Ok, I need help from everybody here. My mind is not large enough to comprehend this possibility, so I'm hoping that writing it out will help.
With Michigan losing last night, and the way the rest of the schedules work out, there is a possibility for a 5 way tie for first (according to record) at the end of the regular season.
Here's how it will work:
Ohio State wins out, beating Indiana in the process - Finishes 13-5
Indiana goes 1-2, losing to OSU and UM - Finishes 13-5
Michigan wins out, beating MSU and IU - Finishes 13-5
Michigan State goes 2-1, losing to Michigan and beating UW - Finishes 13-5
Wisconsin goes 2-1, losing to MSU - Finishes 13-5
I feel like this scenario is actually pretty possible. OSU winning at Indiana and might be tough, but all the other big match ups have the home team winning.
What I need help with is the tie breakers. I'm not sure what they are and how they would apply here besides head to head.
Here is what would happen in this scenario --
OSU -- split with all of the other teams.
Indiana -- split with OSU and UM, beat MSU twice, but only played UW once and lost.
Michigan -- split everyone besides UW which they only played once and lost.
Michigan State -- split with OSU, UM and UW, lost to IU twice.
Wisconsin -- split with OSU and UW, and only play UM and IU once and beat them both.
Whew.... Hopefully all of that information is correct. It's hard to keep track of everything when it's hypothetical.
Can anyone help with the tie breakers?
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i find it very unlikely that a 5 way tie will occur. meatchicken will not win out. i find it even more unlikely that indiana will lose to both tosu and meatchicken.
I'm not so sure I agree with you... The way the B1G has been going this season, it's hard to call an away team a favorite. And like I said, in all of the games (besides the OSU-IU game) involving 2 of these teams, the home team is winning.
Yes, Michigan lost to a not-so-good Penn St. team, but maybe that's a wake up call for them.
But either way, just humor me.
I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that there is no tiebreaker in a co-championship scenario, even if it is split amongst 5 teams. Everyone is just Co-champs. In football, it would matter to sort out who would go to the B1G championship game. In basketball, the tiebreaker could be a/the factor in seeding each team for the B1G tourney.
I think there is a low percentage chance this could happen; it certainly isn't absurd to think so.
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I was thinking for some reason that there were.... Maybe I'm wrong.
But hey, that's what this thread is for!
I believe you are correct on no tiebreaker in basketball. In football it is needed (at least pre-championship game) to determine who gets the Rose Bowl bid etc. but in basketball there is no need other than seeding for the B1G tourney and who knows how that gets worked out. Although I think if you go by "worse loss" standard your poor team will be seeded 5th.
Well if that's the case, then great!
Anyone know if a 5 way tie for the regular season ever has happened before??
I think you're correct, Hail, in terms of the regular season B1G championship. But what about the B1G tournament? How would they seed it in that scenario? That's where these tiebreaks come in. That's going to be a bitch to figure out.
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Id assume by where each team is ranked at in the top 25
Nvm saw below someone looked it up
1st step Admit your drunk
2nd step Realize Iowa isn't beating Indiana
3rd step Burn down this thread
Indiana is about to win it outright and come saturday, IU will slam the door in Michigan and Ohio State face for any thought of a B1G title. But stay tune because a day later, Michigan will slam the same door in MSU face. Next up UW. Slam that door in their face. OSU gets blown out at Indiana and IU fans celebrate! Game Over see you in Chicago for the Big Ten Tourney!
Ohio State's band SLAUGHTERED Michigan's band. If this were a football game, it would have been Florida State vs. Savannah State. - SB Nation following OSU vs. UM 2012
Indiana only has to lose 2 of their last 3.
They play Iowa, Michigan and OSU.
I never said Indiana would have to lose to Iowa, did I?
That's quite the pessimistic predictorlator you've got yourself there.
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You should just do everyone a favor and fuck off hahaha
How'd all that work out for ya?
MSU-Lost
UW-Lost
Indiana-Lost
Man...keep the predictions coming...you have a real future in that area
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
I originally started thinking about all of this because I wanted to see how it would be possible for the Buckeyes to win their 4th straight regular season title.
I'm trying to be optimistic here peeps.
My guess is it would come down to final overall W/L record against the other four co-champions to decide the seeding. In other words:
This would lead me to believe the seeding would be in the order 1-5 of Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan State.
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
Well how would that work since not everyone played all the other teams twice?
Wisconsin didn't have to play Indiana and Michigan twice which are the highest ranked teams.
This is from the B1G website for multiple team tie breakers for the tournament...
1. Results of head-to-head competition during the regular-season. a. When comparing records against the tied teams, the team with the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1, but 2-0 is not better than 1-0).
b. After the top team among the tied teams is determined, the second team is ranked by its record among the original tied teams, not the head-to-head record vs. the remaining team(s).
2. If the remaining teams are still tied, then each tied team's record shall be compared to the team occupying the highest position in the final regular-season standings, continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
a. When arriving at another pair of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to their own tie-breaking procedures), rather than the performance against the individual tied teams.
b. When comparing records against a single team or group of teams, the higher winning percentage shall prevail, even if the number of games played against the team or group are unequal (i.e., 2-0 is better than 3-1, but 2-0 is not better than 1-0).
3. Won-loss percentage of Division I opponents.
4. Coin toss conducted by Commissioner or designee.
Not sure what it all means.. but there it is lol.
I said this after scUM's debacle last night...we need them to turn it around and beat Sparty and/or IU to get us into the top 3 final standings.
Funny, I remember the look last week at the remaining schedules of all the big ten teams (Was it Kyle or another staff member) and we were told OSU's ceiling was 3rd, worst case was 7th. I think someone may need some math help.
I looked it up and according to Wikipedia, the most amount of teams that were tied for the regular season title was 4 back in 1926.
Would be pretty crazy to have 5 tied.
BUMP for today's games...
Wisconson's going to lose which changes things up a bit... I'll have to run some numbers lol
Things are going to get interesting down the stretch now. That's all I know for sure
Wisconsin now eliminated I believe from this scenario if they lose to MSU
Yeah and if they DO lose to MSU, than MSU needs to lose against Northwestern in order for there to be a 4 way tie..
With Wisconsin blowing it to Purdue (which was awesome) and MSU losing to Michigan (not awesome), the loser of the MSU/Wisconsin game is eliminated from contention
It's a pretty safe bet that Indiana will win it outright unless OSU sparks a collapse on Tuesday
Indiana has clinched a share of the big ten title. Win over OSU or Michigan and they win it outright.
So IU goes 0-2 to finish 13-5.
OSU goes 2-0 to finish 13-5.
Michigan goes 2-0 to finish 13-5.
Winner of Sparty/Wisconsin goes 2-0 to finish 13-5.
4 way tie is the maximum now. 7 big ten teams have now hit the magic 20 win marker by the way.
Sounds good. I've always wanted to try a 4-way.
Go Bucks, beat the Hoosiers!
Those who stay will be CHAMPIONS!
~Bo Schembechler
BUMP!
Big win last night means we are still in it!! (and so are 4 other teams)
Still gotta win the last game and then.... time to cheer for tsun?
Cheer for Purdue tonight, then it might be ok to cheer for scUM sunday
I think:
Osu beats Illinois
Sparty knocks out Wiskey tomorrow night
and everything comes down to UM and IU Sunday afternoon....which Michigan promptly loses to IU and IU gets the entire thing
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Based on the tie-breaker logic that JeremyTwoFace presented from the B1G website, and assuming Michigan beats Indiana, Ohio State beats Illinois, and there is a four-way tie at the top, here's how I believe the seeding plays out:
"What we do in life echoes in eternity"
If it goes as chalk, we would play the #3 seed in the second game.
Which would you rather play? Michigan or Indiana?