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Tony Stewart runs over and kills competitor.

BassDropper's picture
August 10, 2014 at 1:19am
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Not a NASCAR fan in the slightest, but I can't ignore the major story developing. Reports are surfacing that Stewart ran over a 17 year old kid, Kevin Ward,on the racetrack out of anger. Some tweets have since said that the 17 year has passed away. 

 

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highwire's picture

Just read that too...absolutely crazy and terrible if it's true.

Buckeyevstheworld's picture

I'm not reading anything else until 6am. Right now, no one seems to know what's going on.

"YOLO" = I'm about to do something extremely ignorant/stupid & I need an excuse to do it.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

I'm pretty pissed about the terrible reporting on this so far.

(There are times when 11W could use an IM app)

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ITWASME's picture

What the fuck!?

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NashBuckeye's picture

Why is Tony Stewart racing against a 17-year old? Hope the story is not true!

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Ward was 20 years old.

Stewart regularly races Sprints on the side and has been using it to help get back into shape for NASCAR (he's been out since he was injured in an accident last year).

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exnwohiobuckfan's picture

He actually owns a pretty cool little track

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Eldora? He's part owner of a couple of others as well isn't he?

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CGroverL's picture

I'm a NASCAR fan as most of us in the Daytona, FL area are. I +1'd you for knowing about Stewart's leg break as most here probably don't dig Nascar too much. As you said, Stewart regularly runs these Sprint races and on this next sentence I am not getting RELIGIOUS...........but from the 2 different shots (neither were great vids) that I saw, Tony Stewart ran that kid over on purpose and I think (right now as there has been no GREAT NEWS on the "accident" mostly due to possible lawsuits, in my opinion) that Tony didn't think he was going to kill the kid but tried to teach him a lesson "the very hard way". In the shots I saw (especially one), you could see Stewarts car turn hard right and hit the kid. God bless the Ward family and help Tony Stewart. If what I saw was not murder, it definitely was manslaughter and I still feel that is why we have heard no solid reports on almost anything as of yet. I am a Christian and don't hit me too hard for saying religious things. I know our rules, and I normally adhere to them.

Some different video views may change my mind, but Nascar lost a racer last season in a Sprint race and if it is that easy to DIE by racing in them and Tony Stewart is still alive, maybe some changes need to be made. I am going to leave my message up plus the 1HS for "Scarlet" but I'm so shocked that I may be talking out of my arse right now.....

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jeremytwoface's picture

What did you say that was religious? 

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nfischer's picture

He must not think it is proper to say "God bless the Ward family" in a post.  

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b_pbucksfans's picture

You are absolutely talking out of your ass.

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AngryWoody's picture

Reading a lot of stuff on this and seeing everything from "He flew 50 feet and died on the spot" to people saying "nothing to see here". It's hard to tell what is going on exactly because most of the major news outlets are not touching this with a ten foot pole right now and most of the information has been left to leak out via twitter. I'm assuming it had to be pretty serious because they called off the race after the incident. Waiting to see what happens. I just hope it's not as serious as it is sounding like it could be.

*Edit* Video of the incident is out now.....fuck.....wow....I think i just watched a guy die before my eyes. The guy is dead. He has to be dead. Tony Stewart is going to prison.

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CGroverL's picture

Right now....I think Tony Stewart did it on purpose and belongs in prison. That is why no one will speak about it. To think that Stewart was actually going to race today...I was gone all day and just got home to see this news...is altogether ridiculous and is simply a way of Stewart to try to weasel out (acting like the Ward kid just ran out in front of him and killed himself was a ridiculous way to try and get out of running the kid over). It may not be murder, but it is manslaughter and Stewart should be prison bound in my opinion.

"I hope they're last in everything". One of Meyer's comments when speaking of TTUN after being hired at Ohio State.

 

 

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BassDropper's picture

WARNING. GRAPHIC CONTENT. 

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BUCKfutter's picture

i just watched the video too. not pretty.  the guy does run right into the path of oncoming traffic, but what is hard to determine (and will be hard to prove i think) is if stewart intentionally hit the kid. you can hear his engine rev, but it looks like he literally didn't change his direction at all - the kid walked right into his path. he did stop his car immediately afterwards. awful tragedy at best, and sick, sick act at worst.

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AngryWoody's picture

It's official, Kevin Ward is dead.

This is the worst sports story I have ever seen. Tony Stewart is going to prison for a while.

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CC's picture

Just like Carlos hit that girl... Let the story develop a little before rushing to judgment.

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AngryWoody's picture

Have you seen the video? He killed that guy. It's not up for dispute.

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CincyOSU's picture

He did kill the guy, but only Tony knows what really happened. Not you, not me. So stop speculating on what you think he did or didn't do. 

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AngryWoody's picture

There is no speculation. He hit and killed the guy. I don't get what you're not understanding about this. 

Even if the guy ran out on the track where he shouldn't be, you can't just kill a person and say "whoops, my bad guys" and be off the hook as if you didn't do anything wrong. I want you to drive downtown and run down the first guy you see who is jay-walking and say "Whoops my bad, he shouldn't have been jay walking" and see how that works for you. Your ass would be in cuffs in five seconds, but for some reason Tony Stewart gets to kill a guy with a car and it seems like it's no big deal to most people. Guess what, whether it was on purpose (which I don't think it was) or and accident, it is a big deal. It's a big fucking deal and seeing him running around free when just about anyone else would be rotting in a jail cell is a farce. The guy is a killer, accident or not.

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DannyBeane's picture

I don't think hitting someone down town verses hitting someone on a closed course race track are the same thing. Down town there is the expectation that somebody could cross the street at any time. Also people aren't driving their cars a 100 miles and hour. The kid did something stupid. He ran out on a race track and got himself killed. It could have been any other racer on that track that hit him, it just happened to be Tony Stewart

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AngryWoody's picture

Is a life somehow less of a life because you kill them downtown instead of on a race track? If you kill a pedestrian on accident (say it is bad weather and dark and you couldn't see them) on a dark country road where you don't expect someone to be walking is that somehow ok because you don't have the expectation that someone would be crossing? Of course not!

The kid did something stupid, yes. Did he DESERVE to die? No.

Nothing you are saying excuses killing him. Nothing. 

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CincyOSU's picture

~~Nothing you are saying excuses killing him. Nothing.

What's your point? Just because someone dies during an accident; freak, intentional, or otherwise does NOT mean someone has to go to jail.

Suppose Ward had flipped out and jumped on Stewart's hood and died in the process...does all the blame still fall on Stewart?

Just terrible, terrible logic at play here. I mean do you REALLY think that in the example you gave(dark country road) anything would, or should, happen to the driver of this vehicle?

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BassDropper's picture

Suppose Ward had flipped out and jumped on Stewart's hood and died in the process...does all the blame still fall on Stewart?

He didn't do that...so no need to speculate on what would happen in that situation. Tony saw the driver, he sped up instead of swerving out of the way...his car showed no change in direction besides the fish tail he did when he sped up. Every other car passed Ward, but it just so happens that the guy Ward was trying to confront was the one who killed him. 

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osu07asu10's picture

Every other car passed Ward, but it just so happens that the guy Ward was trying to confront was the one who killed him. 

Imagine that, Ward ran up to the car he was trying to confront...that couldn't have had anything to do with the accident...

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CincyOSU's picture

WHAT!?!?!

Do you even understand what you are saying?

Even if the guy ran out on the track where he shouldn't be, you can't just kill a person and say "whoops, my bad guys" and be off the hook as if you didn't do anything wrong

Umm, yes you can if it's not your fault. If some idiot decides it a good idea to go run up and down I-71 and someone hits, and kills, him; then by your logic the person should be thrown in jail. Doe that make ANY sense at all? Just because someone dies doesn't mean someone has to go to jail.

In this case, there isn't nearly enough evidence(at least at this point which is why you are speculating) to support the claim that Stewart did anything intentionally. The video doesn't show Stewarts car until right before impact and more importantly, we don't know what Stewart saw while on the race track.

Your logic, and examples, are WAY off here.

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AngryWoody's picture

I'm wrong. You're right. The examples I am using are bad.

In a case you like this you have to prove one of two things to make it manslaughter. You have to prove there was negligence, or you have to prove there was intent, and in this case you can't prove either unless you could enter Tony's mind and see what he saw and that's not gonna happen.

I still think he is getting the benefit of the doubt way too much when you watch the video. Lots of other cars missed Ward, and then here comes one of the best race car drivers in the world on a well lit track and he accidentally revs the engine right by Ward, and accidentally has his back tires shoot out from under him, accidentally striking him. Just seems like people are being pretty generous here when they just assume one of the best race car drivers in the world randomly lost control of his car on a straight-away on a well lit track right in front of a driver who was taunting him. I think Tony needs to explain why he hit the damn gas when a guy was standing so close to his car, and I think he needs to answer it in front of a jury. I think that is fair.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Stewart didn't 'accidentally have his back tires shoot out from under him'. He was still sideways coming out of the the turn. If he had tried to make major corrections he would have lost control and endangered his life or the lives of drivers who weren't standing in the middle of the track.

The real problem is that people are making some very bad assumptions about what happened.

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AngryWoody's picture

The real problem is that people who don't understand the physics of short dirt tracks are making assumptions.

Phew, thank God you're a dirt track racing physicist. Just a question for the expert: If you're coming out of your turn sideways and you nail the gas, wouldn't that cause the back end to shoot out even more? I mean, isn't going too fast the main reason cars lose traction in the turns and crash? Just asking because I'm not an expert. If that's true doesn't it stand to reason that if you were coming out of your skid and nailed the gas for no apparent reason your back tires would shoot out even farther?

Another question, if the cars were on a caution lap (and they were on a cation lap mind you) do they even have the kind of speed you would need to skid coming out of a corner on a caution lap? Wouldn't the sprint car rules set the caution speed very low so that cars wouldn't be skidding around, which would be a major safety hazard?  If Tony was sideways wasn't he going far too fast for a caution lap? Wouldn't speeding in a caution lap be considered negligence and prove Tony Stewart was at least partially responsible for killing Ward?

So I'm just asking the expert, why was Tony going so fast when he wasn't supposed to? And why did Tony nail the gas at that exact spot when he was on "caution"? Here's why: He was speeding and his negligence cause Ward to die.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

There's assumption #1. You don't know that he hit the gas. The source for that claim is a buddy of Ward's (he also claimed the car 'threw Ward 50 yards'). Fans sitting on the far side of the track wouldn't be able to tell over the din of the other cars.

That being said, if he did hit the gas that's actually supports the view that he was trying to avoid Ward as that's the only way to straighten the car back up (remember it was the rear wheel that made contact with Ward).

Assumption #2. That Stewart was driving unnecessarily fast. From what little can be seen it looks like most of the other cars that passed by Ward were traveling at least as fast or faster than Stewart. Most of them also were traveling in the same line or a bit higher (with #45 being the sole exception).

Ward got out of his car, he came close to being hit by at least one other car traveling a higher line than Stewart. Ward then RAN farther down into the track, almost coming into contact with a car that was almost in the infield. If you look closely at that car (blue & white #45), while it was trying to avoid Ward it's rear end comes around in an almost identical manner to Stewart's.

Ward is dead because he decided to run in front of oncoming traffic. That's the story here.

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Grande Gustavo's picture

He didn't hit the gas he downshifted which raises your RPMs. He downshifted because there was a caution flag out because of Ward's wreck. 

On the "well lit track" part, have you ever been to a dirt track? There is dirt flying everywhere, you can hardly see, and the tracks are not well lit enough to really pierce the dirt when the race is going. Ward's almost entirely black fire suit also contributed making it that much harder to see him. 

It is a terrible accident, and it really sucks that a 20 year old guy died last night. Thinking that Stewart would kill a guy on purpose over a low level sprint car race though is one of the silliest things I have ever heard. 

The answer may not be at the bottom of a bottle, but it never hurts to check. 

JYBUCKEYE's picture

You can't downshift a sprint car. It is either in gear or out of gear.  

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Grande Gustavo's picture

You're right, my bad. That doesn't real change any of my other points. 

The answer may not be at the bottom of a bottle, but it never hurts to check. 

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smithwessonBuckeye's picture

There are many factors that would contribute to losing control of the car when the gas was hit during a turn at race speed. The stagger of the tires along with spring compression, wing angle, and degree of banking in the track. For the most part, these guys don't lift their foot from the gas under race conditions, but throttling will help put the car in proper position to pass or exit the turn.

The pace under the caution is significantly slower, but it is also set by the race leader at certain tracks. Any time under caution during a dirt track race is a big game of follow the leader for this specific reason. Low visibility creates different problems, either from the dirt that is blowing around the track or due to the nature of the car. Tony was following the other cars around the track just as he should.

There has been plenty of speculation as to why Tony hit the gas at that exact moment, but the only people that know right now are the investigators and Tony himself. Maybe he was surprised by the figure that close to the car? Who knows? 

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osu78's picture

It would depend - do dirt track cars exhibit trailing throttle oversteer? If so, gas would be the way to correct the loose tail.

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Silver Bullet 10's picture

Oh my goodness. God help us. Prayers to all the families involved. A very, very unfortunate incident. I don't want to speculate on anything. I just wish the best. Oh my. 

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FROMTHE18's picture

Very very sad news. I have watched the video. Difficult to determine anything from it IMO, other than the driver being hit and appearing to die instantly. I am unsure why Ward (alleged victim) would get out of the car during a race and watch towards the field. This is a tragic circumstance and I hope, simply for my mind, that this was an accident rather than a deliberate action, as some have said, its a sport and to use the car as a weapon against a out-of-car driver is atrocious (if true). 

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Stewart and Ward made contact on the track, and Ward wrecked.  He was mad at Tony, so he got out of his car and ran down the track to show his displeasure to Tony as Tony was driving by. 

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Rob Reese's picture

I remember a few years ago Home Depot always threatening to pull sponsorship from Tony's car/team when with Gibbs Racing due to his pattern of erratic behavior, fights and confrontations with other drivers and seemingly uncontrollable temper.  Still, I don't/can't believe this was intentional until I hear more.  This is a shocking tragedy.

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

To me, doesn't look intentional at all.  The cars are traveling at a high rate of speed on a small dirt track. The incident happened just after Stewart came out of a turn and the other driver clearly walked into the path of oncoming traffic. If you watch racing at all, you'll almost always notice that drivers take the same line during most of the race and especially in and out of turns.  Definitely an unfortunate event but I find it hard to see any malicious intent. Just my 2 cents.

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Rob Reese's picture

My first impression too.  Why walk down the track with oncoming traffic like that outside of your car?  Such a senseless tragedy.  

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

Not only this, but a sudden movement on dirt track will kick the back of the car out. Heat goes out to the family, but that was a bad bad bad move on Ward's part.

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Poison nuts's picture

Just saw the video. My take - it's absolutely horrible first of all. What I saw was Ward do something incredibly dumb & walk into oncoming traffic on a track filled with cars moving fast. All respect for the departed, but that was a flat out stupid thing to do.

Now, In my opinion, looked like Tony Stewart fish tailed on purpose *(see edit below). Whether he meant to scare him is unclear, obviously - but I'd say the fishtail was intentional. I'm not a NASCAR fan & have no dog in the fight, so trying to look at it in an unbiased way...Tony Stewart may do some time or at minimum this situation will be looked at very, very closely. Still, I'll go back & say again, walking out onto the track in the middle of speeding cars (even if caution had come out) - not a good move. 

Edit: having looked at the video & read on this quite a bit, thinking now the fishtail was not intentional at all. I'll be letting time sort through what really happened. Lot of people here, DVing simple opinions on a serious matter though. Sad that you can no longer have any sort of debate on this site without people jumping on you for difference of opinion...

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

The fishtail to me looks post contact and could have easily been due to the contact.  The video isn't great though.  Horrible tragedy.

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Poison nuts's picture

Certainly tough to say for sure. I heard the engine rev, the camera comes back to Ward, car seems to be fishtailing beforehand to me, but you're right - the video does make it tough to say for sure...

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

He was cutting on dirt to get out of the way is how I view it. You don't just turn on dirt.

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

I agree with that and coming out of the turn where he was already sideways...

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Rob Reese's picture

I  heard the engine rev

I hear an engine 'rev' too, but I'm not convinced it's Tony's.  The mic on that phone is obviously next to the lens itself, I'm 99% certain that "rev" we hear is from a car out of view in front of the camera-man, to his left -- my amateur take on the audio anyway.

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