This doesn't happen often for me, but if M*ch*gan beats Purdue tonight, and we take care of Illinois early Sunday afternoon, I'm obviously going to cheer for tsun to beat IU.
Or rather, I'm going to be cheering for not Indiana.
Can you guys think of some other times that you've had to root for that team that should not be mentioned?
Best case scenario is they Penn State-it tonight against Purdue and then beat the Hoosiers at home on Saturday.
Yea, I would rather that they lose to Purdue tonight and come out fired up on Sunday for senior day. We don't really need them to win tonight and I don't want to have to root for Michigan any more than I have to.
I like this scenario best. We can root for Michigan without rewarding them with a 5 way tie.
It won't be a 5 way tie now bc Michigan State and Wisconsin play each other so one will gain 1 more loss.........it could end up a 4 way tie though
Cheer for Indiana to lose, not for TSUN to win.
Absolutely. You're cheering for NotIndiana when the two teams meet.
That's the strategery I'm cooking with.
Can't....comprehend......other......option.......
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
Blasphemy!!!!!
i get your logic but muck fichigan.
Fitzbuck
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
They had to root for us last year as well. THEY OWE US ONE!!!
I get that people hate to root for that team up north but to not root for them when it benefits you is nuts. As for having to cheer for them before it has already happened this year when they played teams who were ahead of us in the standings like when they recently played msu.
I haven't seen the seed projection/scenarios yet for the B1G Tournament, but would it be better for OSU's seeding for Indiana to win the outright title?
By my quick math, if IU were to win the outright title and MSU beats Wisconsin tonight, that would put OSU and MSU in a tie for 2nd place, with Michigan and Wisconsin in a tie for 4th place. Based on the tiebreaker for seeding purposes, OSU would get the 2nd seed ahead of MSU because they split with #1 Indiana while MSU went 0 for 2 against the Hoosiers.
But, if the 4-way tie scenario plays out... I'm not sure exactly where that would leave the Buckeyes as far as seed for the conference tourney.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
But we have to remember that we still need to take care of business with Illinois before the game between Michigan and Indiana is even started. Otherwise, the seeding situation described here doesn't even play out. I don't suppose that the players are even thinking about what if.... Hopefully, they are only thinking about Illinois.
Yes, Ohio State needs to take care of business, and I'm sure the team is thinking only about Illinois.
However, what we do does not matter one bit. Not to be dick about it, but this is all hypothetical to begin with.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Agreed.
I honestly would rather have the regular season championship. It means more to me and the way the B1G is this season, you could get beat by anyone no matter what seed you are in the tournament.
Completely agree. Noone gives a shit about the conference tournaments - it's just a moneymaker. When you look back at previous seasons, you look at regular season championships, not B1G tournament wins.
They are both important for seeding in the tournament, why not win both?
I will be rooting for ichigan on Sunday, but there will be a lot of shame and self-loathing involved.
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
I will be chee-BLEH-ring for them also but I will not do it in public! I will be safely locked in my humble abode and completely hammered so I don't even remember cheering for them the next day!!
"Lets beat the shit out of Michigan".... Urban. Frank. Meyer.
I hate to admit it, but I actually cheered for them in the bowl game vs SCarolina this year. I get a lot of "F the Big Ten" texts.
"Don't put syrup on shit, and tell me it's pancakes"
No matter how sh*tty the tour is, it's always tough to leave.
Yeah, I have to say to heck with the B1G - I was rooting for the Gamecocks and absolutely screamed for joy when Clowney knocked the scUM guy into LaLa-Land. I understand the "Beat the SEC" sentiments, though. Tough call and I respect either opinion...but I am on the want-scUM-to-lose-every-game side of it.
That was a fun game to watch for me because I was simply happy either way. Normally, not caring about a game gets dull, but during this one i found myself getting excited on almost every play. I felt like a bandwagon fan rooting for whomever was winning. THEN CAME THE HIT, and there was no turning back. I was all in rooting for the cocks.
I took great pleasure in watching Vince Smith getting hammered by J.Clowney. And as much as I want the B1G to win more bowl games, I always take great pleasure in watching Michelin teams/fans suffer. I work with several loud mouthed TTUN fans, and they never shut up, even when they are 0-7 vs. OSU.
But I get your point, Chief. If I lived among SEC fans, I suppose my dislike would shift towards them.
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
I cheered for Michiscum once. I was probably about 9 or 10 and just acting up. My Dad and Uncle were watching 'The Game." I got a swift kick in the a$$ from my Dad and my Uncle accidentally ran over my bike when he left later that afternoon. I learned my lesson then, and refuse to do it again. I guess I could always stick a bar of soap in my mouth after the game.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
Yes, we are all going feel like the stupid guy who cheats on his wife with this one!
~Naples Buckeye - "May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton, Jr.
Right, Buckguyfan1.
Like a guy that cheats on his super hot wife, for some obese, trailer park queen.(with all due respect to obese, trailer park queens)
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
just cheer for Indiana to get out scored... Tape their name and turn the color off...
I just posted in the other topic about a possible 5-way tie at the top of the league, but essentially it looks to me like based on the B1G tie-breaking scenarios, if there is a four way tie then OSU would get the #2 seed, no matter if Wisconsin or Michigan State is the 4th team.
If Wisconsin is included, they'd get the #1 seed and Indiana would be #3, Michigan #4. If MSU is included, Indiana would be the #1, Michigan #3, and MSU #4.
Now, let's just hope the Buckeyes are riding high on confidence and they put a deserved whooping on the Illini this Sunday!
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Never have and never will. End of story.
"It all goes so fast, and character makes the difference when it's close."
Jesse Owens
IF: Michigan Defeats Purdue
Michigan St Defeats Wisconsin
Ohio St Defeats Illinois
Wisconsin Defeats Penn St
Michigan Defeats Indiana
Michigan St Defeats Northwestern
(1) Indiana 13-5 (4-2 vs. OSU, MSU, and UM)
(2) Ohio State 13-5 (3-3 vs. IU, MSU, and UM; 1-1 vs. UW)
(3) Michigan 13-5 (3-3 vs. IU, MSU, and OSU; 0-1 vs. UW)
(4) Michigan State 13-5 (2-4 vs. IU, OSU, and UM)
(5) Wisconsin 12-6
IF: Michigan Defeats Purdue
Wisconsin Defeats Michigan St
Ohio St Defeats Illinois
Wisconsin Defeats Penn St
Michigan Defeats Indiana
Michigan St Defeats Northwestern
(1) Wisconsin 13-5 (3-1 vs. OSU, IU, and UM)
(2) Ohio State 13-5 (3-3 vs. UW, IU, and UM; 1-1 vs. UW)
(3) Indiana 13-5 (2-2 vs. OSU, UM, and UW; 0-1 vs. UW)
(4) Michigan 13-5 (2-3 vs. OSU, IU, and UW)
(5) Michigan State 12-6
IF: Michigan Defeats Purdue
Michigan St Defeats Wisconsin
Ohio St Defeats Illinois
Wisconsin Defeats Penn St
Indiana Defeats Michigan
Michigan St Defeats Northwestern
(1) Indiana 14-4
(2) Ohio State 13-5 (1-1 vs. IU)
(3) Michigan State 13-5 (0-2 vs. IU)
(4) Wisconsin 12-6 (1-0 vs. UM)
(5) Michigan 12-6 (0-1 vs. UW)
IF: Michigan Defeats Purdue
Wisconsin Defeats Michigan St
Ohio St Defeats Illinois
Wisconsin Defeats Penn St
Indiana Defeats Michigan
Michigan St Defeats Northwestern
(1) Indiana 14-4
(2) Wisconsin 13-5 (1-0 vs. IU)
(3) Ohio State 13-5 (1-1 vs. IU)
(4) Michigan State 12-6 (1-1 vs. UW)
(5) Michigan 12-6 (0-1 vs. UW)
My head hurts. Thanks for the breakdown but I'm just going to zone out till the tourney bracket comes out.
Fitzbuck
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
So basically if Ohio State wins Sunday, they are a #2 seed with the outside possibility of a #3 seed. Not too shabby as it means they'd face Illinois/Iowa/Minnesota in their first game of the tournament, meaning hopefully at the very least one more win.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Doesn't bother me in the least if people won't 'cheer' for M*ch...nothing wrong with that - but your kind of an jack bag if you actually would prefer that Indiana to win.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
Id say you're a bigger jack bag for wanting Michigan to win a confrence championship
besides Tourniment Confrence championship holds more weight
I would much rather share a regular season conference championship with TSUN than not to have one at all.
And I completely disagree with the last statement and think the regular season means more than the conference tournament.
i would rather not win it at all then sees scUM win it, must be another fake buckeye.
and no the regular season doesn't mean anywhere close to the tourniment as proven in the last 2 weeks, you lose once and you lose you're shot at the championship and thats how it should be, not have a chance to win it because a team (indiana) Chokes in the last 2 weeks
theres a reason everybody but D1 CFB uses a playoff and not measures their champions by the season and 1 game
I'm a fake Buckeye because I love Ohio State more than I hate TSUN? That makes sense...
The regular season means more because it takes the best team to win the regular season crown, not just the hottest team. People don't remember the past Big Ten tournament champions as they remember the past best team in the Big Ten. Now, is the regular season better than the NCAA tournament, not a chance. Was Vanderbilt a better team last year than Kentucky because Vandy won the SEC tourney? Not quite. It is nice to win the tournament championship, but if I had to choose one, I'll take the regular season. A regular season championship and no conference tournament championship usually gets you a higher seed than not winning the regular season and winning the conference tournament.
You want scUM to win something relevant. Sounds like a fake Buckeye to me
The regular season means absolutley nothing when it comes to confrence tourniment or the big dance as long as you get in.
If the regular season is irrelevant, then why does it make me a fake Buckeye when I would want TSUN to win the regular season as long as tOSU wins as well? In the same post, you just said the regular season meant nothing right after you said it is relevant?
What makes it easier to win either tournament? A successful regular season gives you a better seed to make it an easier path in each tournament.
(and not trying to be a jerk, but just for future reference, it is spelled tournament, not tourniment)
because it still involves scUM winning something. I wouldn't even want someone from scUM to win a spelling bee. and it doesn't matter where you're seeded lots of upsets happen every year, you still gotta beat 6 teams in a row. You dont even know who you're playing that second week untill that monday, if you're team is still even in it
Ok, so you would rather have tOSU win nothing as long as TSUN wins nothing instead of both winning something? That clearly says you hate TSUN more than you love tOSU. I'm the opposite, I love tOSU more than I hate TSUN. To each their own.
And it does matter where you are seeded. In the 73 years of March Madness, no seed lower than the 8th seed has ever won it. So yes, it matters.
actually it clearly says i have my priorities in order. No one in their right mind who calls themselfs a Buckeye fan would want Michigan to win a damn thing, no matter how much you claim to like Ohio State. theres a reason Buckeye football fans say they'll be happy with 1-11 as long as they beat Michigan.
and No it has literally never in the history of basketball mattered where you get seeded, its all about Matchups
No Buckeye fan in their right mind can say they don't want the Buckeyes to win titles.
How can you argue against facts? It does matter! Yes, it is about matchups. How do you get good matchups though? You get seeded high!
Seeding has never once been measured by how one team matches up by another, its always been on who you've beaten durring the regular season
Actually I know ALOT of buckeye fans (maybe even a majority) that, in football at least, would much rather play a good Michigan team (meaning they've won something) than a Michigan team that's 0-11. It makes the rivalry all the more fun when both teams are good.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
You should learn how to read. i said most buckeye fans would be ok with going 1-11 as long as they beat Michigan. a very good majority, but nothing about Michigan being 0-11.
You said nobody in their right mind would ever want Michigan to win anything. Well I'm telling you that probably a majority of buckeye fans would rather have Michigan WIN everything then lose to us (11-1) rather than lose everytime they step on the field as you said. And if you're never cheering for them to win then you hope they'd be 0-11, therefore my statement makes complete sense
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
i see you still cant read @Triv
I'm reading perfectly fine, you just keep contradicting yourself. Originally, you said nobody in their right mind would cheer for Michigan to win anything. I countered that by saying that a vast majority of Buckeye fans want to see The Game in which both teams are successful, i.e. cheering for Michigan to win games not against the Buckeyes. I said very few people want to see an 0-11 Michigan team playing in The Game, as it diminishes the rivalry. While you did not explicitly say you want UM to be 0-11, you claimed you hope they never win anything.
So then you claim "Triv obviously you can't read" because you think I mistook your OSU 1-11 beating Michigan for wanting Michigan to be 0-11 entering The Game. Again, I can read perfectly fine. I know what you said, but you contradicted yourself. In saying that you don't want an 0-11 Michigan, you are going against what you said originally, which was you never want Michigan to win anything. You can't have both. Either you want UM to be good entering The Game to make it more satisfying when OSU wins (majority of OSU fans) or you want Michigan to never win a damn thing ever (Your point of view, which I respect btw). But you can't have a Michigan team that never wins that IS NOT 0-11. So technically you did say you would rather see an 0-11 Michigan team playing in The Game.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Triv,
You might as well give it up. It really isn't worth it. I think the majority agree with you and myself. This guy will just keep contradicting himself and not listen to other's point of views. I moved on, and I advise you to as well. Just isn't worth it.
Show of hands...
Who would rather go 11-1 and lose to Michigan?
Who would rather go 1-11 and beat Michigan?
I get the vibe that most of you will be pretty darn upset if OSU doesn't go undefeated this season, so I can't fathom many of you choosing option B.
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
Option B is an impossibility. At least with Urban Meyer as coach.
We had option A. It was called the 1990s. And I hated it. Neither one of those are acceptable options, and Urban Meyer will tell you so. But Option B is damn near impossible.
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
Everyone always says that they could go 1-11 and if that one win was tsun, it would be an ok season.
I don't buy that. Yes, it would absolutely crush me if we went undefeated just to lose against those guys. But there's no way I would take a 1-11 regular season over an 11-1 season
Anyone who says they would is just crazy IMO
College football is totally different for the reason that you just stated. College basketball is a marathon not a sprint and the regular season title is way more important than the tournament. Also if you are honestly rooting for Indiana knowing that if they win we don't win a big ten title that is nuts and honestly makes you a fake buckeye because who in the hell wouldn't want a conference title.
LOL wrong
not 1 single buckeye fan is allowed to call themselfs a buckeye fan for rooting for scUM no matter how much it helps Ohio State. its an absolute disgrace and pathetic. i wont ever root for scUM to win a damn thing in my lifetime. not even a single game.
No it isn't every real buckeye will be pulling for them because it helps OSU period.
And here we are again with contradictions! Yay for making different points in separate posts that go against each other!
Earlier in the thread you tried to tell me I couldn't read because I called you out for wanting Michigan to go 0-11. You claimed you never said that you wanted an 0-11 Michigan team. But if you're not wanting them to "win a damn thing in your lifetime" then how do you expect them to be anything other than 0-11?
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
seriously you're reading comprehention skills are sub-par
i never said i wanted Michigan to go 0-11, it has nothing to do with the later statement whatsoever
Seriously, your grammar and punctuation skills are sub-par.
I know that most people disagree with you, but that doesn't mean that they are wrong. It doesn't mean that you are wrong. People are entitled to their opinion. If you want to cheer for Ohio State to NOT win the B1G championship, that's completely up to you.
You clearly have a different understanding of what "I never want UM to win a damn thing" means than everyone else. It's humanly impossible for a team to never win and be anything other than 0-11.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I root for TSUN all the time, what's the big deal? (disclaimer: I'm a lifelong UM fan)
In all seriousness, rooting for your enemy when it benefits your team isn't bad once you get used to it. I rooted for OSU last night to beat Indiana and didn't feel the least bit guilty about it because Michigan was a major beneficiary of OSU's win. Now, if Michigan had nothing on the line either way? I'm probably rooting for Indiana. I say "probably" because the thought of openly endorsing a Tom Crean coached team makes me physically ill.
60% of the time it works.....every time
My hope is this:
Purdue beats TSUN
TSUN beats Indiana
Lightning strikes twice and Penn State beats Wisconsin
Wisconsin beats MSU
OSU beats Illinois
Two-way tie with Indiana. Wisconsin, MSU, and TSUN are left with nothing. NOTHING! Bwahahaha
Class of 2010.
Root for whatever scenario you want to happen although I am rooting for Purdue tonight before we address rooting for UM. Boiler Up!
Ohio State's band SLAUGHTERED Michigan's band. If this were a football game, it would have been Florida State vs. Savannah State. - SB Nation following OSU vs. UM 2012
i wanted to comment on this sooner but your excel sheet gave me a seizure. Excellent break down. I want scenario #10 please.
Fitzbuck
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".
I want the other option that puts Michigan, MSU, and Indiana in the other end of the backet.
Purdue up by 4 at halftime
Just win baby!
~Naples Buckeye - "May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George S. Patton, Jr.
Purdue up 43-34, uh oh
Man Michigan has gotten lucky, winning off a bad pass 2 games in a row
After the game against Purdon't, I wouldn't be surprised if Indiana beat them by 10 or more.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Go Blue, yeah I said it. We blew our chance to win the bloody thing outright, so they can be an accessory to our regular season title any day of the week. Hell, I don't mind if we share it, I'm not about to cut off my nose to spite my face.
A regular season title maintains OSU's status as one of the premiere B1G squads, maintaining that status keeps us on top recruits' minds, and maintaining a good influx of talent is key to winning consistently, which wins you B1G titles, which maintains your status as a premiere B1G squad...
Michigan's yet to prove themselves as an annual contender, and regardless of how they do this season, their improvement depends solely upon finding a successor to Burke. They're still behind MSU and OSU for the recruits we regularly compete for, and a shared title amongst them is not going to change that.
As usual, you make a great point Hodge, but don't you feel dirty?
"Here officer, hold my beer while I find my license."
Yeah, but another B1G title really helps assuage that cognitive dissonance.
Amen Hodge.
Regular Season Championship > B1G Tournament Championship
And four in a row, regardless of being shared or not, is quite an accomplishment in one of the top 2 or 3 conferences year in and year out.
In fact, 4 in a row has only happened 3 times in the last, like, 100 years. And every team that has done it has won a National Championship within that time. I'm talking about AMAZING teams.
OSU won 5 in a row from 60'-64' with teams that included Jerry Lucas, John Havlicek.
Indiana did it from 73'-76' when Bob Knight was tearing it up
And Michigan State did it from 98'-01' when they had 2 Final Fours and 1 NCAA championship. With players like Mateen Cleaves and Jason Richardson.
I would say that's pretty good company to be in..
It's one thing to say you want Indiana to lose, but this whole "Go B***" thing is taking it too far.
"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.
Exactly. I'm rooting for Indiana to lose not for UM to win.
I don't think there is any problem rooting for your rival to win as long as it benefits your team.
I took the liberty of updating that spreadsheet.
Edit: Not very well, I might add.
Thanks, this is cool. But it does seem weird that Wisky has a much better chance at top seed than we do. I'm just glad we are in the top 4 and get the bye. And lots of opportunities to be a #2 seed.
Yeah I actually messed it up.
Wisconsin (after losing last night) has no chance at a #1 seed. Indiana is actually guaranteed the #1 seed now.
Sorry for the mistake
Actually, just disregard this haha.. It should only be the bottom half.
My Microsoft Paint skills are lacking : \
Here let's try this....
Would like Indiana to lose. That is what the theme of the rooting will be. Having said that and taking into account what their opponent will have to do to win, I do not have much faith in that happening. If Burke has an off day they lose by double digits. Maybe Zeller will have his mind on beating his man and grab Ted Valentines arm by mistake, ramming it into his groin, ala Derrick Nix, and get ejected....
Honestly, it's irrelevant to me who wins or loses the IU/Michigan game because either way Ohio State's fate is exactly the same if they beat Illinois. They get a 2 seed in the B1G tournament. That, to me is much more important than a shared regular season Big 10 title. If it happens to work out that way, cool.
I have to disagree.
I, personally, think a regular season championship is greater than a tournament championship.
Any team can get hot and win a tournament. You also don't have to play all of the teams in the conference to win it.
To have the best record in the best conference in the country after playing every single team is a bigger accomplishment to me.
the answer to that question, i have never rooted for aacc and i will never root for aacc. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i wish they would lose every game in every sport.
Here's a football scenario for you...
Let's say that somehow, Michigan is playing Wisconsin in the Big Ten Championship and Wisconsin is ranked #2 in the country. All Wisconsin has to do is win and they are in the National Championship game.
Now, let's say that Ohio State is ranked 3rd at that point. Now I'm not going to go into how this could happen logically or who else is ranked #4 or #5 or #1... I know it's not likely but it could happen.
So, in this case IF Michigan wins, Ohio State would move into that 2nd spot and play for a National Championship. IF Michigan loses, Wisconsin goes to the National Championship and OSU goes to a meaningless BCS bowl.
You're telling me, in that case, you wouldn't cheer for Michigan to beat Wisconsin??
Or if you want to play the playoff game than just substitute "National Championship" with "Playoffs". Bottom line - Michigan wins, we are in the National Championship/Playoffs.
This scenario is probably more probable in a playoff setting anyway.
Bump.... Umm Not sure who to root for!
Ohio State's band SLAUGHTERED Michigan's band. If this were a football game, it would have been Florida State vs. Savannah State. - SB Nation following OSU vs. UM 2012
This^^ I'm sooo torn I honestly don't think I can bring myself to root for those assholes
"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault."
--Jack Tatum
I say what happens happens. Win the Big 10 tourney (again) and it won't matter.
We can't win and we can't lose. Crean is the biggest asshole in college hoops and well, scUM is scUM.
I can't believe I don't have more company in my misery of rooting for scUM. Damn this is hard.
That was unfortunate for us lol.
Way to f it up Skunkbears!
Well, that about sucked.
"Success - it's what you do with what you got" - Woody Hayes
Wolverqueens choking.. nothing new. Damn them. Oh well, they still lost and finish below us. Got the 2 seed.
That is the best part of this. Anytime they lose it is a good day. Just too bad the asshole Crean won.
They can back into them like last year. Can't win them on their own though. They can win tweeting or flapping their gums contests, other than that you can forget it. Here come the excuses.