Really Chuck?

Barkley just said the Mountain west and Pac 12 is better than the BIG. Again just like last year having the TNT guys involved in the tourney is a travesty.

buckeyeguy0615 on 17 Mar 2013 - 5:52pm #

I was about to post this. What an idiot, calling the Big Ten overrated

Bucks43201 on 17 Mar 2013 - 5:54pm #

Chuck is a moron. I swear he becomes more and more dumb every year.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

Earle on 17 Mar 2013 - 5:56pm #

C'mon, did you really expect anything remotely intelligent to come out of Chuck's mouth?

KJR10 on 17 Mar 2013 - 5:57pm #

He's just mad because he doesn't have a ring.

B-b-b-but Michael got one (6), why can't I ?

Sadface :(

GoldenBearBuckeye on 17 Mar 2013 - 5:59pm #

Love to hear Fat Chucky talk about how his SEC looks

gobucks96 on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:00pm #

He's all about creating conversation.... and getting people to talk about him.

faux_maestro on 17 Mar 2013 - 7:12pm #

ESPiN should pick him up in that case.

hodge on 17 Mar 2013 - 10:37pm #

Today on ESPN's First Take:

Charles, Stephen, and Skip commit murder-suicide.

bigbadbuck on 22 Mar 2013 - 12:37am #

Don't forget Mark May as well

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.

captain obvious on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:00pm #

Between Michigan and Indiana there are 5 first round picks next year, 3 lottery. Neither one of those teams were in the BIG finals. I'd take Indy, wisky, SCUM, Sparty and tOSU against any top 5 con teams in the country. Then to have 2nd tier teams like Illinois, Iowa and Minnesota its not close.

CHUCK STFU

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

BUCKfutter on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:00pm #

charles barkley is to basketball what mark may is to football

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

captain obvious on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:04pm #

yep that powerful PAC 12 conference winner got a 12th seed

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OSUnathen on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:08pm #

I thought Chuck was cutting back on the drinking?

sathey on 24 Mar 2013 - 4:23pm #

Slur Charles!

rdubs on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:09pm #

Explains his gambling losses... hard to win if you don't know anything.

sirclovis on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:10pm #

I love when he said Michigan had talent twice... The dude has to be under the influence of some type of substance

NoVA Buckeye on 17 Mar 2013 - 10:46pm #

Michigan has incredible talent, no question.

Their team chemistry on the other hand is another story...

/Duff'd It

captain obvious on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:13pm #

UNC 8th seed

wow Kansas gets Roy in the 2nd round

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captain obvious on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:13pm #

the drug bust does not bode well on Akron U

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

captain obvious on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:17pm #

Michigan 5th seed in their conference tourney 4th seed in the NCAA tourney. Well thought out CHUCK

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

buckeyeguy0615 on 17 Mar 2013 - 6:20pm #

Then Doug Gottlieb goes on to say that Valparaiso will beat Mich St. Worst group of analysts for basketball I've ever seen. Why have we heard that we're the best conference all season and all of a sudden, we're overrated now? Cool.

Adam21 on 17 Mar 2013 - 8:35pm #

There is no way MSU loses to Valparaiso. And, I type this while wearing a Valpo Basketball shirt...

GoldenBearBuckeye on 17 Mar 2013 - 8:44pm #

Yep. Izzo is the very best at winning the first game of the tournament. This is not one of his better-built teams, but the sun will rise in the east, and Sparty will win its first tourney game

Nick on 17 Mar 2013 - 8:46pm #

And this is a home game for Sparty, isn't it @Auburn Hills?

Adam21 on 17 Mar 2013 - 9:33pm #

Yes, yes it is.

buckeyemitchell on 17 Mar 2013 - 7:16pm #

i dont have a problem with charles barkley i think he is one of the funniest, self aware, and socially conscious athletes of all time. I just dont think he knows what he is talking about here. and a sidenote not every analyst is out to get ohio state, it just easy to have a target on your back when youre the best

Indy_Buck87 on 17 Mar 2013 - 8:09pm #

Barkley needs to reach around his back and grab his panties and pull them up over his head and then run through a plate glass window for a comment like that.

I know of only two things that are infinite, space and human stupidity.....and I'm not sure about space". Albert Einstein.

Nkohl13 on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:27pm #

Thank you for the visual.

ShowThemOhiosHere on 17 Mar 2013 - 8:46pm #

I know some people are really high on the Mountain West. It is a very good league, no doubt. But the PAC 12!?!?!? I believe the selection committee would disagree there. OSU would've won that league no problem.

Class of 2010.

Adam21 on 17 Mar 2013 - 9:33pm #

Hence why Oregon received a 12 seed.

IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY on 17 Mar 2013 - 9:16pm #

The village idiot always gets the best ratings.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Greatest.Civil.War.Analogy.Ever

Poison nuts on 22 Mar 2013 - 12:43am #

^This.

The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.

Buckeyevstheworld on 17 Mar 2013 - 10:23pm #

Barkley also said the Big East was overrated in 2011. UConn went on to win it all.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

NoVA Buckeye on 17 Mar 2013 - 10:47pm #

It's St. Paddy's day. The teleprompters may just be under the influence.

/Duff'd It

captain obvious on 22 Mar 2013 - 12:24am #

Right on Chuck the Mountain West is the best conference until their best team runs into that Buzzsaw Harvard.

1-3 so far

#MWC1stdayfail

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DetroitBuckeye on 22 Mar 2013 - 12:41am #

He is a real cool dude, but he's more of a pro basketball guy. The college and the pro game are very different, he doesn't understand that.

GR8TBUCKS on 22 Mar 2013 - 2:53am #

Barkley is still mad at Knight for cutting him from the olympic squad that won the gold.

MY BUTT'S SO BIG, I SPLIT MY PJ BOTTOMS

captain obvious on 24 Mar 2013 - 2:47pm #

Again Chuck proven to be clueless

It was a charge

It was out on Iowa State

STFU about the bad call

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captain obvious on 24 Mar 2013 - 2:49pm #

he got the call right period

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BuckI_1033 on 24 Mar 2013 - 2:58pm #

It's a clear block, you're wrong on that. He clearly got the call wrong, but yes bad calls both ways. Always a ton of "ifs" in sports.

"You'll be proud of our young people in the classroom, in the community, and most especially in 310 days in Ann Arbor, Michigan on the football field."

d5k on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:14pm #

It was a clear block. You don't even need the restricted area to call that a block imo and that is the worst officiated call in college basketball I think. But there were just as many if not more bad calls against us. But they don't even look at whether the defender is there in time, only at their feet due to the restricted area. Clyburn is in the air when Craft slides underneath him. Like I said this happens a couple times every game. I'd say only about 50% of the called charges are actual charges and they rarely call it wrong the other direction (call a block when it should be a charge).

penult on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:33pm #

It was not a clear block. Craft was set and squared. Say what you want about the restriction line but the rest was a textbook charge. Nowhere near the "worst officiated call in college basketball." And how can it be the worst if there were worse calls against Ohio State?

Lenzelle Smith Jr got called for two fouls for boxing out. Iowa State had maybe six points in the paint in the second half. They shot mostly jumpers and threes. Yet, with over 8 minutes to go in the second half they were in the bonus and in the double bonus with about 5 to go. How? They don't play a style to draw that many fouls.

BuckI_1033 on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:35pm #

He cut underneath him after he jumped to lay it up, that's an automatic block. There's nothing wrong with admitting that. To win 6 in a row you'll need some breaks.

"You'll be proud of our young people in the classroom, in the community, and most especially in 310 days in Ann Arbor, Michigan on the football field."

d5k on 24 Mar 2013 - 6:25pm #

Exactly, and I thought it was obvious I meant in general the block/charge call goes to the defense too much. Craft was still moving when Clyburn was already going up and his lower body is undercutting Clyburn. But yeah, the discussion was overblown since there was still lots of time left (we would've extended the game and played the free throw game possibly but still had plenty of opportunity to win) and there were lots of other calls.

penult on 24 Mar 2013 - 6:52pm #

D5K you need to watch the replay again. I linked it below. At 29 seconds you can clearly see that Craft has his feet set before Clyburn finishes his two-foot jump stop. He is set well before Clyburn leaves his feet again.

d5k on 24 Mar 2013 - 7:00pm #

I think you need to watch his legs closely as they are still moving (i.e. trying to get his feet outside the restricted area) even though his upper body is square. Obviously Craft is good at operating on the edge of the rule book and that is awesome I just think the rule book should change.

Watched it again, I have no idea what you are seeing.

penult on 24 Mar 2013 - 7:20pm #

Craft with his feet set. All he does from there is stand up straight. Clyburn still has one foot on the floor. If Craft picks up his heel from there, so what? He is in position in front of the player with the ball before the player with the ball leaves his feet. It is a charge. The ref was in great position, he made the call as he saw it.

d5k on 24 Mar 2013 - 7:25pm #

If you subsequently "stand up straight" you are not set. And if "standing up straight" is within the realm of "already set" I'm not sure how still having a toenail on the ground isn't being in the air going up for a shot. Not sure how you are twisting physics here. Yes the ref made the call as he saw it, and it was one of many incorrect calls in this game. But it shouldn't have been as big a deal as Chuck made it.

As part of my larger point about charges, what is Clyburn supposed to do? Does he have a realistic chance of changing his path or avoiding Craft? I think that should be the standard of block/charge. If a defender jumps in front of you and you do not have enough time within reason to adjust your path to the basket then it should be a block in my opinion. Of course this is not how they call it in college.

Adam21 on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:57pm #

I don't think he was saying that specific play was the worst officiated call in college basketball. I think he was saying the block/call charge in general is the worst, and I would agree with him.

On that call specifically, I don't think it is so cut and dry as most make it out to be. I think it could've been called either way, making half the fans love it and other half hate it no matter which way the call went. I would definitely agree that this was not the best officiated game in this tournament, if not the worst.

penult on 24 Mar 2013 - 4:07pm #

Thank you, I may have read that wrong.

i just watched the play four more times. Craft's feet were set before Clyburn jumped. He is wrong about it being a bad call aside from the restriction line. Watch it again, his feet were set before Clyburn left his feet.

The only reason the call is being talked about is because Charles Barkley is an asshat. Iowa State didn't make any mistakes? The refs didn't make any other bad calls? Really? Why focus on that one call? It's pathetic and shouldn't even be discussed this much.

penult on 24 Mar 2013 - 4:30pm #

At :29 you can clearly see Craft is set while Clyburn is still coming to a two-foot jump stop.

John Adams, head of NCAA officials, also explicitly states there is no definitive evidence that Craft's heel is above the line. There is no good evidence this was a wrong call. It's controversial, but should not have even been a talking point.

In case embedded video doesn't work, link here: http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/collegebasketball/OLp1XQCUbJjL

d5k on 24 Mar 2013 - 6:56pm #

I agree, I was merely stating that that call would be one of a thousand calls that I could paste together to demonstrate how they should re-evaluate the way they call charges. I would like the offensive player to get the benefit of the doubt.

lljjgg on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:40pm #

I can't speak to that play (thought it was a decent call), but that was one of the more over-officiated games I've seen in awhile. They were calling EVERYTHING, even the most borderline, ticky-tacky stuff (like that loose-ball foul on Scott iirc). Let the players play. I'm not a fan of these games where a foul is being called on every borderline play -- completely halts momentum, doesn't allow the game to develop naturally. Makes me feel like the refs want to impose themselves on the game, which shouldn't be happening.

EvanstonBuckeye on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:56pm #

Exactly. Too busy of a day for the refs. I see where you want to set the tone in certain areas: up top with screens, on driving the lane (using your arm to clear vs. taking charges) in the paint obviously, etc. The refs got caught up in the type of game where, as a fan, you start keeping score of who is getting what calls (we got the charge on Craft, they got the loose ball call on Scott) instead of gauging who is doing a better job with possessions. It was messy early, messy throughout.

BuckeyeTrappedI... on 24 Mar 2013 - 2:50pm #

Wow Chuck cannot stand OSU or the B1G! He says the refs cost Iowa State the game, not good play by OSU. What a joke!

Jim Tressel vs. Rich Rod = Urban Meyer vs. Brady Hoke

bucknut12 on 24 Mar 2013 - 2:53pm #

Barkley says refs dictated outcome of the game

Rickb25 on 24 Mar 2013 - 2:54pm #

Chuck is clueless, there were several calls earlier when Lenzelle had rebounding position and he was called for fouls that put Iowa State on the free throw line. There were a lot of touch fouls called on Ohio State and they did not call a lot of fouls called on Iowa State, Ross hit a three and was knocked on his but and no foul called, like Greg Anthony said there were many miss calls during the game, including a bogus technical that slowed an OSU run in the first half.

Sofa Kingdom on 24 Mar 2013 - 2:54pm #

johnblairgobucks on 24 Mar 2013 - 2:56pm #

If Charles is getting paid for his analysis, CBS needs to ask for their money back.

If CBS is asking Charles to be a numbskull/buffoon, who has LouHoltz's speak issues, they are under paying him.

captain obvious on 24 Mar 2013 - 2:58pm #

I've lost all respect for Chuck. He has no business being on TV.

Chuck sit there have few more drinks

do a few more weight loss commercials

still be fat

have zero rings

and STFU

I'm a friend of thunder is it any wonder lightning strikes me

FitzBuck on 24 Mar 2013 - 6:52pm #

And don't forget his love of HOOKERS!

if mark may = wears Woman's underwear

then Charles = loves hookers.

Fitzbuck
Toledo - Ohio's right armpit
"A troll by any other name is still a troll".

captain obvious on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:00pm #

#letitgo

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Menexenus on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:03pm #

At least his co-commentators have been giving him crap about it. They are calling him on his BS and asking him what he will do if more than 4 Big Ten teams make it to the Sweet Sixteen. That question shut him up pretty effectively.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

RollBucks on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:17pm #

The crazy thing is, it didn't shut him up. He just kept saying that there were two losses coming for the big ten today. I think that was his response 3 times in a row. Yes our #6 and #8 teams in the league are going to have a tough time making the sweet sixteen. But if they don't win then the league is horrible I guess.

Roll with it.

lljjgg on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:07pm #

Chuck -- obviously didn't watch any games prior to the tournament, his B1G calls have been a bust, his dark horses (New Mexico?) have been a bust.
Kenny Smith -- can't get names right for crying out loud. Alan Craft? Olapido (twice)?

Need to keep this crew on NBA coverage. Greg Anthony and Gumbel are the only ones up there who sound like they know what they're talking about.

RollBucks on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:19pm #

I noticed that Kenny doesn't really say a whole lot during the college broadcasts and Chuck has admitted that living on the west coast he really only watches PAC 12 games, so good choice as for the team picked to cover the final four, really made a smart choice for the fans.

Roll with it.

bigbadbuck on 24 Mar 2013 - 5:34pm #

and im guessing if he continues to be fat the way he is his pants are soon to be a bust too.........

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.

AngryWoody on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:35pm #

Our honor Defend!

d1145fresh on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:35pm #

I actually really like Chuck but he just simply doesn't know college basketball. When you job is to cover the NBA every night you aren't going to get to watch a lot of college basketball. I am hoping as fewer announcing teams are needed that someone like Gotlieb can get back into the studio. Love him or hate him he knows college basketball inside and out.

LouGroza on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:36pm #

Seth Davis gets it:

So now people want to start reviewing block/charge calls on the monitor? That's brilliant. Maybe the games should take 4 hours?

— Seth Davis (@SethDavisHoops) March 24, 2013

Jelligrim on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:36pm #

How does someone who speaks incoherently get a job as a color analyist?

Toilrt Paper on 24 Mar 2013 - 3:38pm #

They feel sorry for him, he's gambled away most of his money. AND he doesn't mind being controversial to a fault,

MN Buckeye on 24 Mar 2013 - 4:10pm #

(just posted this in another thread, but this thread is more relevant)

Barkley: babble, babble, babble, one side, the other side, babble, babble, turrible, babble, babble, blah blah blah, don't wanna hate but . . . , babble, turrible, babble, whatever I am getting paid, where am I?, babble, babble, Craft, blah blah blah, referees, babble, babble, that school, babble, damn I put $250Gs on ISU, babble, babble, babble, turrible . . .

Bucks43201 on 24 Mar 2013 - 4:13pm #

I think it's pretty clear Chuck bet the moneyline on ISU, based on his pure hatred for OSU/any B1G team...and now he just can't let it go that he lost.

p.s. - I mean this in all sincerity, not as a joke.

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

toad1204 on 24 Mar 2013 - 4:18pm #

Nothing like dancing on the field in 02...

bigbadbuck on 24 Mar 2013 - 5:40pm #

Yes Charles you are with a capital DUMBASS.............

Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.

lljjgg on 24 Mar 2013 - 5:24pm #

One thought that I felt deserved to be brought up:
Why do people hate the SEC in football? Not just because of the wins, but because of the publicity they get. They are seen as the premiere conference not just because of wins, but because of air-time.

Has anyone else heard a conference other than the B1G getting more than 5 minutes of air-time during round-table discussion this March Madness? I haven't. Chuck being a hater is fine, everytime he bashes the B1G he's giving us more publicity, more air-time, and reputation continues to build. B1G love, B1G hate, it's all publicity! Just a thought to keep in mind when Barkley gets on your nerves.

MattaTheMan on 24 Mar 2013 - 6:06pm #

That Capital One commercial, where he is commentating for the fourth graders driveway game. That I'd meant to be funny, but it is pretty spot on. More of his mental age group!

Sgt. Elias Mod on 24 Mar 2013 - 6:37pm #

TAKE ON ME BRO

"You have to slay the selfish beast inside of you and be your brother's keeper" - Chris Spielman, on being a great teammate

cplunk on 24 Mar 2013 - 6:41pm #

Two things:

1) after the charge call, Aaron Craft promptly missed the start of the one-and-one and Iowa State got the rebound. That means Iowa State had the same score, and possession, with no time off the clock.

2) Four teams from the same conference in the sweet sixteen has happened five times in all of recorded history. Only five times. I realize it used to be a smaller tournie, but still.

RollBucks on 24 Mar 2013 - 7:01pm #

Yeah def not looking good for Minnesota making it five.

Roll with it.

penult on 24 Mar 2013 - 7:19pm #

Iowa State turned the ball over with the game tied at 75. Deshaun Thomas made a read on play Iowa State had run several times successfully in the second half. DT read it and tipped it to Scott. Maybe the best defensive play he has made at OSU. Props to him for that.

Iowa State also missed the defensive rebound on the next possession. I thought it was off DT but the replay showed it was off Ejim. That's two examples of how ISU blew it when they had a chance after the charge call. I'm sure there are more examples.

buckeyeguy0615 on 24 Mar 2013 - 7:22pm #

And we can't forget Craft's steal near halfcourt that would have been a fastbreak and easy 2 points. Also called a foul.

d5k on 24 Mar 2013 - 7:29pm #

They definitely called the reaches on Craft/Scott more than we are used to. This is one of the worries of the NCAA tournament. The refs are not used to these types of guards unless they called Louisville games in the Big East. They can sometimes assume there is a foul on a reach. I think they got 1 or 2 of the reach calls correct but there were a couple terrible calls.