PHONE'S RINGING -- IT'S URBAN ON THE LINE
Rewatched the 5th season over the weekend and last nights episode! Wow just speechless, what's everyone's opinion
One of the best shows on TV. Last nights episode was awesome. "If that's true - If you don't know who I am - then maybe your best course would be to tread lightly."
"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." -Woody Hayes-
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35 hours to Pasadena! Go Bucks!
You quoted the most interesting line in the show last night. Hank REALLY doesn't have any idea what Walter has morphed into. He is smarter, more ruthless and more cunning that Hank can imagine. Hank is going to underestimate Walter and it is going to come back to bite him.
On the flip side, Walter is going to underestimate Lydia and that may be his undoing.
"To crush the Wolverines, to see them driven from their stadium, and to hear the lamentation of their fans" Conan the Barbarian (paraphrased) on "what is best in life."
That was the best line of the show, and really changed the tone of their conversation totally. Great line, well delivered.
"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly, not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done." President T. Roosevelt (
Lydia....baaaaby....I knew she had it in her with those $800 Louboutin shoes.
So here is the question...we know that she is going to try to get production of the original Heisenberg recipe kicked back up into high gear...but Walt and Skyler will be running silent. Will Hank jump the gun on Walt (hard proof-wise) with his DEA buddies only to see that the Blue Meth is still being made.....only they wont know it is Lydia and not the real Heisenberg
Interesting thought, and thus making it difficult to prove Walt is guilty. However, based on the foreshadowing (post 52nd bday), I don't know if this will be the case.
Perhaps, if it is true, and then Hank goes evil vendetta and starts a war with Walt. That would be interesting.
This is some of the very best writing on television. You get to watch Walt as he grows into some more each episode. I love this show, the best on television.
I don't have cable, so I'm stuck on the part where Hank is on the toilet...
Hey, AMC put up the premiere just like they did with Mad Men. Bye for now!
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I'd recommend streaming it...lots of options!
Easily got my $7.99's worth of Netflix by watching every Breaking Bad episode twice. I suggest you do the same.
Also, check out Mad Men and Sons of Anarchy, the three best shows on TV (in my opinion).
Don't give up... Don't ever give up.
http://watchseries.lt is a great place to stream. they have all BB episodes along with just about any series you could think of
Last night was crazy...Walt is a freaking maniac. SPOILER ALERT: I've absolutely despised him since he killed Mike, who was my favorite character. And the way he manipulates Jesse is uncomfortable...same with the weird kissing scenes with Skyler at the beginning of season 5.
Can someone please explain the storyline and plot? I see a lot about this on Twitter. Also, what channel does it come on?
Plot: A high school chemistry teacher in New Mexico has lung cancer and joins forces with a former student to produce and sell the most purest meth on the market. While living a life of crime, he is trying to build financial security for his family should he pass.
That's the short end of it, but maybe someone else could fill in the details of the show. If you have Netflix, I recommend watching it.
Note: We should make this The Official Breaking Bad Thread
Good description BME!
To add to this....I feel that the show makes you see how someone could get one foot in the door as far as crime is concerned, with almost acceptable intentions. It shows how quickly things can get out of hand as that someone gets greedy. It draws the audience to want that person to get away with it while hating him for making decisions along the way and therefore transition to wanting him to get caught.
I'll paraphrase the description that he creator has used. Its about the transformation of an ordinary average clean-cut father into Scarface!
Rent, borrow, buy - whatever it takes. My wife and I hammered through 4 seasons in two weeks.
I used to watch it, every episode. I stopped after the scene involving the kid and the dirt bike. Hard to root for him after that. I did catch the last episode and wonder what happens next. I have to admit, it left me feeling guilty like I just defecated on my integrity. It is a compelling drama. Worries me that someone with strong character association issues *cough..DJ..cough* might go too far with this.
You're not supposed to root for him. The scenes with Hank and Walt, and Walt and Jesse last night were just phenomenal. I'm so excited for this show, I hope they don't screw up the ending.
Not sure what happened to Landry Clark... one minute, he's at Rice and the next, his name is Todd and he's working with drugs.
I've been trying to catch up on Netflix. I was late to the game and I'm only on season 3. I really need to catch up before football starts.
I got caught up for the 1st time last season, and i have to admit, waiting for a week to watch the next episode sucks. You are doing it the right way BB87. :) DVR this season and watch it when you catch up!
I envy your position, after episode 6 it just gets crazy!!!
I'm afraid Walt is going to do something to Jesse. At first he did everything he could to keep Jesse around (i.e. his junkie GF, running over those dealers, etc.) because he needed Jesse for the business. Now that it seems like he is trying to "get legitimate" with the car washes, Walt is trying to rid himself of any loose ends. This all started with the Prison shanking at the end of last season. Jesse is coming unhinged and obviously is having some serious issues dealing with what has happened. Walt says "you NEED to believe me" when he was talking about having nothing to do with Mike's disappearance. It's almost like "if you don't believe me, I'm going to have to kill you too". They talked about this a little on "Talking Bad" after the show. Jesse is my favorite character, so I sure as hell hope this isn't the case.
I keep thinking this too. It's obvious Walt survives another year based on his diner breakfast and saying hi to his neighbor after his house is closed off. Jesse is my favorite character as well and seems to be the only one left with a good conscience. But I just cant see a scenario where Jesse makes it out alive. And once Walt finds out Jesse was tossing $10k care packages out his window he's going to be pissed.
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*if you view AMC's promo pics of breaking bad you'll think differently! I think the whole world would kill AMC and Vince if they allowed Jesse to die.
I'm more concerned about Jesse doing something to Walt. Walt has lied to Jesse and done some bad stuff to him (could have saved his GF, poisoned Brock, etc.) Jesse is, uh, fragile right now and if he finds out about any of that, he could easily kill Walt. Of course, there are also 4 or 5 other people that could kill Walt too.
I don't put much stock in the opening scene of this season...I don't think it necessarily means that Walt survives. I just don't think they would have given us the end of the entire show up front like that.
Fell in love with BrBa last fall. Best show on TV. Can't wait for this Sunday.
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, we're from O-HI-O!
Yep finally something on TV to get me through the next few weeks while we wait for Football to start.
My thoughts exactly. Thank you, AMC!
Without question, the finest show on TV - bar none (although I recommend Ray Donovan to anyone who has not seen it). As for last night's episode, it did not disappoint in any way. I expect this to be one of the greatest last seasons of any show ever...The scene between Hank & Walt last night was epic & left me wanting more immediately. Tread Lightly indeed! I'm almost tempted to DVR all the shows & not watch any until the season is over so that I can just watch them all at once, but I know I won't have the patience for the that.
The world is full of kings & queens who'll blind your eyes & steal your dreams - it's heaven & hell - Ronnie James Dio.
I don't watch but I hear it is addicting.
I tried watching the first season on Netflix but couldn't get into it or something else caught my eye. I've been wanting to start it over, maybe I can get a season or 2 out of the way before The Walking Dead starts up again. Now that's a show I can dance with.
With all due respect, Breaking Bad is a much better show than The Walking Dead.
I watch both Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead. The quality of writing isn't even comparable. High schoolers could write for TWD. It's is a fun show, but BB is on the Mt. Rushmore of best TV Dramas ever.
My thoughts exactly. In my opinion BB is some of the finest writing and acting to ever grace the small screen.
Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan.
I had the same problem with Mad Men, started it again and just muscled through some episodes to see if I actually liked it. Great choice, as I ended up liking Mad Men almost as much as Breaking Bad. I suggest you do the same because it is probably the best show on TV. I like Sons of Anarchy just as much, but the quality of acting and writing on Breaking Bad is unmatched.
Watched every episode for the first time over the summer in time for the new season. Got my dad hooked on it now too and rewatched some episodes with him...Funny how much foreshadowing you notice the second time around.
BB is definitely one of my fav shows ever but I'm still kinda liking Game of Thrones as my all time favorite. Sons of Anarchy is up there too.
I am re-watching Breaking Bad in its entirety now and its interesting to see it with the perspective of knowing where it is going. I highly recommend it! Amazing show for sure. I would put it up there with the Wire, Sopranos, Deadwood, Game of Thrones (the Wire was probably my favorite).
Crazy how comparable Omar is to Walt
Interesting. I woulda never made that correlation and I still don't see it. Not trying to be an ass but I'm curious as to your reasoning.
Edit: if there is a character on The Wire that resembles Walt, I would have to say that it's Michael from seasons 4 and 5
Michael is the easy answer just like Duquan ending up like bubbles..
The comparison is almost based strictly on the fans perspective, each are officially evil dooers who use their own power and influence to support their lifestyle while both live dangerlously close to the lines laid out by society and also their own industry (drug cook/mass seller) (one who robs drug dealers and kills those who have came after him)
Good perspective. That makes sense.
The Wire had some of the best casting of any show ever! Plus they all came from relative obscurity. Hell, even 'Snoop' was just an average hardened criminal off the mean streets of Baltimore, not an actor whatsoever but she played a flawless role in the Wire.
"Get him a body bag, Yeah!"
Omar was the one who even discovered her after being released for attempted murder http://www.vulture.com/2008/01/michael_k_williams_on_playing.html
From what I understand it wasnt attempted murder, it WAS murder. I think she stabbed another girl to death when they were both 14 or 15. In addition, she was also busted a few years back as part of a drug ring and is now back in prison.
Actually, that article is mistaken. She was in prison for second degree murder for shooting another young woman, not attempted murder.
Edit: Beat me to it DaytonBuck. But it was a shooting.
If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. ~ Bruce Lee
I stand corrected. Thanks.
I saw an episode of Anthony Bourdain's 'No Reservations' last year when he was in Baltimore and Snoop gave him kind of a tour of the streets. They ended up eating a 'po-boy sandwich.
Bump. Breaking Bad in ten minutes.
We better delete this thread before STEENSN sees us discussing something that isn't football related and that has a plot that involves murder and drugs!
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Don't worry, He's probably occupied at the moment with Aaron Hernandez!
LETS GET THIS CHAIN THEN HEISENBERG *SAID IN MY TUCO VOICE*
Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of God.
Caught up on season 5 this weekend. Watched the ep at 8 and now am officially caught up. Watched seasons 1-4 on Netflix in May. Absolutely amazing show. AMC is knocking it out of the park.
So you've watched ep 9 & 10
I have watched all the episodes, yes.
Say hello to my little Fring...
My only complaint is the sound differential throughout an episode. I can barely hear some of the quieter conversations when I'm maxing out the sound on my TV. Perhaps I should get a better TV or invest in a sound bar.
seems like a lot of shows are that way lately, get a lot of background noise which muffles the actual dialogue.
Last night was awesome...Sklylar's all in!
Last night was good. But I didn't find it anywhere near as jaw-droppingly awesome as Episode 1.
Can't all be that good. The first episode this season was just epic....it's gonna be a great season.
Best show on TV.
I've been re-watching the first couple of seasons --
Great Walter White quote from season 2
Jesse: "Yo, you wanna go shopping, go do it yourself, alright? I got plans."
Walter: "Smoking marijuana, eating Cheetos and masturbating do not constitute plans in my book."
Don't mean to thread jack, but if you guys like the intensity and progression of characters in Breaking Bad, I would highly suggest Sons of Anarchy. I didn't think I would like the whole biker gang storyline, but it is an unbelievable show. Quality of acting and writing is on par with the best of the AMC shows, which I consider to be standard for cable shows. All seasons except for the most recent are on Netflix and the new season comes out in September.
Anyways, you Breaking Bad freaks need to check out this link. Awesome Easter Eggs that really make you ponder about what is going to happen in the last 6 episodes.
WARNING: SPOILERS IF YOU AREN'T CAUGHT UP!
I like Sons of Anarchy just as much, but the quality of acting and writing on Breaking Bad is unmatched.
I like Sons of Anarchy just as much, but the quality of acting and writing on Breaking Bad is unmatched.
if you guys like the intensity and progression of characters in Breaking Bad, I would highly suggest Sons of Anarchy. I didn't think I would like the whole biker gang storyline, but it is an unbelievable show. Quality of acting and writing is on par with the best of the AMC shows
if you guys like the intensity and progression of characters in Breaking Bad, I would highly suggest Sons of Anarchy. I didn't think I would like the whole biker gang storyline, but it is an unbelievable show. Quality of acting and writing is on par with the best of the AMC shows
haha I'm a bit fuzzy this morning, but in all fairness, English is my second language behind Accounting.
To clarify, I think Breaking Bad is the best in terms of acting and writing, and Sons is second, however it is no slouch. It reminds me of the other quality AMC shows such as Mad Men, etc, but there is definitely a gap between Breaking Bad and the rest of the AMC shows + Sons of Anarchy.
Make more sense now?
Sons of Anarchy has terrible writing, they stretch out every scenario, It's a good show but please don't put it in the same conversation as Breaking Bad. Anyone who watched season 3 minus the last episode will agree it was horrible (irish season)
That's hilarious because I was just talking about this with a friend at lunch and mentioned how that season pretty much ruined it for me and I haven't gone back since. I probably will try to pick it up again at some point but that Irish season was awful IMO.
Not to mention the god-awful, painfully slow songs they use at the end of each episode to wrap things up.
IMO opinion breaking bad is almost all writing/story, what makes it great is how the setting fits the story so well and add so much to every scene. In summary with breaking bad it's not so much the cast it's the crew, let's be real Bryan Cranston is the only good actor on the show and he isn't even amazing outside of the show. TV actors as a whole suck, why do you think they always promo the shit out of a show with a former movie star, it ain't because the shows actually good, it's because it has a cast member who you might have creamed over 10 years ago, currently looking at u ROBIN WILLIAMS
I really like Boardwalk Empire, and Magic City as well, but BrBd is definitely the most compelling
I'm not familiar with Magic City, but I also enjoy Boardwalk Empire. Being on HBO however they have a little more leeway in regards to what they can air. That's what makes Breaking Bad so impressive, is that they're able produce such a quality show while being confined by the restraints of cable television.
I really liked Boardwalk empire but season 3 had to be the slowest season yet, I've fallen asleep like 3 times so far watching that season. I feel like season 4 is going to be make or break so expect some fireworks..
This this this all day, premium channel on basic cable, mad men, the walking dead and BB are carrying the torch for every networks crappy lineups right now, I dot even understand why they even have Emmys right now, nothing compares
We can trademark threads now? Awesome!
This site is for Ohio State athletics topics only. The fact that you guys are talking about a show that glorifies a meth-dealing drug kingpin is offensive to me and has no place on this website.
So you're saying "Go Bucks!" sarcastically? I confused...
LoL, You would pick that out of all things UNKY. Just felt it added a nice touch to the end of the sarcasm post.
It's what I do...it's who I am...
Wouldn't have it any other way bruddah!
Did STEENSN hack your account?
Ok so maybe I'm not getting it but why exactly did Walt competitor making low quality meth being shipped to Czech need to be killed? Not sure why there was a hit put out on him and his crew.
Because their expecting the best. You don't go from high 90's to high 60's and expect the same profits, I highly recommend your go to grantland.com and read their write ups after each episode, they break down everything and it's just the best!
I think it has to do with Todd having some experience cooking with Walt and Lydia wanted him - not sure if she was in on it but it certainly seemed like it. I think Lydia wants a better yield so she told Todd and his Uncle about where she was going to try to find the lab of those guys.
Also, great read on all of the "easter eggs" from buzzfeed.
Next week preview. Special thanks to RCMB for posting this in their Break Bad thread.
I'm telling you guys....Lydia is the sleeper. She is damn near as ruthless as Walt and very, very cunning.
Now that she has wiped out the latest meth lords and will start making Walts original pure product, will the DEA confuse her with Heisenberg? Will this destroy Hank's credibility until the very end of the show when he can prove Walt was the man or simply takes Walt out?
Very interesting theory, but I haven't seen much from her other than the last episode. It's mostly been hearsay to this point from Mike.
I just started watching BrBa this summer on Netflix. I was tired of being out of the loop on here about all of the inside jokes. I started at the beginning and have now watched every episode at least twice. The show is off the hook good and is as addicting as Walt's meth.
These last 6 episodes are going to be interesting to watch. I'm still rooting for Walt and his family. Unfortunately I think Walt will die at the end. Either the cancer gets him, or someone else. Lydia isn't going to do it and I don't think Jesse will either. Hank is the most logical one, or Gomey. I think it might even be Todd and his prison uncle.
I think Hank will lose his job because he is spending so much time on the Heisenberg case. He can't come out and say Walt's Heisenberg, because Walt and Skylar paid for his medical bills when he got shot. This will seem like he is in on it. I'm just hoping when it is all said and done the end makes sense and I feel like it was a logical conclusion. I'll be sad Walt's dead, but if it is done correctly I won't be too pissed off.
"Say my name."
The thesis of the show is that walt has done all of this for his family. My take is that his family will die...making all the ruined lives even more painful.
I think Lydia has revealed herself to be a cunning, dangerous character. Look for a lot more from her.
Jesse is going to have to get whacked. But who will do it? Walt or Lydia? My bet is Lydia...setting a major confrontation between the two (ricin anyone). Remember, Lydia is now commanding Walt's former jail house assassins and has enough money to keep them happy.
Hank's career is over, one way or another. But how will it end? By taking Walt down or failing to do so?
Lydia is the devil, but she's a dumb sort of evil. Personally, I think the Ricin is for Jesse & that Walt will be whacking him personally...gonna be good one way or another.
Not bumped for the episode?
The first part has been slow so far, but hopefully the end delivers.
And it did, Just the best show out there!
Awkward hug between Jesse and Walt!
"Anything less than flagrant is just playing grab ass!"
I hate having to wait between episodes. Jesse is very angry!
My humble opinion, Breaking Bad is on the cusp of overtaking The Wire as best television series of all time, but it hasn't quite gotten there yet. With the opening episode of season 5(b) it got very, very close.
Nothing else really is even in the same ballpark as these two.
There's so much story left for the next 5 episodes, I'm just in awe of what's coming up next. I was left speechless after the DVD and Jesse putting it together, def in the top 10 episodes tonight
Jesse has to kill him at the end I believe.
A wise man once said "success is not final and failure is not fatal"
Great episode. This show is a kinetic tour de force!
One thing though. Did anyone else find Jesse's epiphany about Walt a bit, well, a bit too thin to be believable? Jesse's had his growing suspicions for a while, but he had no idea of the lengths his partner was willing to go to effectively be Jesse's puppet master. Jesse put everything together because he realizes his joint got lifted out of his pack of smokes? I don't know, it just struck me as a bit of a stretch for this otherwise impeccable show.
Anyway, not to put to fine a point on it. It was an crazy intense episode, and I can't wait to see what happens next!
I was confused by this as well. I seemed like too big of leap to make that drastic of a decision based on a hunch.
I kind of agree, but it is a small blip. Jesse was going to figure it out eventually; maybe the writers just wanted to speed up that process a bit.
I was wondering who was going to do Walt in; Jesse or Skyler. It looks like Jesse will be the one to do it. Although he despises Hank I think Jesse will work with him to stop Walt or at least run him into hiding. At this point Hank's only way of catching Walt is Jesse.
I used to root for Walt up until season 4 ends and you can see he's turned completely. He will do anything to manipulate the situation to his advantage.
I also can't root for Hank, because in my opinion he suffers from the same issue as Walt. His ego drives him. He could have used the slight evidence he found (the book) and had the DEA look into Walt and investigate. However, he has to be "the guy" who gets him.
Last night's episode was really good. The confession dvd was a stroke of genius. Walt knows Hank only has suspicions about him and this puts it all on Hank. Spinning some truths into the yarn was brilliant.
Jesse finding out about Brock means either Jesse or Walt needing to die. I'm figuring it is going to be Jesse. Obviously from the 52 birthday flash forward the White's house doesn't burn down. So I guess Jesse gets stopped. I'm betting Walt stops him and then needs to erase himself and the family.
The final five shows are going to be good. Hang on to your hats!
Flynn was curiously absent from most of last night's episode - was he just not home when Jesse barged in? And where is Holly when Walt and Skyler are at the car wash at the same time?
Skyler is going to kill Jesse, Calling it now!
That would be crazy.
Walt most likely isn't going to die, Jesse is. Also, Walt never poisoned Brock, as that kid ate some poisonous berries, so Jesse's little hissy-fit leading to arson, is going to turn out very bad for him. The video confession was a stroke of genius.
brock was posioned by lily of the valley which is a potted plant in walts back yard. theres a lot of hubub on the BB wiki sites about how in an episode walt was forced to sit next to brock and looked obviously uncomfortable about doing so while brock played playstation instead of realizing who he was. i believe this is insinuating that walt did indeed poison brock initially. but we will probably never really know short of another WW confession
Forgot that the plant was shown next to the White's pool.
Walt did poison the kid--OK, we didn't see it happen, but that was the inference we were led to by the very last shot of Season 4.
However, Brock was NOT poisoned by the ricin and Jesse knows this. I thought that when Walter planted the fake cigarette in the Roomba, that answered all of Jesse's concerns about what had become of the ricin, so that's why I'm not sure I buy his sudden realization in last night's show. How did he get from realizing his weed had been lifted to figuring out that Walt was behind poisoning Brock?
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If you remember, a couple seasons back Gus and Walt were both trying to convince Jesse to be on their side (Gus wanted Jesse to cook so he could kill Walt, and Walt knew Gus wanted to kill him, so he wanted Jesse to help kill Gus) Jesse was leaning toward Gus, so Walt poisened Brock, and convinced Jesse that Gus was behind it. When Huell lifted the weed from Jesse, Jesse realized that Huell had lifted the Ricin from him earlier, and that Walt was the only guy who knew about the Ricin, so he must have told Saul (who told Huell) to lift it. When Jesse confronted him about poisoning Brock, Walt lied about knowing where the Ricin was. Jesse realized that Huell lifted the ricin, and its a logical step to assume that he realized that Walt lied about poisoning Brock. It's especially obvious right after Jesse confronted Walt about his manipulations of him. It's a little bit of leap, but reasonable I think.
I think everyone BUT Walt will die. He has become the single most reprehensible character on the show, and by comparison the most shallow, annoying, and childish characters are almost all starting to show some redeeming qualities. (Except Marie. She deserves to die - soon I hope. Haha)
I can't stand Marie. Skyler used to be the most annoying character, but now Marie has taken that title, and I don't see her relinquishing it soon. Also I really dig what Walter White has become, drug kingpin and one BAMF.
Walts confession...sheer genius.
Jesse is going down by years end. I think Walt takes him out with the same ricin he's so angry about right now. I think this is going to be one of those everybody dies type of show endings, although I'm not sure how I would feel about that...
Walt plans on killing somebody with the ricin, perhaps Jesse, since he went back to get it in the foreshadowing part at the beginning of season 5B.
Just finished the most recent episode. No other show on TV now or ever has done such a remarkable job with cliffhangers from episode to episode. And the best part is that in most cases, they resolve the cliffhanger right at the start of the next episode. The pacing of that show is amazing. I also love the fact that 5+ years have passed since the start of the show, but only 14 to 16 months in the actual story. It's basically been a continuous story arc (also why I've grown to like the Walking Dead) with no gaps in time. Other great shows like the Sopranos and The Wire would jump ahead from year to year. They would do a good job of letting you know what's happened during that time, but Breaking Bad is so great because you can basically watch one episode right after another and not realize you've changed seasons.
I watch for one main reason. I'm waiting for Walt's comeuppance. If he gets away with everything, my faith in humanity will be destroyed.
I was laughing my ass off when Hank and Marie were watching the "confession" video. They were so shocked, and the look on Hank's face was priceless. As much as I like Hank, I like Walt that much more, and I'm rooting for him 'til the end.
Man, Jesse is frickin' pissed! I can't wait to see what he does and what ends up happening to him.
That scene was amazing. How quickly everything has escalated continues to shock me.
I keep wondering how will Walt get caught and have to flee the police; or will he just leave because of the constant threat of Hank and DEA suspicion.
I think Jesse will give Walt up to Hank which will force Walt will flee to the Czech Republic with help from Madrigal/Lydia in return Walt will start cooking for them again. Skyler will end up in prison and Walt J.R. and Holly will be in the custody of Hank and Marie. I think Walt is traveling back to kill Hank (ricin) and then Jesse face to face.
2 things...obviously the doesn't house doesn't burn down...since we see that in the flash-forward....and the Ricin is still behind the outlet plate cover as shown in the flash-forward...if I'm not mistaken.
Correct on the Ricin. That's why I think Walt goes back to get it so he can off Hank or Jesse with it...Hank would be my best guess.
Jesse has vanished through the first half of the episode.
Walt is for some reason semi-defending Jesse.
Skyler wants Jesse dead...and the plot thickens!
Uh oh. Has the hit to kill Jesse been put in. This is gonna be good!
Figured Jesse would rat on Walt, but it will be interesting to see how the hit turns out. I think Walt will have to help Todd with the product to get his support and help from his uncle. Walt will need to start thinking about fleeing the country soon.
Ok I have watched every episode, and I remember thinking the ricin would be back in play after walt hid it in the outlet, but it's been a few years so I would appreciate a quick reminder:
What were they initially using the ricin for? I'm sure it was to kill someone, but I can't remember who. Does that go all the way back to Tuco?
Why did Walt feel the need to steal the ricin from Jesse? I think it was part of him trying to convince jesse that Gus had stolen it to poison brock? But I can't remember....
Appreciate the reminders from anyone who has seen the first few seasons more recently
After reviewing this stuff on wikipedia, I was actually a little disappointed and this creates a huge plot hole in the show IMO (which I love by the way, one of my top 3 favorites of all time). There's no reason at all Jessie should be able to notice the missing cigarette and suddenly realize Walt's involvement in the brock situation:
a) Remember Jessie was released from prison because Brock was poisoned by Lilly of the Valley, not Ricin, so why would a missing cigarette containing ricin make him suspect Walt?
b) If he was under the impression Gus had poisoned brock (which he was) why would the missing cigarette suddenly make him suspect walt? Gus could have stolen the cigarette just as easily.
c) I still don't understand why Walt stole the cigarette back? There seems to be no motive to it.
They were going to poison Tuco with ricin, but he was warned away from eating the tainted sandwich by the dinging bell. The second batch of ricin was cooked up because Walt figured he was in a kill-or-be-killed situation with Gus, and Jesse had the ability to get close enough to him to poison him.
The idea behind stealing the ricin was so Walt could plausibly blame the poisoning of Brock on Gus (reason being that Gus had used kids before as pawns, whereas Walt obviously "would never hurt a child"). When it came out that Brock was not actually poisoned with ricin, Jesse was worried again, since now he assumed that instead of it being stolen by Gus's henchman, he had just lost the cigarette (he was only slightly bothered by learning that this meant Gus had been killed under false pretenses). That's when Walt planted the fake cigarette, to tie up that one loose end. Or so he thought.
ah that sort of makes sense. So if I'm following correctly, Jessie didn't realize it was Walt because of a missing cigarette, but instead because a cigarette that should have been missing had been replaced? (After Gus's death, showing it was set up by Walt). Is that the correct interpretation?
What a great episode. I don't get how they could hold Walt with still no evidence, but that doesn't matter too much now. Start of next week will be epic.
I'm sure They Recorded everything he said on the phone. Essentially a confession.
If they're dead, they won't be able to show anyone that confession lol
Even if they found the cash, it's not evidence of drug dealing, though I guess tax evasion would be brought up.
I'd have to rewatch to see what exactly he said and what could have been used as "evidence" if it was recorded. Even then, he wasn't under oath so a "recorded conversation" would probably be thrown out as he could claim he was lying. I was thinking Saul would get him off until Todd and company showed up.
Ha I knew exactly what was going to happen once Todd's uncle wrote the coordinates on his hand!
Talk about a cliffhanger. The last three episodes are going to be awesome.
It's going to really upset me if Hank gets killed...
At this point I'm just rooting for Walt at any means, even if Hank has to get killed.
Although I do think Walt "gets out." But I think he is faking his cancer being back. My theory is that he stages his own death and leaves the money to his family, but the ultimate irony is that he is forced to leave his family behind in order for that to happen, thus losing everything that he worked so hard to protect. I don't think they will kill Jesse, but not sure what might happen to him.
I don't think that he's faking the cancer as he's coughing while walking on the rocks just like he used to in season 2, who would he be faking to? the camera following him. It's funny how he still has something left in him for cancelling the hit even though he new it was going to take him down. Heisenberg would never put up with that
They also showed him in the hospital getting chemotherapy in episode one this year - so he's not faking it.
I want everyone to die, except for Walt. I want the final episode to look a lot like the Twisted Metal games with Walt laughing maniacally like Calypso, as he rains money behind the entire world burning.
I put the The, in The Ohio State Univeristy.
I am actually insulted as a viewer that those neo nazi guys didn't take out Hank and Gomez with one shot each. They were standing right out in the open for god's sake!
I was curious if its Lydia or The Vacuum Guy who gets Walt out and away from the mess. To me now its pretty clear that Lydia/Madrigal will be taking care of him to protect their business interests.
Unless both Hank and Gomez go down in the shooting there will be a massive manhunt for Walter. I have no doubt that Jack and his gang will get Walt away; its just a question of who of the three (Jesse, Hank, Gomez) survives the attack.
I think this is where Hank and Gomez die, and Jesse escapes. Walt will then most likely kill Jesse with the ricin, or possibly Lydia, and then use the M60 he bought at the Denny's on Uncle Jack and his gang. Just my guess.
That's a pretty cool perspective. It would make sense that Hank and Gomez die there; I actually thought the shooting went on a little too long to be believable. Unless Jack and his gang are Harry from Dumb and Dumber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3UMKo0Lyd4) Hank and Gomez will be shredded cheese at this point.
I also forgot about the M60. Do you think that Jack and his gang take Walt's money assuming they knock off Hank and Gomez?
So much agreed. Was a "Malibu's Most Wanted" shootout up in there. About 400 rounds fired and nobody hit.
What I don't understand is, if Hank dies, what does Marie do? She might take the CD with Walt's "confession" to the DEA, or she might go insane and try to hurt Walt or Walt's family, very nice episode, although they should've ended it when the shootout begun, they had unlimited ammo and worse accuracy than Bauserman....
I love this potential plot angle. Maybe she attempts to poison Walt (she was mumbling something about a form of shellfish poisioning to her psychiatrist) and accidently takes out Skyler, Junior, and the baby?
Then, Walt takes out all of his remaining drug-world enemies with a full on frontal assault with the M60, and after accomplishing that task he tracks down Marie (who has fled into some sort of witness protection program) and poisons her with the ricin.
...and then dies from cancer.
Damn, that was an incredible episode. My only minor complaint would be the A-Team style gunfight. A pistol and a shotgun vs semi-automatic weapons is a bit of a mismatch and lasted far longer than it should have without anyone taking a bullet...so far.
I think Hank is a goner. If he doesn't get killed in the gunfight, he'll be killed soon one way or another. His call to Marie and the "I might be a while. I love you." line sealed his fate. I think Gomie dies in the gunfight for sure. Jesse most likely slips away, but I don't believe he'll suevive the season.
That gunfight was horribly shot. You had a pump shotgun and a semi-automatic handgun up against a M4, BAR, AA-12 and several semi-automatic handguns. Hank and Gomez should have had more holes in them than Swiss cheese.
No way Hank and Gomez get out alive. Not sure about Jesse though. I'm wondering if since Hank is dead and there is nothing connecting Walt to Heisenberg, maybe he lets Jesse live? I think Jesse will probably die but I don't think now is his time. Marie is the wild card here too, because she knows Walt is in custody. If Hank ends up dead, she knows with certainty that Walt was responsible.
Damn, next Sunday can't come soon enough.
Fantastic episode last night. Unreal that there is three episodes left. I think, along with many of you, that Hank and Gomez are done after the gunfight. Jesse and Walt will both still be alive and then Uncle Jack will start to put pressure on them. They want a cook and both Jesse and Walt could do it for them. Uncle Jack will want to kill Jesse but I think Walt will stop them. Either by agreeing to cook for them again or paying them off with the millions of dollars they are currently standing on.
I am still wondering what Lydia's backstory is. I think the ricin will be for her but I don't know when the turn will happen. I also still think the machine gun is for Uncle Jack (perhaps to free Jesse from being their cook?). While I think the DEA will be searching for Hank and Gomez in reality they know nothing of this investigation. Hank has kept it from everyone but Gomez so maybe it takes a while for any red flags to come up with Walt.
However at some point in time somebody (I mean the general public) is going to find out about Walt. The flash forward had the neighbor freaked out and Heisenberg painted on his wall. I think Marie sends the CD out and starts a manhunt for Walt/Jesse. I am starting to think Jesse and Walt team up again to go after everyone but then again who knows with this show. Overall, who knows what is going to happen but I can't imagine how they are going to wrap all of this up in three episodes.
I agree, I think Walt spares Jesse...this time. I can't see them teaming up again, or at least not with Jesse's consent. If they do it will be against his will.
I'm not so certain Walt will spare Jesse at this point. I think after seeing him rat him out to the one person he thought he never would has pushed Walt over the edge.
They really seemed to make a point about Todd's infatuation with Lydia. I figure Todd must have notified her before they headed into the desert and somehow she is going to play into this.
I definitely get what you are saying but I think now that Hank and Gomez are gone (the only authorities to know of Jesse and Walt) there isn't as much of pull to kill Jesse. Uncle Jack is going to want something in return for saving Walt and maybe in the immediate he turns Jesse over to them to cook.
If Hank gets shot-up (which he probably should due to the firepower Uncle Jack & posse have), I wonder what Walt's reaction will be. He told Uncle Jack not to come. He tryed to warn Hank when they showed up in the dessert and he was yelling "it's off" to Uncle Jack. Hmmm.
Gomey is a goner.
At this point, I don't think Walt really cares what happens to Jesse after he has learned about his snitching.
Last 3 episodes should be pretty frickin' epic!
Please god, let anyone but Walt win. I'm with Jesse on this, Mr. White can't keep getting away with it. I really don't see him as the ruthless mastermind. I think his true self is the guy who fled out into the desert in a panic to protect his money, not realizing that Jesse could outsmart him. His true self is the guy who was freaking out under the house trying to find enough money to have that guy relocate his entire family when he knew Gus was coming after him, but Skylar gave the money to her old boss. Walt is the coward, in my opinion. He killed Mike out of shear luck and desperation. He was clever in killing Gus, but Gus had repeatedly outplayed him to that point. Walt wants to be Heisenberg and can manage to bluff his way through things, but at the end of the day, he doesn't have what it takes to be Gus or the Uncle or whoever.
That said, and much to my dismay, I see him escaping this situation. I don't see how Hank could possibly survive. I think it's clear that Jesse gets away. They were sort of hinting that he was looking to bail out of the car. No way both Hank and Jesse die now when there are three more episodes left. The show is basically Walt, Jesse, and Hank. The story just wouldn't be that interesting without at least two of them. Gomie is dead for sure. I'm holding out hope that perhaps Walt brokers some sort of cease fire and gets Hank out of this alive, but I'm not sure where the story could logically go after that. There is no way Hank will stop pursuing Walt and Walt knows this. Oh man, I'm dreading next Sunday. For all his ego-driven flaws, I admired Hank's relentless pursuit of Heisenberg, especially after he found out it was his brother-in-law. And I loved that Jesse and Hank joined forces. Now Hank will be gone and Walt will live to see another day. Damn you life. You are so unfair.
Sorry for the long post. I just watched the episode last night and have been obsessed since. Now I'm going to find some other BB fan site and vent some more.
I think it's possible Walt somehow saves/spares hank, and in return hank gives him the option of leaving town (hence he doesn't end up in jail, but his house is still foreclosed)
I think Walt gets the ricin for himself. I just have a feeling he ends up taking his own life, since he knows he's going to die anyway. Remember, Walt is all about controlling the situation, I would assume he'd like to feel control in how he dies.
shootout>walt wins>walt takes ricin
Remember, in (what I believe was) the first episode, Walt was going to shoot himself once he had been caught, but the gun was out of bullets had the safety on.
I think Hanks Spanish friend/co-worker Gomie is going to get killed in this gun fight & I think Todd will get killed too...Walt will then be forced to cook again somehow as a way to spare Hank & because Todd will be dead - Walt will have to cook because there's no one else who can...
As an aside, it's pretty damn amazing that this is the 6th year of this show & that may have been the best episode yet! The brilliance of this show never ceases to amaze me.
Spin-off is happening.
As I've been saying, Lydia is the key to all of this. Without her, Uncle Nazi and his bunch would not have a customer...she is the brains of the new operation. Always follow the cash flow!
I think all 3 of Walts enemies die...leaving Uncle Nazi in control of Walt...forcing him to cook. Uncle Nazi will threaten Walt's family, setting the final battles between Walt and the skinheads. In the end, everyone in his family dies and Walt is alone to die all by himself.
I think that now that Machine gun is meant to take out the Nazi's and the Ricin is either going to be used as a suicide pill or to use against lydia, he already had the ricin in the cafe (under his hat) before Lydia brought up the Czech Republic. I'm def excited to see how it all unravals!
That takes care of hank.
Nazi's spurn lydia now that they have money, Walt teams up with Lydia to take down the nazi's?
I still don't understand, he must get caught somehow because his neighbor is scared of him in the flash forward.
unless skylar spills some beans right here...
It is amazing how this show can keep up the intensity on such a continuous basis.
This is too intense.
M60 is definitely for Uncle Jack et. al. Ricin... I'm not sure. All I know is I want Jesse to live.
starting to think the Ricin may be for Walt!
Best episode I've ever seen. Can't wait for the last two! Done with predictions, just going to enjoy the ride!
Wow! Balls and titties that was awesome! Pardon my French.
Incredible episode. What a fitting farewell to Hank, though I was saddened to see him go. His last quote was spectacular! I can't even fathom what's coming in the next two episodes, there are so many possible routes it can go. Ugh. Hate seeing this show end, but glad they're doing it right.
"The name is ASAC Schrader, and you can go f#ck yourself!" That was some pretty trill shit from Hank.
Welp, I'm going to be depressed for the next week. This is sort of how i feel after the Bucks lose. I hate that Hank is dead but I applaud Vince Gilligan for ending last week's episode the way he did. I was at least able to prepare myself that Hank wasn't going to make it out if this, though I was somewhat hopeful there for a little while. But Hank went out like a boss. At least there's that.
Is anyone still rooting for Walt? He showed exactly what he is in tonight's episode. There is nothing good about him. Everything he does, he does to spare himself or his conscious. Trying to broker a deal for Hank was about him, not about Hank. He didn't want to live with the guilt, not to mention knowing that he would lose Skylar and his family forever once she found out (which has now happened).
Jesse is the only one I care about at this point. I have no delusions that he will survive and live happily ever after. He's been willing to sacrifice himself for a long time now. He will die but I'm hoping that it won't be in vain. Maybe he blows up the meth lab and takes a few racist POSs with him.
I'm rooting for Walt.
I don't feel like writing a lot, but I think about it like this. Walt never tried to get to the place where he is. Because of certain messes that occurred around him, either caused by Jesse being a moron, or Tuco's insanity, or Gus' ulterior motives, Walt had to figure out ways to protect himself while supporting his family. Over time it seems he's felt the need to control more, become more of a criminal, so things can play out the way he wanted them, but in the process it's made him more of a "bad guy" in many people's eyes. Remember the first cook they had, or second (I don't remember), within a few days he was killing someone in the basement, only after a deal went sour in the desert and he was threatened with his life.
He obviously felt like he had something to prove given his missed opportunity with his former company, but because things continued to spiral out of control, he was essentially forced into becoming a more malicious person to protect himself and his family.
If you ever read the book A Simple Plan, that's pretty much the moral--you talk yourself into doing "just this one little wrong thing" in order to come out on the other end with millions of dollars, but that wrong thing leads to another, which leads to another, and before you know it you're killing literally innocent people and persuading yourself it makes perfect sense.
I think if the Walt of the pilot could see what became of him in the end morally, he'd be horrified. Now that's he's lost it all, I wonder if he'll have that reckoning with himself. I kind of doubt it.
Disagree, Walt had a few opportunities to retire, but chose to build an empire.
Fell asleep early last night & just watched now....HOLY SHIT.
I still find myself rooting for Walt, probably because of the delusional state that he is in. I think he really does BELIEVE that he is doing the correct moral, but his moral compass is so warped at this point no one can make sense of it.
He has pretty much lost everything at this point. Family is gone forever and everything he worked for is gone too; minus the 11 million. Revenge and or redemption are all that's left.
Last night was one of the best hours of television I have ever seen. So much was packed into that episode but it felt like it was only 15 minutes long. I was on the edge of my couch most of the time repeatedly saying holy shit holy shit holy shit throughout the episode. These next two episodes are going to be unreal I have a feeling.
I'm not even going to make any final predictions because they are probably pointless. I will say that I still think Walt will die at some point in time but I no longer have any clue as to how or by whom.
It's amazing that as high as my expectations are for this show, somehow it keeps exceeding them anyway.
Didn't foresee Walt not only allowing Jesse to be caught, but being perfectly willing to see him die in front of him. I guess he sees what Jesse did as totally unforgivable, whereas Hank was not only family, but just doing his job. When you think about it, if Jesse takes the van ride out of town, nothing we saw this last 3 weeks would have happened, because I think Hank was pretty well neutralized by Walt's "confession."
Still wondering what the event is that brings Walt back to Albuquerque. It might have something to do with the rest of his family being harmed. I don't think Marie knows anything about the Aryans, but she knows who Jesse is, and if she starts talking--say, she makes a public statement for Jesse to come forward with everything he knows about what happened to Hank--the Aryans could get nervous. And I am assuming here that the Whites will be moving in with Marie.
Just watched it now. Wow. Walt is officially a monster at this point. There is no way to defend him. It hasn't been about his family for a while now. His phone call with Skylar proved that.
I'm glad Saul's guy finally got a chance to pick someone up.
1. "At this point"? He's been a monster for quite some time.
2. His phone call with Skyler was an attempt to absolve her. He knows the authorities will hear what he is saying, and he is attempting to make sure all of the blame is on him, not her, presumably so his kids will have at least one parent around after he disappears.
agreed. I think he had to be super harsh with her to make sure that all ties were cut as well. I feel like he was trying to make his feelings go away before he left
Definitely was meant to get her cleared, but also was a message. Why couldn't you just obey and everything would have been fine, his goal was always to keep the family together even when completely offtrack that was always on his mind.
Exactly! I am so surprised at how many people had the phone call go over their heads.
I saw countless tweets about how the phone call was proof Walt is a total evil monster, when clearly it was a calculated move to save skylar. He said she was always trying to stop him (when in fact she's been helping him smuggle money for the last 2 seasons and even gave a kill command this season). He was falling on his sword and saving skylar from any possible suspicion from the police. You could see how hard it was for him as he was crying during the conversation. Skylar knew what he was doing too, which is why she tearfully said "I'm sorry" during the conversation.
For the first half of season 5, Walt was a monster. In this second half (ie after he "got out") he's actually been not so bad. I just can't believe how many people are saying the phone call was the tipping point of his transformation when actually it was probably the most selfless thing he's done in a while.
Walt definitely was trying to protect Skyler with that phone call, but it was more than just that. We know Walt has an outsized ego, and a lot of insecurities about other people not viewing the way he does himself. He channeled all those feelings and emotions in that phone call. The call served Walt's purpose because what he said was authentic. He let fly things he had wanted to say to Skyler for a long time, but kept repressed because he knew it wasn't in his interest to do so.
This time, the incentive was reversed
There really isn't any way to defend Walt other than being partially sympathetic and seeing his limited options he has. We have seen him take all the small steps to get to where he is, and his redeeming quality is that his initial reasoning was noble. Though he deviated from that path over the course of the series.
The phone call was pretty obviously a way to exonerate Skylar and Jr. He is very out of character in his tone and even name calling. This had to tip her off to what he was doing. Though the police just see an angry man calling and berating his wife, I think she understands what is happening in real time and even has some sympathy for him as well.
In any event, the show has been a great ride and I think we will all be grateful for the compelling conclusion to a beloved series.
In my opinion there are a few really key moments in the series where different people will fall off the Walt band wagon in different places
Walt's decision to sell meth- I think just about everyone was ok with him doing this. I am sure there are some people who would find this to be morally wrong (but those people probably don't watch the show haha). His intentions were clearly good at this point.
Walt's first few kills (including krazy 8)- All of these were in self defense, so I think most people forgave him for these sins. There might be a few out there, but I think at this point the overwhelming majority were still on board with Walt.
Walt allows Jane to die - This is the first time Walt allows someone to die, who wasn't an immediate threat to his safety. (And in my opinion perhaps the most important part of the show). She had threatened to expose him, so I suppose you could say this was also self defense, in a way, and there's some philosophical questions as to whether letting someone die is the same as killing her, but overall I'm sure Walt lost some supporters here.
Walt kills dealers before Jessie can - He killed two people who weren't threatening him, but it was probably one of the more selfless things he does in the whole series, as he kills these men to save Jessie, although it drastically worsens his situation. I don't think anyone who was supporting Walt to this point changed their view point here.
Walt gives the Gale kill command - This is another tricky one. It's pretty evil to wish a completely innocent friend death, and to force another friend to do it. However, if Walt does not do this, he's dead. It was a total him or me situation. I'm sure Walt lost some followers here, because Gale was such a popular character, but I think you could still defend his actions to this point.
Walt poisons Brock - Another very tricky one. Remember, Walt was in a war with Gus, one where he was surely outmatched. He was as good as dead, in fact, Jessie himself was going to kill him in his living room. The Brock move was, to a degree, in self defense. If you believe he gave him only enough poison to make him sick, it's still a very morally questionable act, but making someone sick in exchange for your own life seems defensible. I'm sure involving children crossed a line for many, though.
Walt kills Salamanca and Gus- Gus was one of my favorite TV characters of all time, but even I had to stand at applaud at the season 4 finale. I don't think Walt lost any fans for killing his two biggest enemies who were huge drug lords.
*at this point, I'm still with Walt. All of these moves were some form of self defense or had a noble enough cause*
Walt chooses to stay in the business, post Gus - Here's where things get shady. This is the first move Walt makes that is completely motivated by ego and greed. He has enough money (way, way more than he originally calculated he would need), there is no threat to him or his loved ones. If he walks away here, I think most people end the show feeling pretty good about Walt. This is the turning point in my opinion, Walt is now driven by ego/greed rather than providing for his family.
Walt kills Mike- I think Walt lost a huge amount of people here. Not only because Mike was a very popular character, but Walt killed him for almost no reason. It was purely an ego thing. This one was bad.
Walt gives the kill command on witnesses- This one he kind of had to do. If those ten people live, he probably goes to jail. Still, giving the command to kill ten people is pretty heavy stuff.
*Walt gets out*
Walt gives kill command on Jesse- I think a lot of people are pretty pissed about this, but in this case Jesse did kind of cast the first stone. Walt gave Jesse a lot of outs, but Jesse made himself an enemy by going to Hank.
Walt unintentionally summons the Nazi's who kill Hank- I actually don't fault Walt too much on this one. He tried desperately to save Hank.
Walt unloads on Jesse - not only does Walt give the Nazi's permission to kill Jessie, he also admits that he killed Jane. This was a pretty emotional move that was only meant to inflict pain.
Walt steals Holley- in the moment this was pretty bad. But Walt actually has an epiphany immediately afterward, while changing her diaper, that he has actually been hurting his family, and then gives himself up to save them, and returns Holley, so this one is pretty forgivable.
All in all, I think you can actually make a case for Walt BESIDES the first half of season five. That was the 10% of the series where he was completely motivated by greed and ego and did a lot of bad things. I think the other 90% were fairly defensible reactions to things that were beyond his control, and a result of his initial decision. (But IMO that's the whole point of the show. One small immoral decision, however noble the intent, can quickly spiral out of your control and turn into a huge freaking mess)
He's been a self-obsessed monster almost the whole time.
Walt chooses to stay in the business, post Gus - Here's where things get shady. This is the first move Walt makes that is completely motivated by ego and greed.
Walt chooses to stay in the business, post Gus - Here's where things get shady. This is the first move Walt makes that is completely motivated by ego and greed.
False. In season one, Elliott, his old partner at Gray Matter, offers to give him a job and help pay for his cancer treatment. Walt declines and decides to continue cooking meth. He was given an out and decided to keep being a criminal purely (or almost entirely - there's still some question about his relationship with Gretchen) out of pride and hubris. FWIW, this is the moment creator Vince Gilligan refers to as the point where Walt chose crime over legitimacy and became basically unredeemable. It made it clear that his intentions were never "good," but rather to prove his intellectual superiority over those who he believed had wronged him (including his wife).
In season two his cancer goes into remission. He continues cooking.
Now, beyond this point, in spite of the myriad horrible things he did, it was possible to "root for" Walt, in the sense that you were rooting for the main character of a TV show not to get defeated by antagonists simply so the show would continue (I was among these people - horrified by Walt but excited to see how he would weasel his way out of tough situations - up until the end of season 4, when his primary antagonist, Gus, was eliminated). But the show's not continuing. People who are still supporting this vile, hubristic, despicable man really kind of creep me out and make me sad. Especially people who were rooting for him to defeat Hank, who was introduced as a goofball but who turned out to be a good cop, basically decent human being, and excellent detective trying to get the blue meth off the streets.
People who think Walt is redeemable at this point are borderline crazy. He has committed too many crimes and ruined too many lives. He can take some actions to try to mitigate the enormous damage he's done, but the dude's a monster.
That is an important point I forgot to mention. Thanks for including that. It really does make his initial decision to go in much less justifiable, and since everything was a result of that, everything else is much less justifiable also. His pride has always been his biggest flaw.
I guess call me crazy then, as I still find myself rooting for Walt. It is probably just a familiarity thing, at this point. I feel like I know him more than the other characters so I'm rooting for him more. I also like him the most because he is the most intelligent/cerebral type character, and I tend to like that character more. (I also liked Gus and Gale a lot). I also love bryan cranston which plays a role I'm sure. It's also all included within the frame that this is a TV show and not real life, so it really doesn't matter who I root for haha!
I think you have to be careful questioning peoples sanity based on which television show characters they enjoy lol.
I don't literally think that people who are still rooting for Walt are certifiably insane. But those people literally do creep me out.
lol fair enough. I hope I haven't lost you any sleep.
Walt Jr's breakfast of choice? Corn Pops, Bitch!
That's not Walt Jr, Bitch!
Uh, yeah... I know. I mentioned Junior because of his love of breakfast. It was a way to tie it into the show.
I don't normally watch Jimmy Fallon, but when I do it is because they did a Breaking Bad Parody! Has anyone seen this? I thought it was hilariously well done!
Hadn't seen this before. If you are a fan, watch it. Awesome. Just awesome.
I don't know why, but I will always be on Team Walt. Maybe because it's as if I feel like I grew up with him and that deep down he will always be a good man (through the first 3 seasons where he was still pretty innocent). I also felt so much pity for the man.
One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is that Walt was willing to give up his 80 million in order to save Hank. As bad as he is, there is still something redeemable somewhere in there. That wasn't an empty gesture...
I'm firmly in the anti-Walt camp and while I was struck by this moment of selflessness, ultimately the ploy failed, Hank was dead, and Walt lost the money anyway. I think Hank said it best right then, Walt is the smartest person he knew, but too dumb to realize what was already in the works. This is why I can't take Walt as Heisenberg seriously. Walt is not a criminal mastermind. He is not a ruthless badass. I think he is clever and cunning and manipulative, but mostly just lucky. Yet, he wants to be the badass. If Heisenberg were real, the Aryans wouldn't have walked away with his money. Hank would probably still be dead, but Walt would not have been so stupid to lose the only thing he has cared about (since after about season 2 anyway). If Walt were really Heisenberg, he would never have ended up in the desert in the first place. I suppose you could argue that Walt being the hapless criminal sometimes is actually a redeeming quality and shows that he's not all bad all the time. But he's done too much evil to too many people to redeem himself at this point (in my opinion). Like I mentioned in a post above, as long as anyone but Walt wins, I'll be ok. If he does win, i may never watch TV again.
If he does win, i may never watch TV again.
If he does win, i may never watch TV again.
I hope this is hyperbole, yes Walt is a meanie, but it's a TV show, c'mon man...
William, some things I write are just too stupid to even require the sarcasm font. Of course I'm joking. I will watch TV again...but I'll be mistrustful of all main characters from now on.
Disagree. Walt does have some humanity left, but that is something far different than anything redeemable.
His choices led directly to hank Dying, and Marie being widowed. His choices caused Jane to die, because it was in Walt's interest for her to be out of the picture. Walt destroyed his own family. What his motives were along the way means very little compared to the death and destruction he has wrought to everyone around him in his journey, as a direct result of the choices he made.
Is Walt truly evil deep down inside? That's kind of irrelevant at this point. What matters is Walt's choices led to unspeakable evil to be visited upon pretty much all those whom he crosses paths with. He saw first hand the consequences of his actions, yet repeatedly chose to make the same type of choices for his own selfish reasons.
There can be no redemption for Walt.
Not only that but his phone call to Skyler, after he took the baby, was really meant for the police to hear that Skyler wasn't involved. Walt kept saying he warned her what he was going to do if she crossed him and that it was all him, he was the mastermind or whatever.
Just watched it and wow. We still need to end the show with:
Should be a good end to the season. I do think the one lady responsible for moving the methlomine will come into play at the end of the season....
When Breaking Bad alludes to something, it happens more often than not. At the end of this episode, Walt shared that Hank was dead and threatened the rest of his family. I'm thinking Marie, Skylar, or both end up dead in the last two episodes. Walt, despite being on the run, will contaminate food or drink with some ricin, which one of the ladies will later consume. However, the baby will also have a sip/bite, sadly killing her.
Walt Jr won't be able to cope with all this mayhem and he will turn to meth to escape from his problems. He will quickly develop an addiction.
Walt knows it's over and he needs out, so like always he will find a way to have Lydia and the prison gang murdered and disposed of. We are just barely starting to think it might work out for this monster...
He walks into Saul's office in the final scene of the show. He wants to inquire about the "vacuum cleaner" new identity guy. Saul makes the call and gets everything ready. Then, he calmly pulls out a gun and shoots Walt right between the eyes. The new identity was for him. This show will go down as one of the most amazing Tragedies in performance art history.
Just my 2 cents.
If Walt already has a new identity, why would he go back to Saul for another one?
Because his new identity will have racked up a few homicide charges in the ABQ area.
OR Saul calls him and says it's urgent so and so went wrong money issues whatever, he just gets him in there.
Walt has already called the vacuum cleaner guy.
No way. Walt will not intentionally harm his family. I actually think he'll be trying to defend them throughout the last 2 episodes.
and when he "threatened" his family, he was doing it so the police would not suspect skylar. He was not actually threatening them.
No way man. Walt is a genius and knew the police would be listening in when he called Skyler. All that mean stuff he said to her was just to alleviate the blame from Skyler despite her complicity.
After having watched that episode, the M60 is of course going to be for Uncle Jack ad the Neo-Nazis, and I think that the ricin will be for Walt. What Walt does with the $10-$11 million, I have no idea.
Walt won't kill himself. It would be completely against his character up to this point. I think Walt dies at the end, but not from his own hand. Saul doing it makes sense, but Saul doesn't seem to be comfortable using a fire arm.
He already tried to kill himself in the first episode...
You're right, but that was before the "success" of the Blue stuff. His ego is to big to kill himself now. He'll die at the end. Vince Gilligan confirmed it on a talk show about a year ago. He then said "spoiler alert". I just don't think Walt will kill himself. My guess will be Jesse. Or Hanks Zombie corpse.
haha I guess we'll just have to wait and see! I actually think his ego is why he'll kill himself. He won't want to be taken in or "beaten". He sees the jig is up and wants to end it in a way he can control.
Funny how two different people can sight the same motive and come away with different results. This show is awesome!
Yeah, that is the nice thing about it. We just wait and see. The writers will blow our hair back no matter the outcome. This show is so awesome I can't believe it is coming to an end.
Maybe Walt Jr will shoot his dad? Cranston did say the show ends very unapologetically, in Breaking Bad fashion.
Notice where they have the bullet hole in Walt's reflection. I believe this is a hint to his end.
I thought the same thing when I saw it. I think it will come from Jesse, after Walt frees him from the Nazis. I can envision a scene where Walt has poisoned Lydia with the ricin and has killed the Nazi gang with the M60 freeing Jesse from servitude. As he and Jesse part ways and Walt walks away at the end of the episode to "ride off into the sunset" Pinkman picks up a gun and shoots Walt in the back of the head. The End.
Before all of this the other loose threads have been tied up. In my mind I believe Walt needs to live and be alone with his thoughts. Not dying only 6 months after Sunday's episode.
This could definitely happen, but Jesse was mortified of killing Walt's nerdy partner, and he is clearly horrified of Walt. He is just now standing up to him, but he saw one of his plans end in DEA Agent deaths. He would never pull a trigger and actually kill Walt.
If he is enslaved by the Nazis making meth for 6 months he could. Jesse sleeps in the pit and is chained to the dog run to make blue all day. It is Walt's fault he is in this situation. He hates Mr. White at this time, give him 6 months to let this fester. He'll kill him in a heart beat. "He can't keep getting away with it" Bitch.
In the end there will be some sort of "reconciliation" between the two after Jesse is freed. We will think all is said and done, nice and hunky dory. Walt will believe Jesse is back on his side and all is forgiven. Walt turns to walk away, takes a few steps and BANG! We see Walt fall over dead. The End.
Granted, I'm pulling this out of my ass, but it sounds like a Breaking Bad type ending. Walt finally gets his and Jesse, the moral compass for the show, gets to move on with his life. It'll be that or Walt and Jesse in a standoff with guns pointed at each others heads and as the screen fades to black we hear double gun shots.
Whatever it will be it will be good. We, as the audience, will feel like it was the right way to end it I'm sure. The writers and the cast members have all said it couldn't have ended any other way. I've trusted them this far, what's another 12 days.
Here are some predictions:
1. Walter takes the ricin, admits to everything and dies.
2. Jesse cooks one last time, makes the blue, everyone comes together in the lab to see what he made and blows them all up in an effort to save the girl and child.
3. Skyler gets away with everything and splits the money with her sister
Walt was saying all that stuff to Skyler at the end because he knew the cops were there listening and recording the conversation. He was still protecting his family. We wanted to have all the blame on him and none on Skyler. That's why he was crying when saying all those nasty things to her. Walt even though he seems like a monster is always 1 step ahead of everybody else. It just sucks that this show has to end.
Shhh...listen. Do you smell that?
Set a new series-record rating with 6.1 million viewers. The average so far is 102% ahead of season 5 part 1.
I'm wondering how far in the "future" the last two episodes are considering we know that Walt has a beard and a full head of hair. Also, his house has been roped off and abandoned for a seemingly long time.
I think we need to watch Walt Jr. From episode 1 I thought that kid was gonna do something f**king crazy. This would push a normal person WAY over the edge.
In my calculations it is between 6-9 months. We see he buys the gun on his 52nd birthday. I'm guessing it is the same day he goes to get the ricin from his house. The next two episodes need to cover a lot of ground fairly quickly to wrap this up. It's going t be a wild ride.
I noticed on Sunday while I was watching the end of Low Winter Sun waiting for Talking Bad to start the announcer said Low Winter starts next week at a special time 10:15. They have been showing commercials for BrBa starting at 9. I'm wondering if BrBa isn't a little longer for the next two weeks.
Given that this show has such a huge following on this site and among some of the staff even, I would love to see a Breaking Bad themed poll. I think the obvious question at this point would be are you rooting for or against Walt. We seem to be fairly split on this topic, but if I had to guess, more would be for Walt than against.
Great Idea, we have a few MOD's on this thread send them a msg and hopefully it'll be up on sunday.
Here's my question to all my fellow BB fans. Why is Walt so protective of Jesse? He had many opportunities where he could have let Jesse die or just be done with him period. Is it because he thinks of him like a son/family member? He never really like Jesse as his student and in the beginning he didn't like him as a partner. So what changed in Walt to be so protective of Jesse?
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Its a good question, and a complicated one as well. In my opinion its always been wrapped in Walt's distorted moral compass. Their relationship has always been poor, when Jesse was a student, when they first started cooking, when they worked for Gus, and now especially. I think that he sees Jesse as one of his own and wanted him to succeed as long as it's on his terms.
Only a few more hours!!!! Can't wait to see what goes down and what the lead in to the final chapter is going to be..What's everyone's predictions?
What did I just see? To me this last episode is going to be wild. How are they going to wrap this up in 75 minutes?. Walt has nothing left and his money is useless for his family. He's going to die in a blaze of glory. Is it the 29th yet?
That was the calm before the storm. Some crazy parts but not much with Walt yet... Next week is going to be wild.
I never thought Elliot and Gretchen were going to play a role in the end, but it seems they pissed Walt off. I think he will bring everyone down he thinks deserve it this finale is going to be good.
I think you could make a case, and we hinted at this in discussion last week, that one of the real motives for Walt "Breaking Bad" was to prove he could build his own empire, in spite of, or perhaps, in a way, to spite, Elliot. The fact that Elliot just belittled his contribution to that empire, after his own has utterly crumbled, well that was literally the worst possible thing Walt could hear at that moment.
Amc just said Low Winter Sun starts next week at 11:15. BrBa starts at 9. Will it be 2:15.
anyone watching low winter sun yet? Have all episodes on hold, but didn't want to get involved if it was a flop.
not 2:15, just 1:15. Talking bad is directly after BrBa next week and will be an hour long.
I'm afraid not. The finale will be over at 10:15, followed by a hour of Talking Bad. This accounts for the starting time of LWS. I wish it was two hours as it is going to be tough to tie everything up in such a comparatively short amount of time.
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