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Marcus Smart pushing the fan at Texas Tech

buckeye4life050233's picture
February 9, 2014 at 2:09am
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[Moved this to the College Sports forum where it belongs – Ed.] 

Not saying I condone his actions because as a athlete in my former days I know first hand what stuff gets said by the fans and how you have to just block it out and keep it within the bounds of the court.  However an insightful tweet popped out last night about how this whole week and maybe more will be all about that incident and yet the Gibbons rape situation (alleged cover-up) has yet to garner even a fraction of the press that Tat-gate garnished....Thoughts?

Borrowed Time's picture

saw this on a comment on the ESPN story - it's the same fan as the one in this video: 

 

Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

This is receiving so much attention because it happened live on video. It's silly to try & compare it to the Gibbons situation.

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buckeye4life050233's picture

Fair point.  I guess more or less it's how the Marcus Smart story is now going to be the media extravaganza for the next foreseeable future.  When tat-gate happened the immediate media horde descended upon Columbus with one thing on their mind.  Write some slander to get pageviews and create controversy

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

It is funny how much time is being wasted on this.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

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sharks's picture

Can we just call them Michigan or maybe TTUN? None of this other stuff is remotely clever.

The postgame show is brought to you by... Christ, I can't find it. The hell with it...

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chili96's picture

I want to know what the fan said. Until then I will reserve judgement.

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MercerBuck85's picture

From a sports analyst's twitter, supposedly the "n word" was used at least twice while welling at Smart to get up and get off the floor.  Complete speculation, but it may offer at least a little insight to maybe what sparked the controversy.  

I completely agree the kid has to have composure and show maturity in those situations, but if it's true what the guy said, then the fan's actions are inexcusable.  If it's true, I think Smart's reaction to the incident is probably what the majority of people would do in the same situation.

cplunk's picture

Doesn't matter at all what the fan said. You don't get to put your hands on another human being because of words, and yes that includes the "n" word or slander of any race. 

You start the physical contact, you're in the wrong. Period. Even if the other guy is a racist douche who deserves to be hit.

That said, a shove is not a punch and any punishment should reflect that.

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Gametime's picture

I know that we as a politically correct society and culture have been taught that, but I completely disagree with that. There's power in your tongue. It can alter moods, uplift people to do inspiring, world changing things or just as easily break spirits, and destroy a person's inner being.

If you're already engaged in a physically heightened moment, especially a competitive one; it doesn't take much to be said beyond the realm of sportsmanship to a get someone going. Now of course, how we respond to words we have control over, but a man does not and should not have tolerate blatant disrespect from another man. If you disrespect a man verbally and get a physical response, that's the verbal abusers consequence. The only instance he MAY be wrong would be the court of law. It would largely depend on the judge's interpretation of the speech of the instigator and whether his intention was to breach the peace or incite the hearer to violence. (In which this case he did).

...I too dream in color and in rhyme
So I guess I'm one of a kind in a full house
Cause whenever I open my heart, my soul or my mouth
A touch of God rains out...

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cplunk's picture

I get what you're saying, and I can see your point.

that said, we're just going to have to disagree. Don't care what was said, you don't get to escalate it just because what was said affects you. The rules are the rules. People are allowed to say racist things. People are not allowed to put their hands on other people. It really is that simple.

I do see your point, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I feel that anybody who allows the words of others to  cause them to act illegally or do wrong is a weak person. Why would you give someone else that power over you? You have the power over yourself. When you allow another person's words to change your actions, you have granted that person control over you. 

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chili96's picture

I agree with Gametime. People that run their mouths off should experience the consequences of their words.

True story. In middle school a kid would direct racial insults at me every chance that he got. Keep in mind, I was one of the smallest kids in my class. One day he said something, I got fed up, chased him down, and put him in a sleeper (I watched a lot of pro wrestling as a kid). We got broken up before he went to sleep, but he never said another word to me for the rest of middle school and all through high school.

Did I let that kid have "power over me" because of the words he said? I like to think that he learned how I would exercise my power over him if he kept running his mouth.

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Alex Boones Liver's picture

No matter where or what you play, there will always be "that guy" in the crowd.  Professionals block it out, and play the next play. 

 

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ohst8buxCP's picture

The rumor out there right now is that the guy yelled something racist at him which caused him to react. As a white male I can't really tell you what It feels like to be the subject of something like that but I'd imagine I would probably react similarly to Marcus Smart. I don't in any way condone or excuse his actions,  but if  something racist was said I think I understand them. At the end of the day he pushed the guy, didn't punch him, didn't continue attacking him, just pushed him which makes a difference in my book. He should definitely be suspended, there's no place in basketball for attacking fans, but I at least think I understand why he did what he did. I would hold off on labeling him a "Thug" ala Richard Sherman.

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TheBadOwl's picture

As a white guy, I definitely lack the proper perspective here, but if I was black and someone said what was allegedly said, I'd have no qualms about decking them on the spot.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

two strangers provoked into an altercation says more about the mentality of the 2 individuals, less about the power of the N word.  Both dudes are idiots.

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OSUStu's picture

Has anyone actually seen anything substantiating this "rumor" of racist comments being made?  You'd think someone else in the stands would have heard him if Smart could hear him.  What I have seen has only been pure speculation about what the fan might have said.  

I reserve judgment until I know what really provoked Smart, but the fan may have just done enough to get under Smart's skin without racist comments.  I am not ready to consider excusing Smart's behavior because the fan might have said something racist.

If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.  ~ Bruce Lee

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Jack_Q_Football's picture
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hhilanders's picture

If there is someone out there who can read lips the fan does say something to Smart which is caught on the video. The initial comments were something that obviously caused Smart to react. He shouldn't have touched the fan but people make poor decisions in the heat of the moment. 

 

crusher's picture

There was plenty of witnesses and cameras around. If he did indeed drop the N word someone had to have heard it. I've witnessed douche bag fans drop racist remarks during sporting events but I have also witnessed people claim someone used the N word to try to explain away unacceptable behavior when indeed it was never said. I think we can all agree that the fan was a complete asshole for taunting the kid but before everyone labels him a racist let the situation play out first. Espn has a knack for shredding a person apart before all of the facts come to light regardless of the consquences.

A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men

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Brandon26841's picture

I feel like it had to be have been pretty bad (racial) for Smart to react the way he did. I mean... he was just getting up normally and all of a sudden he rushed behind him to confront the fan; obviously whatever was said really bothered Smart and having the adrenaline / frustration flowing from the game already had him on edge I'd assume. 

 

Really tough situation to be in for Smart, but he knows he can't do something like that. This kind of thing happens all of the time (taunting from fans) and unfortunately you just have to block it out. 

johnblairgobucks's picture

remember when Dennis Rodman kicked that camera operator, while getting up from a courtside game spill?  No words were exchanged there, just a mental slip.  Smart was pushed beyond the ability to control himself.  The fan was wrong for taunting, and Smart was wrong for reacting.  His response no different than LaGarrett Blount's.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

One was a shove, the other was was a punch. Pretty different.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

johnblairgobucks's picture

remember when Dennis Rodman kicked that camera operator, while getting up from a courtside game spill?  No words were exchanged there, just a mental slip.  Smart was pushed beyond the ability to control himself.  The fan was wrong for taunting, and Smart was wrong for reacting.  His response no different than LaGarrett Blount's.

mobboss1984's picture

Even if a fan (black or white) says anything negative or racial it is best to alert the officials and let the officials have security escort them out. I'm sure if he had kept his cool and either let it go or told an official he could've avoided his future suspension. This is a teachable moment for all athletes. It sucks that young men have to deal with ridiculous fans, but it's part of the game unfortunately.

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PittBuckeye's picture

Absolutely what would be ideal, but there's a grown man they goading on a college kid. That fan should be dealt with as should Smart. Smart deserves a game or two off because you just can't do that, and the fan (if the rumors are true) deserves to not be allowed back in ever.

I love Ohio State and want them to win every sporting event every year, but I'm not going to act like an immature 13 year old to try and provoke a college athlete. Grow up.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Too bad we have gotten to this point in society. Words can be so hurtful and being a father of two, it's a daily grind to keep them on the straight and narrow.

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MercerBuck85's picture

Also if you read Smart's lips in the extended replays when he is near his bench he is yelling at the coach and ref, "He said it twice.  TWICE!"

OSU BUCkS's picture

Smart is suspended for 3 games. Also the fan released a statement saying he called Smart a piece of crap and there is a video going around that backs that up.

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