Probably, the Ultimate Non-Conference schedule.
Imagine...The Sex Pistols in..."The Bible Belt!"
Tour Schedule:
Jan. 5: Great Southeast Music Hall, Atlanta, Ga. Jan. 6: Taliesyn Ballroom, Memphis, Tenn.
Jan. 8: Randy’s Rodeo, San Antonio, Texas Jan. 9: Kingfish Club, Baton Rouge, La.
Jan. 10: Longhorn Ballroom, Dallas, Texas Jan. 12: Cain’s Ballroom, Tulsa, Okla.
http://jonmwessel.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/music-the-sex-pistols-america...
http://kut.org/2013/01/this-week-in-texas-music-history-sex-pistols-at-t...
Sex Pistols - Longhorn Ballroom - Dallas, TX - 10-01-78:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEPv-a8ZLc
I about half expect the Blues Brothers to show up any minute
Battles are sometimes won by generals; wars are nearly always won by sergeants and privates. Football is no different, the guys down in the trenches win the games, not the coach.
Their music was so politically incendiary towards the government of the United Kingdom that their overall nihilism was largely ignored. As big as the band was (at least in terms of controversy generated), in England, they just weren't as well-known here in the US. Probably made the band a lot easier to swallow in the bible belt, even with their provocative name.
A seminal band of the punk movement, though they've got nothing on the Clash.
They don't like sex, but they love pistols, so it all evens out
The Clash are not a punk band.
I'll give you that, but they emerged out of the same era, and managed to transcend the entire movement--hence why I lump them in.
It wasn't a legit movement. The Clash wanted to be a punk band...so did the sex pistols. But, this movement wasn't driven by music or ideology, it was driven by $$$. It was all about appearance. Hell, Sid Vicious couldn't even play an instrument. Green Day wants to be a punk band. They're not either, though they are at the front, just like the clash were.
I see what you're saying, and agree that the Sex Pistols were manufactured by Malcolm McLaren. But I think it's too easy to say that the Clash merely wanted to be a punk band, it's obvious that their roots are there, playing pissed-off songs rooted in their own political ideology ("White Riot"); but at the same time they were already experimenting with reggae ("Police and Theives"), dictating a large part of the direction that their sound would follow. Much like Green Day, their music continued to grow far beyond and outside the constraints of the genre. I wouldn't call London Calling or American Idiot "punk records", but I would say that they were recorded by punk bands, if that makes any sense. I'd also make the distinction that, almost from the start of Green Day's major-label career (1994's Dookie), they had established a pop-punk sound that's largely become their hallmark; contrast a song like "Basket Case" with "Janie Jones", and you can see that the Clash were a much harder band.
Besides, it's not like these are the only punk bands to experiment:
One thing that always made the whole punk movement ironic was that punk was originally about "whatever". No labels, no uniform, no rules, just pent up youth energy. However, by the time it got to the UK it was basically a movement with rules and a uniform. Completely against the original idea and the idea that bands were preaching.
The Clash started a punk band and grew from the mold. The Sex Pistols was a manufactured farce basically. Not to mention they could barely play their instruments. However, the had a shock factor about them. The Clash on the other hand was very talented musically and didn't need to resort to cheap thrills.
Very good points Hodge. Plus, one could argue that The Ramones were pretty much the originators of pop-punk. I mean there was not a ton of substance in most of their songs but they played fast, loud and very catchy tunes.
The Clash are absolutely a punk band. I am unsure of the criteria you are using. Of course, the Clash, much like the Pistols were imitations of a sound heard here the states. That doesn't change the fact that they were a punk band.
The Clash and The Sex Pistols were imitations period. Both bands were put together in order to sell an image. They're like the boy bands of the genre.
You have a better point with the Sex Pistols, but all of the members of the Clash were in other punk bands and it was suggested they get together (Joe Strummer in the 101ers but I cant remember the others). That doesn't make them a boy band. Did they start out imitating? Yes of course which is a very natural way for a band to start. However, the Clash had a sound unique to them. THey imitated and experimented with many sounds.
The Damned were also pieced together, but they were still awesome.
The Clash were like the boy bands of the genre? Please explain.
I thought the idea with a "boy band" concept is that a manager finds some good looking kids who can sing & dance but cannot play instruments and have them play catchy songs for prepubescent girls?
The Clash were relatively musically gifted and well-trained by the "standards" of the punk genre.
The state of Ohio was very influential in punk's formation. The Sex Pistols particularly imitated much of what Youngstown's Dead Boys did. Chrissy Hyde and later Devo were extremely influential. (there is a book that mentions this, I believe it is "Please Kill Me," the book mentions Malcom Mclerean being hopful that Ohio could be a model for what he could do in the UK).
Of course this was far before anything was happening with punk in the UK. Funny when people try to argue that punk started in the UK when that isn't even close to being true.
The New York Dolls, Blondie, Devo, and the Dead Boys were all around before the Sex Pistols.
Dead Boys, Sonic Reducer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Tb3DT-mjA
+1 Citrus. A lot of people actually consider Patti Smith's "Hey Joe / Piss Factory" as the first punk "album" (according to Wikipedia). I'm kind of surprised that no one mentioned the Dead Kennedy's or even The Misfits here yet. Also, (a few of my favs) Fear, The Exploited, Angry Samoans and Black Flag. A couple bands that started out as punk but turned out very different are the Beastie Boys and the Goo Goo Dolls (don't believe me? They opened up for bands like the Dead Milkmen and SNFU in Buffalo. YouTube their song Messed Up and Don't Beat My Ass (With a Baseball Bat) to hear for yourself[just don't do it at work unless you work at Gumby's or somewhere that let's you listen to punk at work]). Sorry this just kind of turned into a list of some of my favorite punk bands while leaving out many many great punk bands too.
Legs McNeil & John Holmstrom created "Punk magazine" a zine that featured a type of music that later became known as "punk rock." The Dictators were their early inspiration. As such, I give the title first punk band to the Dictators. OF course there are many that could have the title. New York Dolls, MC5, Iggy and the Stooges.
Seems the bands you listed were sorta second gen bands. I am a huge fan of all of them. I used to be in a punk rock band in C-bus from about 2000-2002 we did one or two covers per show. Every band you mentioned, we had covered (not goo goo dolls or beastie boys).
Did you know that Belinda Carlisle (Go-Gos) was the original drummer of the Germs? Of course Pat Schmear of the Foo Fighters was played guitar for the Germs.
I recommend this book for anyone who is interested in reading more about punk:
http://www.amazon.com/Please-Kill-Me-Uncensored-History/dp/0802142648
A Time Out and Daily News Top Ten Book of the Year upon its initial release, Please Kill Me is the first oral history of the most nihilist of all pop movements. Iggy Pop, Danny Fields, Dee Dee and Joey Ramone, Malcom McLaren, Jim Carroll, and scores of other famous and infamous punk figures lend their voices to this definitive account of that outrageous, explosive era. From its origins in the twilight years of Andy Warhol’s New York reign to its last gasps as eighties corporate rock, the phenomenon known as punk is scrutinized, eulogized, and idealized by the people who were there and who made it happen.
I couldn't agree more. I referenced it earlier. Extremely interesting.
Oops = i missed the earlier reference. Definitely a great book.
Brings back a lot of memories. I always thought that '77-79 was one of the best times ever for music - so many great bands, new music, etc. I was fortunate to see a lot of great bands back then, though i didnt see the Clash until their final tour in '82, opening up for the Who at the Pontiac Silverdome. I do think the Clash started out as a punk band and wasnt as contrived as the Sex Pistols. In any event, I was always a Ramones fan!
I'll have to check out that book. I've heard that before Iggy Pop, some of the major "proto-punk" influences were:
Velvet Underground
"Garage music" - for example, ? and the Mysterians, "96 Tears"
And, perhaps most emphatically, MC5. This video is amusing to me because several of the hippies in the crowd are jaw-droppingly bewildered by what they're seeing & hearing:
Yes love me some MC5. From the famous "White Panther PArty"
PO'd ya for that one!
Some have cited The Who as the progenitors of punk.
MC5 hell yes!!!!!!!!!!! By the way I think the famous beginning part of that song is one of the first times the F-word was uttered in a song.
Seriously, think about being at a show as a hippie at this time and hearing some dude scream KICK OUT THE JAMS MOTHERF%&KERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd probably think I ate the brown acid.
Music is definitely one of the things I have to give TSUN. The Motorcity has produced some great stuff.
Wow, this is quite a discussion about the origins of "Punk". I love it!
+1 a very good read!
Citrus, I like a lot of different punk, even some of the prog-punk bands from about ten years ago like Refused and At the Drive-In, but I'd say that second wave was probably my fav over all. A lot of the bands, especially MC5 that you mentioned, were big influences on one of my all time favorite bands RATM and one of the best shows I've ever seen!
I knew Pat was in the Germs but didn't realize that Carlisle we the original drummer. It was kind of nice to see Grohl bring Smear along with him from Nirvana when he finally brought other musicians into Foo Fighters. Did you see that the three living members of Nirvana have recently been playing with Paul Mcartney and are even the idea of recording new material (as Nirvana, Paul McCartney Feat. Nirvana or with a different name): KRIST NOVOSELIC & PAT SMEAR DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF NIRVANA RECORDING MORE NEW MATERIAL. I think I'd rather them use an approach like Audioslave did with the name (or even Them Crooked Vultures when Grohl took part in that super group) rather then what Alice in Chains did and keep the name, however I don't really care that much as I like bands like the Melvins from that area way more (even though they have a lot of Nirvana ties and Buzz even introduced the guys in Nirvana).
If you're that big of a fan of Punk (and Pat Smear[pretty influential musician being in the Germs, Nirvana and Foo Fighters) I'm sure you've seen The Decline of Western Civilization (Part I). I've watched Part I & II many times. If others on here haven't seen it and like punk, check it out!
The "New Nirvana"?!:
The new Nirvana idea is extremely interesting.
I too liked ATD.
This is pretty embarrassing but, I am going to link a minidoc about my old band. I know its funny because I get embarrassed when I watch it. I think you'll find it amusing. I guess you'll be left to wonder which member of the band I am. This was 10 years ago and NSFW
http://youtu.be/F1pDJCz5_Mc
+1MILLION!!! That video is amazing! Thank you for sharing! I actually meant to ask you the name of your band, but forgot to. I don't think I got to see you guys. I had a lot of friends that played in the Hardcore/Straight Edge scene around that time and even a little punk, but I can't recall seeing you guys and I think I'd remember. That's a shame! I made a similar drive as you guys did twice. One from Columbus to Memphis on or way to SXSW in 2001 and once from Columbus to Manchester, TN for Bonnaroo 2003. I also recently encountered weather like you guys did only it caused us to cancel our show at Whisky A Go-Go just a couple months ago! I was so bummed!!!
Black Flag. Great logo:
Braxton Miller. Great Buckeye:
Buckeye PARTY TONIGHT!!!!!
We've got nuthin' better to do, then watch the Bucks and have a couple of brews
All the buck nuts are gonna hang out here tonight! Alright!
Chrissy Hynde*. Gotta represent my alma mater
Haha thanks. You represent it well.
Sounds like a few people watched The Great Rock n Roll Swindle and skipped The Filth and the Fury. If The Sex Pistols aren't a punk band, there never was one, and maybe there never was.
Haha I thought the same thing. The latter is much more credible.