Could you please have two? One, like normal, and have another one for the posters who only have negative things to say about the team and it's players, most of us are hoping plays well and wins.
or
as much as I thought I was mentally tough enough to never let it bother me, could 11W develop some sort or "ignore poster" feature, where certain individuals comments didn't have to be read? I enjoy watching the basketball games and interacting with most of 11W population, but the Constant- Game Long-Negative Comments from some, is making the Game Open Forum have the feel of a being over at a friends house, that has a couple asshole friends over, that makes me feel like leaving to watch the game somewhere else. I'll be able to tell by the upvotes/downvotes given, whether I should just stay off the Game Open Forum during the game, or that maybe I'm not alone.
People express passion and grief differently. The criticism likely comes from the love for the Buckeyes. I think you're gonna have to deal with it.
There is "expressing passion and grief" and then there is straight up flaming/insulting the team and coaching staff. The prior is fine as long as it is kept in perspective. The latter is what the OP is talking about. I've started avoiding game threads for this reason. I love talking basketball and watching with people, but there are too many people who only comment when something doesn't go right. I support the idea of an ignore button.
Reading through the thread, Philly was out of line. Jax got hammered but offered some detail and thought. 90% is positive. You can't ignore a few? Toughen up.
I really like to read each post and comment. It's not about toughening up, imo. It's a matter of taste. If I was thirsty for a glass of milk, and there were only spoiled milk in my fridge, I wouldn't toughen, and drink the spoiled milk , I'd probably go find some fresh milk that tasted good and was healthy. Maybe that isn't a good example/reference. If that's how the Open Forum is going to roll, I'll do without, even though I rather take part.... some of these fans constantly post stuff Michigan fans wouldn't stoop so low as to say about us, if we were playing.
You being as argumentative as you are is no better. Hell, you're jumping in and doing it here. Let it go.
lol. nice display of comprehension skills. Explaining oneself isn't being argumentative. Calling out constant criticism of something we are supposed to be enjoying, isn't the same as saying there should be NO criticism. A little perspective, goes a long way. Sometimes the agony of defeat, enhances the hopeful thrill of victory.
Man, I love the Buckeyes. I enjoy watching them play..... strive to win. Kind of annoying having a few boo-birds constantly putting them down, for what they are not. Are you a Mark May fan?
The boos aren't for the Buckeyes. They are for you. Stop being such an argumentative prick and you might understand that.
Who am I arguing with? I don't get it?
I asked the staff for something, and called no-one out by name. I'm sorry you don't understand the request that this forum topic asked for.
You asked for opinions, got one that opposed your own, then started arguing up and down, talking about glasses of milk and comprehension skills. Stop attacking everyone on here that has an opinion different from yours.
dude, I like to have my opinions and thoughts clearly stated and understood. It's frustrating when things get all jumbled up, when it should be easy to have simple communication. I don't know where you are coming from, and unfortunately I will not respond to another of your comments. You seem agitated, and frankly a little too high strung for where I was/am going. Tootles.
Knar,
the down votes for your posts should tell you everything you need to know. The people on this site are the biggest Homers and shout you down if you dare hold a view contrary to their's. What an embarrassment. Free speech as long as your speech is aligned with MINE.
You're the one doing the attacking. Enjoy the downvotes.
Class of 2010.
Another brilliant post. Yes, I created a thread because I didn't agree with someone else's view.
Here's a tidbit of Jax's "analysis." It's some BASHING.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with these points, but calling Buckeyes a "bonehead" or "absolute stiff" isn't constructive or meaningful. When you say a Buckeye player "must really suck," how is that intelligent?
Sorry to focus on Jax (I didn't downvote anything), as there were many other posts similar by others. And to be fair, Jax did have some positive. Another poster, KR66, was actually much worse.
I defnitely understand the frustrating side of our beloved Bucks when they play bad, but c'mon...this is our team!
To have meaningful discussions about the Bucks on this site, there inevitably HAS to be both negative and positive comments. But the negative comments can be insightful and constructive, not hating.
Sorry, just my humble opinion. But I guess I kinda agree with this forum post to some degree.
Agree, but the guy is venting. I guess I expect people to get that. And if not, let it go. Don't bash the basher and prolonging the argument. The site here is for all types. A little naive to think it' rah rah Buckeyes all the time and senseless to chase these people down.
I defnitely get the notion to just let things go, and read what you want etc., but I think most would agree, including staff, that one central purpose of this site is meaningful discussion. I don't expect "rah rah Buckeyes" all the time, but one could say "Amir needs more intensity!" instead of "absolute stiff." Constructive versus bashing. Meaningful versus "You suck. No, YOU suck!"
It physically hurts my head to read comments on Yahoo Sports articles, for example. I don't want my head to hurt here. And sometimes we come close... But usually we get stats, insight, respect, and love for the Buckeyes - that's what drew me to 11W and what makes it the best damn sports site I've ever been to!
I don't go out of my way to bash the basher, so to speak, but this specific post is ABOUT the bashing, so, hence my comment. Go Bucks, y'all!
you may have said what I was attempting to get across, in a better way. I'm not perfect, I don't expect others to be perfect (except the wife and kids), OSU players and coaches aren't perfect. Criticism is expected. Saying a player sucks, or a coach is clueless, because they fumble a ball/pass or make the wrong call, isn't criticism, it's just a degrading comment. telling what a player/coach did wrong and how they should improve is criticism.
Saying Amir Williams and Lenzelle Smith are horrible, does nothing, but vent the poster's frustration. Saying Thad Matta can't coach, is a trolling, ridiculous statement.
How many times must you hear about Matta never winning a Big Game? OSU beating Syracuse in the Tourney last year wasn't Big? OSU dismantling Duke last year wasn't Big? Watching replays of Ron Lewis's jumpers vs Xavier a few years back, still give me goose bumps!! That was a Big Win!
Let's have a little perspective here. Asinine comments about how OSU sucks, isn't fun/educational to read. I'd rather be able to have an ignore feature, and avoid this.
@JohnBlair,
so you are taking it upon yourself to be the comment police? If someone doesn't offer "constructive" comments then they are a pariah and need to have a different thread? News flash Einstein, there are QUITE a few posts on this website on a daily basis that offer absolutely NOTHING constructive. What a freaking baby!
look brother, I've gone to lengths trying to make it crystal clear, that I don't want people to curb their opinions. This thread is an attempt to ask the 11W staff to either create an "ignore user" feature or have 2 Men's Basketball Open threads (one for + and one for -). I'd really appreciate a way to avoid Pointless Buckeye Bashing on a Buckeye Website.
Are you Mark May by chance?
Well brother, why SHOULD they create an ignore button? All you have to do is ignore what you read. Does it REALLY penetrate your soul when someone writes something that offends you? And I use that term VERY loosely. I didn't say anything racist, inciting, etc. Honestly, how can you even function in society?
what's that?
Knar,
you nailed it. There actually WAS some information in the post but it was done to vent and through hyperbole. It's laughable that people would get their panties in a bunch because it wasn't in THEIR preferred form.
I call my brother a bonehead when he does something boneheaded. According to SOME, this means I truly feel that way. Can't believe I have to actually defend myself over this. Ridiculous.
@ LadyBuck,
So is this Communism or Sharia law that you want to impose? Lordy, lordy don't EVER insult the team or staff or you will be caned. Try using YOUR ignore button and grow up!
point of this thread is to help stimulate growth of an ignore user feature..... currently we don't have that option on 11W.
Yeah, I understand your sentiment. I actually stopped visiting the site during football games. I just couldn't take it anymore. I would be watching the game and we would either be down by a little or up by a little and you would think we were down by 40. I hate to say this but I usually just avoid the site during games instead of being confrontational. Although I would really like to be here hanging with the majority of like minded positive people the others just drown them out in a sea of vitriol. After all I live in Washington state and there aren't very many of us Buckeyes out here to hang with. Go Bucks!
I guess you are right that we will find out for sure what to do with either up votes or down votes.
The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender. - Woody Hayes
Well said. Agreed. There will be some "frustration" and "critical" comments and that's cool and beneficial to meanginful discussions - but when it's straight bashing, it's annoying. There are a lot of positive "Rah!" comments too, though.
I tend to traffic lightly in live/open game threads. I'm usually too caught up in the game to take the time to read and make comments, but it's also because the commentary is not at the same level as the other threads on 11W.
And I'm not putting myself above that complaint. If I'm being honest with myself, I know that if I jotted down all my immediate gut-level reactions to every disappointing play, I'd probably sound like one of the bitterest cranks on this site. After the game, when I get a little distance from the moment - even after crushing losses - my rational side takes back over and I'm able to put things in better perspective.
When I do occasionally drop into live/open game threads, it's to trade one-liners during timeouts and other breaks in the action, but I also get to read comments from a few who seem to only show up there (e.g., Idaho Helga).
Once again I find myself agreeing with the venerable Fido. I tend to avoid the open threads because, by their very nature, they don't engender the type of erudite discourse typically found only at 11W.
And likewise, I'd probably tend to sound like one of the anti-fans, because I am frequently critical of this team, and of our coaching staff in general. I'm a huge Buckeye roundball fan, of course, and don't actually have anything but warm and fuzzy feelings for the team and staff, but there are valid reasons for criticism and valid reasons to feel disappointed about various aspects of any given game. Let's face it: this season has had some VERY high highs, and some VERY low lows, right?
Open threads can be fun and they can be maddening. My advice? Take them for what they are: a bunch of people sitting around the TV spouting off the first thing that pops into their heads in the moment. How much thought ever goes in to those kind of comments? Ergo, let 'em live, and let it go.
Andy, good advice, as usual - either avoid open/live game threads or take them for what they are.
And I can also relate to JohnBlair's comment about it being no fun to sit around experiencing a game - either literally, or virtually (in the live game thread) - with fellow fans who are screaming negative nellie stuff at the t.v. every eight seconds.
Maybe there's a double standard of sorts: it's fine for us to think very harsh critical thoughts about the team and even scream them aloud, when we're watching the game by our lonesomes, in the privacy of our own family rooms, etc. But when the buddies are over, they probably don't want to hear it - even though some of them probably scream at the t.v., too, when they're watching the game solo at home.
Definitely think we have a double standard... It's the old "I can kick my dog, but you can't kick my dog" philosophy... (No one should kick their dog, of course, it's just a saying I've always heard.)
I used to think about this with my younger brother when we were kids. He'd talk crap about me to his buddies because he was a tough guy, but if one of them spoke out of turn about me, he'd black their eye. Always cracked me up. (We're best of friends now, of course.)
Hey, hey there now Andy! That dog kicking thing........ (just teasin')
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
Yeah, it's usually best for me to avoid this site during and after the football games. It seems like no matter what happens everyone thinks the sky is falling. We went undefeated last year, and every time we had a close win this site was going crazy with negativity. Just enjoy the win.
depending on where at in Washington, I bet there is probably a 1,500-1 Lumberjack to Buckeye fan ratio.
your down vote attack is amazing. took years of practice and tons of thought, huh?
Because you have to be a condescending jerk, yes. Be careful who you criticize. You're no better. Read back through my posts Mr. comprehension skills. I wasn't attacking the Buckeyes or you.
come on fellow Buckeye fan. That post wasn't directed to at you, it was directed at whoever downvoted every comment I made in this thread. Seems rather Jr. Highish to have to ask OSU Buckeye fans to be somewhat positive when there team just won a Big10 road game by 10 points. And no, fellow Buckeye fan, I'm not directing anything at you.
Peace.
+1 to both of you for reaching the peace. GO BUCKS (for friggin' sake!)!
I like to think that I keep it balanced based on what it occurring during the game. When something awesome happens, I like to throw a nice celebratory comment in...when something happens that makes you roll your eyes or groan, I'll post about it as well. The problem is, for a game in which we played poorly against a mediocre opponent, you're probably going to have more negative comments than usual.
When we're dominating, reading comments on here can be hilarious.
I countered the downvotes and gave everyone with a downvote an upvote to make it neutral. I don't think one should receive a downvote for expressing a fair opinion.
Upvote to you for honesty and good-will. And I agree with you mostly...EXCEPT that negative/frustrating comments I think are fine....but when they're just bashing, I have no need for them. Saying things like the Buckeyes "are impossible to watch" and that certain players are an "absolute stiff" are a little much for me. Twist those comments just SLIGHTLY to be more constructive/meaningful...and I'm fine. Just MHO.
Apologies for being a pessimistic prick today
I've been taking for granted how good of a team we were last year and the year before and getting unjustifiably pissed off at this year's team.
I usually try to be mostly constructive with my criticism but games like today can really get on my nerves, and the fact that they just beat MSU contributed to my stupidity as well. I still stand by most of the stuff I posted (the defense was terrible until the last few minutes, freethrows were awful, some of the offense was head-scratchingly stupid at some points) but at times, especially in the second half, I was borderline spamming which is obviously unacceptable and annoying to everyone else.
I promise I'm not this annoying to watch a game with in real life, when I'm online I kind of just speak my mind and can be annoying as hell as a result. I'll try to be less of a douchey poster in the future, but I still hold my right to criticize whatever I want.
Speaking of annoying, whoever it was that was calling players on the team "useless", that was even below my low bar of posting quality. Straight up insulting players is just stupid, and if I did that anywhere in the thread (which I don't think I did), then I take it back and will never do it in the future.
Upvote for apologies. I ddin't like some of your comments. But I do get the frustration. GO BUCKS!
I actually tend to avoid the open threads as well. Not always, but pretty often. Stayed away from this one (today's game) as a matter of fact...They do tend to get pretty crazy in close games or loses.
Edit: loses? What are loses?
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
I will point in the irony with your request here and your stance on NSFW.
simple...... on this topic, I asked the 11W staff for a way to avoid content, I don't care to read. I never proposed anyone stop posting their thoughts (no matter if I disagree), so I could enjoy this site more.
NSFW turned into a request for people to stop posting material for different reasons, which I addressed when I had a conflicting viewpoint.
I enjoy the site. I don't want the community to change, so I can enjoy it more, at other's expense. I'm seeking a way that "I" can change my usership, so I can enjoy the site more. I also asked for fellow poster's thoughts on the matter.
I am amazed that you think this is different than the requests made over on the NSFW thread. Not only that, but the NSFW topic included other reasons such as avoiding potentially disrespectful pictures and posts or those that cause deviation from the intended discussion.
I don't intend to re-debate the issue, it just seemed to me that this was teetering on the edge of hypocrisy for someone who came off as being so staunchly opposed to people requesting a heads up on NSFW content so that they could avoid it.
You are entitled to your opinion and I actually do agree with you in that the in-game threads are sometimes difficult with all of the de-constructive criticism.
I didn't disagree with the OP of the NSFW topic, also, I didn't disagree with many of the posters calling for a NSFW forum (imo silly, because any random thought in a topic discussion... and there may be only one.... may be NSFW, off topic, but still a relevant thought amongst Buckeye fans).
My debate with NSFW, was with labeling of NSFW material, how to avoid trouble with NSFW material and some other things. The OP wanted some help with NSFW material, another poster gave a link to a website, that can make image material disappear from a site, making the site SFW. Problem solved.
In this thread, I'm looking for a way to avoid content I have grown tired or reading, I'm not asking anyone to stop posting, or saying people can't be critical. I'm seeking for an avenue to avoid it, and if it boils down to removing user ship during Open Threads, then so be it.
Many in the NSFW thread didn't seem to think removing user ship during working hours was a reasonable option.
IMO not really teetering on hypocrisy.
While a few posts agree with your above sentiment, I'm happy to remind you of your other posts that I am referring to:
fantastic!!! now read carefully, please. I'm not trying to shape policy here. I'm not asking for anyone to stop, change or be-whatever. I'm asking for an ignore poster function. I'm asking for a tool to help my 11W viewership. PERIOD. Also, in the beginning of this thread, I said I would avoid the Open Forum, if that is what it came down to.
I have seen the light! Now that I went back and read it carefully I think I understand it now. Instead of changing policy, you would rather create new functions but only those functions that will not lead to new policy, because obviously an ignore button, much like a voting system, is simplistic enough that no new policy will be required with such a self explanatory system. And I also now fully understand your request for a tool to help your viewership by avoiding deconstructive criticism of our beloved buckeyes and am able to see why you should be able to go to a specific forum during a game and be happy with the posted content. I now see how this is in contrast to those slackers who come here for Ohio state updates while at work and can inadvertently stumble themselves into trouble by visiting random threads.
Don't want to derail too much but the first paragraph was exactly the point of that thread for most of us that were debating that side. A way to avoid content we don't care to read/see. And I agree with this thread completely.
I watched a game once when we were #1 in the country with Sullinger/Diebler in the Big ten tournament I believe with my wife's uncle and other family. I think we went on a 15-0 run or something but he just said "they'll just go cold like they always do!". Yet they didn't and ended up winning by 30+ against a good team (I forget the opponent). This guy couldn't be satisfied with the best team in the country playing about as good as a team can play in this era and probably one of the best all around teams in Ohio State history. He had some perceived concept of "going cold" which was probably just some negative bias where he only remembers bad things that happen in general. I am incredibly glad that I don't have to listen to him during games like last night. I was frustrated at times watching it but the team doesn't suck and I wouldn't say things to that effect. We have a very good team that has more holes than we are used to the last couple years but they are still enjoyable to watch (if you calm down and learn to love the bomb) and capable of playing with any team in the country.
Well said, and it would help if everyone read your comment & explanation.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
I think a little bit of negativity is bound to happen. The real problem is the people who only post negative things throughout the whole game. I have been in the open threads a lot for basketball because of the nature of the sport. For football games I usually get together with people and talk that way. With basketball, it's not really a social event until the tourney. I like the back and forth that goes on during games. It's kind of like a private twitter for games. You make your comment, read others, and comment on theirs. I've had some decent discussions in the last 2 games with Oregonian and Dubjay. What I'm trying to say is I welcome the occasional bashing when craft armpunts a 3. But you also need to acknowledge Amir when he makes a good play. Emotion is part of the live chat, but if your only emotion is mad you should probably keep to yourself.
I am speechless. This has to be the biggest garbage thread I have ever read in the history of the Internet. You are complaining because you find my venting to be too negative? Sincerely I am embarrassed FOR you. Absolutely ridiculous. Can you imagine going onto another team's website and reading something like this? We would thrash them over it. Considering some of the off the wall things posted on here every single day, for you to to throw a fit because I call someone a stiff or a bonehead is absolutely absurd.
Instead of crying like a big baby over my choice of words, how about you actually engage me and ask why I think someone is a stiff, a bonehead or think Ravenal should start?
Oh, that's right. Based on your inflated sense of self worth, something like that would be on par with consorting with a felon. Grow the f up or stop coming to the website.
we normally trash another team's fan base when they spew the sewage that you have chosen to spew about the Buckeye Basketball team.
And debating with you on whether or not a player is a stiff or a bonehead, well we all have opinions, and I'd rather not get into calling players names and go off on negative rants with you, buddy.
You live in a freaking bizarro world. Do you even READ posts on this website? Again, as I said above, you clearly have an inflated sense of self worth. Maybe you can simply look into a mirror and converse with your only equal.
man, you are funny( comedy), thanks for the laughs.
Glad I could make you laugh. In all seriousness, it was hyperbole. I didn't truly mean every bit of it. If you read between the lines you can get what I am trying to get at. The form may not please everyone (or anyone) but it was done at a moment of frustration. It was also an attempt to get people talking about the team, not me. I want these guys to succeed as much as anyone. Guess I need to tone it down a bit. I shall try!
I like the idea of a "hide" feature. Fairly common in today's social media and websites to have that ability to filter what you wish to see. Good idea John.
And, for those who voice negative thoughts about our current BB team; enjoy what we have. If you had watched some of Eldon Miller's teams then you would fully appreciate a Thad Matta team even with some shortcomings. It's all about perspective.
I look at it like this: It's a group of young men that sacrifice their time and effort to represent the Ohio State University on the basketball court. For that reason alone, they deserve some level of respect from anyone that claims to be a fan.
An angry fan...rooting for an angry team...led by angry coaches
Not a bad idea. It shouldn't have to come down to that, though. But you're damn right on some of the comments on here.
Class of 2010.
Oh my goodness. I come on tonight and this is still the lead thread? And I see I was quite popular! I'm not attacking anyone on here. Then whole concept of this site is about conjecture, opinion, and debate in support of our Buckeyes. Sorry, but you have to consider all sides of that and just not get it served your way.
I'm going upstairs... 'cause I'm gonna put my n**sack, on your drumset!
Sorry all the bickering back and forth makes me think of StepBrothers.
Roll with it.
Just use your down vote button...it's what's for dinner.
D. Anthony
So how does this work? If you are on the positive thread, we are playing terrible and you say "Wow, we really suck today" do you get moved to the other thread?