative-recruiting their asses off prior to Meyer taking over. Read some of the comments Kalis said after he flopped. The particular wording he used just screamed "coach speak."
Now they are conducting a little revisionist history because Meyer has relegated them to second-class recruiting citizens. It's the Michigan equivalent of Duran saying 'No Mas'.
Don't be so gullible Scott.
#fistpumpgobuckeyes
Well....like I said if I'm wrong...then I'm wrong.
@NC_BUCKEYE Everything you just said is unsubstantiated hearsay.
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Is there any other kind?
Why would anyone think "annarbor.com" would have an agenda fer godsakes cause its Michigan after all ??? If anyone wants to believe this trumped up story that continues to invoke UM and Hokes superiority have at it. As we have all been privy, a news piece can contort quotes or whatever necessary to make it what is needed. And after striking out at the end of season recruiting war this is what UM needed. And that is a feel good story about their greatness from "annarbor.com".
@LOUGROZA So everything that the Dispatch writes about the Buckeyes must be made up...
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I do not think Dispatch stories are made up. In fact they sometimes go after OSU with their reporting as opposed to blind homer news produced by alot of hometown sources. Not knowing a news source tends to make most leary. I have never heard of it personally. I feel as though you own stock. I do not share your belief that UM is upstanding and credible as it is made to be in this article. I have read too many known credible articles, quotes, views and so on and so forth that tells me otherwise. Keep your faith in them though as you definitely have the right to do so. Just as I have the right to have my views.
Yeah. Strange. An individual, born in Detroit, announcing allegiance to OSU.
I hate them regardless if they recruit cleanly or not!
M man- without Ohio kids, your beloved is Ball St.
I'm just gettin tired of the " o it's ok we will get people were classy. Why come here um well were Michigan uh go blue." I don't think I've ever met a "classy" Michigan fan. They bash other teams as much as any other team or fans do.
Also get tired of the Michigan man bs. Most annoying term in the history of sports.
Many of the recruits said the Buckeye sanctions were not as bad as the coachs, from other schools , recruiting them said they would be and that was all over the internet and you have to be lost to think Hokey wasnt useing any of that to his advantage. He jumped right in there and took full advantage of the Buckeyes situation to recruit
O H I O is the Buckeye State
Damn I get tired of somebody taking a portion of what is said and making it into something that serves their purpose. This started out talking about Hoke basically not being a dickhead. He is a dickhead....but Woody hayes was brought into it to make a point. So it was about coaches in general and negative recruiting which is what I constantly referred to until it was needed to go elsewhere for someone elses needs. One more time for the thick-headed. I was speaking of coaches allegiances not players. I guess even had I said "Not an individual COACH born in downtown Detroit" because it would not matter for those now with the red ass. They would find something to twist and turn. Just as with the story from AA.com.
@LOUGROZA It's a fluff piece. That doesn't make it false. The Dispatch, and many other Ohio publications, write pieces like this about the Buckeyes all the time and we take them as fact and points of pride. If someone in Columbus wrote the exact same thing about Urban we'd be cheering our coach for holding high professional standards. Just because it is the coach of our rival school doesn't mean it isn't true or shouldn't be applauded. And just because it's from a small-time news source (as you read on 11W, a small-time news source) doesn't mean it should immediately be dismissed.
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@XTREMEBUCKEYE Saying that many coaches negatively recruited players does not confirm that Michigan did anything. For the past ten years you could have said "Many coaches in the Big Ten negatively recruit," but that doesn't mean Coach Tressel did.
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@Team Sasquatch: My best friend is a Michigan graduate. And although you just joined 11W, you're going to learn that M Man is one of the classiest, level-headed people you're going to find on this site.
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You have worked incredibly hard protecting and defending Hoke and Michigan. Now you're saying your best friend is a scUM grad and the Michigan guy on this site is the classiest ever. I think I might finally understand what side you're on. At the very least, I certainly know who I wouldn't want to have my back in a fight.
@LOUGROZA Just because I'm giving credit where credit is due and because I have the ability to judge someone by more than the color of their shirt doesn't make me less of a Buckeye, Lou.
And no, I won't have your back in a fight. I'm a lover.
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I really dont care if hokey recruited clean or not and it has everything to do with the rivalry for me.
I would have to give Urban & company all the credit for "recruiting the right way" because of the fact its working for them.
Scott, I feel sorry for you, hokey and your friend but Urban & company are recruiting the right way and it seems to be working well for them.
So
Go Urban
Go bucks.... right?
O H I O is the Buckeye State
Why is this discussion still continuing? Its apparent that there's two differing levels of dislike for Michigan. Some dislike but respect them. Others only hate them. Neither is right or wrong. I think you guys should just agree to disagree. For the sake of all of us, lets move on to talking about bigger and better things, primarily our love for OSU.
@XTREMEBUCKEYE: Just because I'm glad that another Big Ten team is holding themselves to a higher professional standard than many schools doesn't make me less of a Buckeye.
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I completely agree TennBuckeye19. Much better discussions to attend to. Thanks.
@LOUGROZA
M MAN seems to be a pretty level headed guy as Scott says, unlike the typical "Walmart Wolverine" fan we see all the time. Of course there are plenty of KMART Buckeyes and Dollar General Badgers too. Pointing that out doesn't make Scott or me or anyone else less of a Buckeye. GO BUCKS!
Haha, ok Lou. Tell me I'm a fake Buckeye five times then act like you're leaving on the high road.
Go Bucks.
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Until Meyer was hired, Hoke made his living off of bad mothing the Buckeyes. Anyone who believes otherwise is a chump.
Scott, I hope your Michigan friend is female because that would explain a lot.
#fistpumpgobuckeyes
What would it explain if my friend was a woman? And again, what you said is unsubstantiated.
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I think what he's saying (forgive me if I'm wrong) is the only acceptable reason to have a friend who is a scUM grad is if you are trying to get some.
Yeah that and it would explain why he's bought into their "recruiting the right way" bs. Blood supply is no longer going to his brain.
#fistpumpgobuckeyes
@scott that's cool I have no problem talking to a fan that is not a dick or a no nothing all I'm saying is most if not every Michigan fan I've talked to has just been terrible and when they get on theses boards its enough to make you want to crazy.
@Scott- I thought every one of your posts was rational and well-stated. That is all.
If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target
Thanks, ThirdLegLouie. I try to stay even-keeled in here.
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I still maintain my stance of hateful respect, per Aldous Snow